Exploring Bahaism

[Techno2000]

we Submit to Gods Word and His Laws.

So, do you submit to the Laws of the past Manifestations: Abraham, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Buddha, Jesus Christ, Muhammad and the Báb or has all their laws have been nullified by the new laws of Bahá’u’lláh ?

 

[TonyBS]

So, do you submit to the Laws of the past Manifestations: Abraham, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Buddha, Jesus Christ, Muhammad and the Báb or has all their laws have been nullified by the new laws of Bahá’u’lláh ?

The Spiritual Laws are consistent and do not change, we are reminded.of them again and shown how to practice them. Some social laws are changed applicable for the age and we practice them as instructed.

Fasting is one of those that can be mentioned as you take on Lent. Baha’u’llah message embraces the planet, so the Fasting law has been given so it balances the way it is pracriced. The Baha’i Fast will commence in early March and run for19 days. I see it as a good balance between the Fasts undertaken for Faith.

Regards Tony

 

[dolphinlove]

Every Catholic Church I have visited (and I have visited a few), the church priest has stated that he can see the Holy Spirit is very much alive and well among the Baha’is and working through us to such an extent it is tangible by him.

Every church…

Yesterday I had some of the local Catholic church youth come to visit the Baha’i Centre. They all said that the work of the Baha’is is inspired by the Holy Spirit and wanted to collaborate with us in our work in the community…

That’s good enough for me

Same Authority Jimmy

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I find this a bit hard to believe. They are just being nice I think. I’ll clarify this the next time bishop Fisher is at our youth group talk. Catholic youth really wouldn’t know much about Baha’i for starters as its really not well known in oz. You have one, maybe 2 places in Sydney that I know of & when I do rarely drive past it with friends in the car, the question is what’s that place, I tell them Baha’i place of worship, followed by, what are Baha’i?

 

[jeffrey_erwin]

I take issue with the development, building, and deployment of nuclear weapons. (I have posted many times that such will come to no good.) But I notice that very few churches , Christian or otherwise, have any protocols against their members engaging in the above mentioned nuclear weapons activities.

Do Baha’is serve in the military? If so, do they serve on SSNBs, or at ICBM launch sites, or on aircraft that are carrying nuclear weapons? And how about working in factories that are designing or building these weapons?

I have suggested that Christian Churches institute the same protocols in regards to nuclear weapons as the Catholic Church has in place on abortion. I get little or no agreement on this idea. Can the Baha’i Faith do any better?

 

[JimmyDFG]

The Spiritual Laws are consistent and do not change, we are reminded.of them again and shown how to practice them. Some social laws are changed applicable for the age and we practice them as instructed.

Fasting is one of those that can be mentioned as you take on Lent. Baha’u’llah message embraces the planet, so the Fasting law has been given so it balances the way it is pracriced. The Baha’i Fast will commence in early March and run for19 days. I see it as a good balance between the Fasts undertaken for Faith.

Regards Tony

Spiritual laws between Krishna, Buddha and Moses are totally different. Do the Baha’i believe Gods word is that weak its needs replenishment or a new manifestation because time goes on?
All Sacred Scripture is but one book, and this one book is Christ, “because all divine Scripture speaks of Christ, and all divine Scripture is fulfilled in Christ”

 

[TonyBS]

I take issue with the development, building, and deployment of nuclear weapons. (I have posted many times that such will come to no good.) But I notice that very few churches , Christian or otherwise, have any protocols against their members engaging in the above mentioned nuclear weapons activities.

Do Baha’is serve in the military? If so, do they serve on SSNBs, or at ICBM launch sites, or on aircraft that are carrying nuclear weapons? And how about working in factories that are designing or building these weapons?

I have suggested that Christian Churches institute the same protocols in regards to nuclear weapons as the Catholic Church has in place on abortion. I get little or no agreement on this idea. Can the Baha’i Faith do any better?

Jeffery - This is some of the guidance given;

1. Bahá’ís Cannot Voluntarily Enlist Where Subject to Taking Human Life

“Bahá’ís cannot voluntarily enlist in any branch of the Armed Forces where they would be subject to orders to engage in the taking of human life.”

(From a letter of the Universal House of Justice to the National Spiritual Assembly of the Fiji Islands, August 2, 1971)

1. Bahá’ís are not Conscientious Objectors

“Our position as Bahá’ís is not that we won’t obey our Government or support the country if attacked, it is that we do not believe in, or wish to take part in, killing our fellow-men. We are not conscientious objectors at all; we will serve, but wish, as there is a provision in the law in the U.S.A. covering our attitude, to be classified as non-combatants. If you need to consult on this matter, you should refer to the N.S.A., as this question continually arises, and they can give you advice which will be the most accurate and applicable to present conditions.”

(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual believer, July 15, 1952)

More at this Link - bahai.works/Lights_of_Guidance/Military_Service

Regards Tony

 

[TonyBS]

Spiritual laws between Krishna, Buddha and Moses are totally different. Do the Baha’i believe Gods word is that weak its needs replenishment or a new manifestation because time goes on?
All Sacred Scripture is but one book, and this one book is Christ, “because all divine Scripture speaks of Christ, and all divine Scripture is fulfilled in Christ”

The Bahá’í Writings describe the existence of two complementary aspects of divine law. The first refers to the universal, unchangeable spiritual laws which are animated by, and reflected in, all of God’s religions. The other concerns the laws which serve to order humanity’s social and spiritual life—laws which change according to the particular conditions and circumstances of the time.

bahai.org/beliefs/life-spirit/character-conduct/divine-law

An example of a Divine law would be the 'Golden Rule"

Regards Tony

 

[Techno2000]

The Bahá’í Writings describe the existence of two complementary aspects of divine law. The first refers to the universal, unchangeable spiritual laws which are animated by, and reflected in, all of God’s religions. The other concerns the laws which serve to order humanity’s social and spiritual life—laws which change according to the particular conditions and circumstances of the time.

bahai.org/beliefs/life-spirit/character-conduct/divine-law

An example of a Divine law would be the 'Golden Rule"

Regards Tony

Many of the laws of Bahá’u’lláh related to the social and spiritual life of the individual are found in the Kitáb-i-Aqdas. This book includes specific provisions related to obligatory prayer, fasting, marriage, inheritance, and the use of alcohol and drugs. In its pages, Bahá’u’lláh also abolishes the institution of priesthood, prohibits slavery, forbids asceticism and monasticism, denounces cruelty to animals, condemns backbiting, sets out the importance of engaging in some trade or profession, emphasizes the necessity of providing the means for the education of children, lays upon every person the duty of obedience to government, exhorts Bahá’ís to consort with the adherents of all religions in a spirit of amity, and underscores the importance of truthfulness, trustworthiness, hospitality, courtesy, forbearance, justice, and fairness.

bahai.org/beliefs/life-spirit/character-conduct/divine-law

 

[TonyBS]

Many of the laws of Bahá’u’lláh related to the social and spiritual life of the individual are found in the Kitáb-i-Aqdas. This book includes specific provisions related to obligatory prayer, fasting, marriage, inheritance, and the use of alcohol and drugs. In its pages, Bahá’u’lláh also abolishes the institution of priesthood, prohibits slavery, forbids asceticism and monasticism, denounces cruelty to animals, condemns backbiting, sets out the importance of engaging in some trade or profession, emphasizes the necessity of providing the means for the education of children, lays upon every person the duty of obedience to government, exhorts Bahá’ís to consort with the adherents of all religions in a spirit of amity, and underscores the importance of truthfulness, trustworthiness, hospitality, courtesy, forbearance, justice, and fairness.

bahai.org/beliefs/life-spirit/character-conduct/divine-law

This is applicable to the Baha’i faith, there is no priesthood in the Baha’i Faith.

This came about as at the forefront of the rejection of the Manifestations of God in the Past have been the Priests, as this continued with the Revelations of the Bab and of Baha’u’llah, from this institution power has been seized and replaced by a different system of Guidance to humanity.

This document explains - reference.bahai.org/en/t/se/PDC/pdc-21.html

Regards Tony

 

[Techno2000]

This is applicable to the Baha’i faith, there is no priesthood in the Baha’i Faith.

This came about as at the forefront of the rejection of the Manifestations of God in the Past have been the Priests, as this continued with the Revelations of the Bab and of Baha’u’llah, from this institution power has been seized and replaced by a different system of Guidance to humanity.

This document explains - reference.bahai.org/en/t/se/PDC/pdc-21.html

Regards Tony

Hopefully it was Catholic Priest of the past that rejected the notion of “Manifestations of God” and How can Baha’u’llah give Guidance to humanity when nobody can understand his writings ?

 

[jeffrey_erwin]

Jeffery - This is some of the guidance given;

1. Bahá’ís Cannot Voluntarily Enlist Where Subject to Taking Human Life

“Bahá’ís cannot voluntarily enlist in any branch of the Armed Forces where they would be subject to orders to engage in the taking of human life.”

More at this Link - bahai.works/Lights_of_Guidance/Military_Service

Thanks for the link, Tony.
It is a often postulated philosophy that an ICBM is a purely “defensive” device. In that regard the Baha’i directives seem to be ambiguous as to whether or not any Baha’i could serve on an SSNB or an ICBM site. Also the question of working in an armaments factory is not clearly addressed. Furthermore, serving in a military role that did not involve the direct taking of human life might still be of assistance to others in doing so,

Thanks for trying, though. I realize that your post may be the best that you can do.

 

[Servant19]

TonyBS;13658953:

Jeffery - This is some of the guidance given;

1. Bahá’ís Cannot Voluntarily Enlist Where Subject to Taking Human Life

“Bahá’ís cannot voluntarily enlist in any branch of the Armed Forces where they would be subject to orders to engage in the taking of human life.”

More at this Link - bahai.works/Lights_of_Guidance/Military_Service

Thanks for the link, Tony.
It is a often postulated philosophy that an ICBM is a purely “defensive” device. In that regard the Baha’i directives seem to be ambiguous as to whether or not any Baha’i could serve on an SSNB or an ICBM site. Also the question of working in an armaments factory is not clearly addressed. Furthermore, serving in a military role that did not involve the direct taking of human life might still be of assistance to others in doing so,

Thanks for trying, though. I realize that your post may be the best that you can do.

Do you believe that nations should have a police force Jeffrey?

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[Servant19]

Servant19 … In no way,shape or form… does the Catholic Church want a One World Government, Language or school.

I guess you have been given good reason now Techno, to study your own religion and only then will you realise that the Baha’i Faith is the fulfillment of Catholicism

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[jeffrey_erwin]

jeffrey erwin;13659535:

Do you believe that nations should have a police force Jeffrey?
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A better question would be “Do you support the idea of Unilateral Nuclear Disarmament?” But wait, the Baha’i Faith has already hedged on that question and refused to support such disarmament.

 

[JimmyDFG]

The Bahá’í Writings describe the existence of two complementary aspects of divine law. The first refers to the universal, unchangeable spiritual laws which are animated by, and reflected in, all of God’s religions. The other concerns the laws which serve to order humanity’s social and spiritual life—laws which change according to the particular conditions and circumstances of the time.

bahai.org/beliefs/life-spirit/character-conduct/divine-law

An example of a Divine law would be the 'Golden Rule"

Regards Tony

The Commandments God and Jesus gave are these unchangeable laws. Can you explain what laws have had changed according to the particular conditions and circumstances of the times?

 

[JimmyDFG]

I guess you have been given good reason now Techno, to study your own religion and only then will you realise that the Baha’i Faith is the fulfillment of Catholicism

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The fulfillment of Catholicism?? Does the Catholic Church believe the bahai version of the resurrection of Jesus

 

[Servant19]

The fulfillment of Catholicism?? Does the Catholic Church believe the bahai version of the resurrection of Jesus

Yes I think it does when adequate study is put in.

Besides does the Apostolic Succession of the Rabbinic Order agree with the Catholic doctrine of the Trinity? And yet Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism, right?

Can’t apply one set of rules to Christianity and then discount all those rules when it comes to others…

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[Servant19]

Servant19;13659886:

A better question would be “Do you support the idea of Unilateral Nuclear Disarmament?” But wait, the Baha’i Faith has already hedged on that question and refused to support such disarmament.

Hi Jeffrey,

This might assist you on nuclear disarmament

bahaiteachings.org/path-to-peace-time-to-disarm
bahaiteachings.org/path-to-peace-time-to-disarm-part-2
bahaiteachings.org/path-to-peace-time-to-disarm-part-3
bahaiteachings.org/path-to-peace-time-to-disarm-part-4
bahaiteachings.org/path-to-peace-time-to-disarm-part-5

Please share any insights or questions you may have.

It is a very pertinent discussion

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[TonyBS]

Thanks for the link, Tony.

It is a often postulated philosophy that an ICBM is a purely “defensive” device. In that regard the Baha’i directives seem to be ambiguous as to whether or not any Baha’i could serve on an SSNB or an ICBM site. Also the question of working in an armaments factory is not clearly addressed. Furthermore, serving in a military role that did not involve the direct taking of human life might still be of assistance to others in doing so,

Thanks for trying, though. I realize that your post may be the best that you can do.

Dear Jeffery, we can all do better dear friend in God. I love your Faith an attitude you share.

Baha’u’llah has given us a High Standard to meet now on a worldly scale. Each person is called to understand what it is we believe and then to what effort we would make in fulfilling our obligations.

So on a personal level I would in no way be involved with anything that would take a life with a weapon of Mass destruction, which is far beyond the force required to police the security of mankind.

As a Baha’i we are also aware that there are people in the world that will not stop killing unless they themselves are killed. It stands to reason that there will be needed a certain level of force to be used against these peoples that would most likely end in the death of some or all of them.

If I was put in the situation of having to defend innocent peoples from aggressors with no authority to appeal to, I would have to consider the level of aggression I would purse to keep these people safe and put my heart with God in the choice. It would be no easy decision and if it had to be split second, the result may be even harder to reconcile.

One thing I do know God is the best of all Judges and His Justice is also the best of all Justice. The motivations for what we do i know will be taken into considerations in the actions we take.

Regards Tony

 

[JimmyDFG]

Can’t apply one set of rules to Christianity and then discount all those rules when it comes to others…

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So you believe anyone has free rein to make a religion?