Exploring Bahaism

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How can the Baha’u’llah be so concerned with the world thats so sinful? Is the Baha’u’llah?
You will note the Messengers of God come when the World reaches its lowest ebbs and the message is given to the Lowest of the peoples, peoples that think they have risen to the apex of Knowledge when in reality they are the most depraved.

Do you think it a coincidence that Baha’ullah’s message was revealed in what is now known as Iran? Do you think it a coincidence that it went like lightening and was established in America?

Persia was spiritually and morally Bankrupt
America was Materially Bankrupt

Both at the extremes of forgetting the One true God. This is Gods way, this is how rapid change can be seen. God goes to the people that least are deserving of it and Gives His Message. To the people that hold to a Faith and a Way of life he gives His warnings to watch and to Test in case you miss the Message.

Too big a subject for but a small post, that is enough to trigger more thoughts.

Regards Tony
 
This is the Only way to Know and Love God, the only way can get a Glimpse of what is the reason for why we were created. They can only teach us the the capacity we have gained.

So much of our Brain still not used, so much still used badly. Who knows what the future holds, but we are right here right now to find our greatest potential.

Right here right now our greatest potential is know God through the Father Baha’u’llah. Baha’u’llah shows us How Christ, Muhammad and all past Revelations are but to build on our capacity in understanding these Revelations. Baha’u’llah has explained it so

"To every discerning and illuminated heart it is evident that God, the unknowable Essence, the Divine Being, is immensely exalted beyond every human attribute, such as corporeal existence, ascent and descent, egress and regress. Far be it from His glory that human tongue should adequately recount His praise, or that human heart comprehend His fathomless mystery. He is, and hath ever been, veiled in the ancient eternity of His Essence, and will remain in His Reality everlastingly hidden from the sight of men. “No vision taketh in Him, but He taketh in all vision; He is the Subtile, the All-Perceiving.”…

The door of the knowledge of the Ancient of Days being thus closed in the face of all beings, the Source of infinite grace, according to His saying, “His grace hath transcended all things; My grace hath encompassed them all,” hath caused those luminous Gems of Holiness to appear out of the realm of the spirit, in the noble form of the human temple, and be made manifest unto all men, that they may impart unto the world the mysteries of the unchangeable Being, and tell of the subtleties of His imperishable Essence.

These sanctified Mirrors, these Day Springs of ancient glory, are, one and all, the Exponents on earth of Him Who is the central Orb of the universe, its Essence and ultimate Purpose. From Him proceed their knowledge and power; from Him is derived their sovereignty. The beauty of their countenance is but a reflection of His image, and their revelation a sign of His deathless glory. They are the Treasuries of Divine knowledge, and the Repositories of celestial wisdom. Through them is transmitted a grace that is infinite, and by them is revealed the Light that can never fade…. These Tabernacles of Holiness, these Primal Mirrors which reflect the light of unfading glory, are but expressions of Him Who is the Invisible of the Invisibles. By the revelation of these Gems of Divine virtue all the names and attributes of God, such as knowledge and power, sovereignty and dominion, mercy and wisdom, glory, bounty, and grace, are made manifest.

These attributes of God are not, and have never been, vouchsafed specially unto certain Prophets, and withheld from others. Nay, all the Prophets of God, His well-favored, His holy and chosen Messengers are, without exception, the bearers of His names, and the embodiments of His attributes. They only differ in the intensity of their revelation, and the comparative potency of their light. Even as He hath revealed: “Some of the Apostles We have caused to excel the others.”
It hath, therefore, become manifest and evident that within the tabernacles of these Prophets and chosen Ones of God the light of His infinite names and exalted attributes hath been reflected, even though the light of some of these attributes may or may not be outwardly revealed from these luminous Temples to the eyes of men. That a certain attribute of God hath not been outwardly manifested by these Essences of Detachment doth in no wise imply that they who are the Day Springs of God’s attributes and the Treasuries of His holy names did not actually possess it. Therefore, these illuminated Souls, these beauteous Countenances have, each and every one of them, been endowed with all the attributes of God, such as sovereignty, dominion, and the like, even though to outward seeming they be shorn of all earthly majesty….

Above says it all and answers all questions in this regard

Regards Tony.
It’s saying a lot, but it isn’t really saying anything at all.
 
If you have been reading my posts, then you know that I have issues with what Abdul-Baha said about our Teacher’s Miracles and Resurrection. I understand why Abdul-Baha denied the physical reality of these events, but his denial contradicts our Gospel.
Baha’u’llah affirmed the correctness of our Holy Gospels as written. Therefore I see a contradiction in what Baha’u’llah affirmed and what Abdul-Baha postulated.
Baha’u’llah forcefully declared that Divine Certitude was reserved for himself alone, and was not shared with anyone else.
However, the Universal House of Justice has chosen to give certitude to whatever Abdul-Baha wrote and has, thereby, given him precedence over his father.
The UHJ has refused to correct the obviously erroneous denial that our Lord’s body disappeared (vanished) from His burial linen locked inside a sealed and guarded tomb.
Baha’s are required to accept certitude for Abdul-Baha just as Catholics must regard St. Paul’s writings as gospel.

If I were to become a Baha’i I would be immediately excommunicated because of my refusal to accept certitude for Abdul-Baha. So what would be the point?

BTW, years ago Abdul-Baha’s flowery denial of the actuality of Rabbi Yeshu’s Resurrection finished with a short statement that flat out stated that neither His Miracles nor his Resurrection actually occurred. I see that this sentence is now removed.
I, for one, think that all of Abdul-Baha’s obviously incorrect statements should be discarded, but, apparently, that’s not going to happen.
It was Baha’u’llah Himself Who endowed Abdul-Baha with authority and certitude. Whoso turns to Abdul-Baha, Baha’u’llah states here, has turned towards God. That is a clear bestowal of conferred certitude from Baha’u’llah.

There hath branched from the Sadratu’l-Muntahá this sacred and glorious Being, this Branch of Holiness; well is it with him that hath sought His shelter and abideth beneath His shadow. Verily the Limb of the Law of God hath sprung forth from this Root which God hath firmly implanted in the Ground of His Will, and Whose Branch hath been so uplifted as to encompass the whole of creation. Magnified be He, therefore, for this sublime, this blessed, this mighty, this exalted Handiwork!… A Word hath, as a token of Our grace, gone forth from the Most Great Tablet—a Word which God hath adorned with the ornament of His own Self, and made it sovereign over the earth and all that is therein, and a sign of His greatness and power among its people …Render thanks unto God, O people, for His appearance; for verily He is the most great Favor unto you, the most perfect bounty upon you; and through Him every mouldering bone is quickened. Whoso turneth towards Him hath turned towards God, and whoso turneth away from Him hath turned away from My beauty, hath repudiated My Proof, and transgressed against Me. He is the Trust of God amongst you, His charge within you, His manifestation unto you and His appearance among His favored servants… We have sent Him down in the form of a human temple. Blest and sanctified be God Who createth whatsoever He willeth through His inviolable, His infallible decree. They who deprive themselves of the shadow of the Branch, are lost in the wilderness of error, are consumed by the heat of worldly desires, and are of those who will assuredly perish.

Baha’u’llah - Tablet of the Branch cited in The Dispensation of Baha’u’llah, paragraph 78
 
It’s saying a lot, but it isn’t really saying anything at all.
It said it all. Are you using the Eyes that do not see?

You have to read with your other eye, the third eye, the eye to your soul…that is your Heart

For the Third eye this is a prerequisite;

O SON OF SPIRIT! My first counsel is this: Possess a pure, kindly and radiant heart, that thine may be a sovereignty ancient, imperishable and everlasting. reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/HW/hw-2.html

Regards Tony
 
Baha’u’llah claimed to be manifestations of God. So equally all of them should known they were a manifestation of God and proclaimed that they were. Had Adam, Noah, Krishna, Moses, Abraham, Zoroaster, Buddha, muhammad all proclaimed to a manifestation of god? Or that they were God?

The flaws keep adding up
 
It said it all. Are you using the Eyes that do not see?

You have to read with your other eye, the third eye, the eye to your soul…that is your Heart

For the Third eye this is a prerequisite;

O SON OF SPIRIT! My first counsel is this: Possess a pure, kindly and radiant heart, that thine may be a sovereignty ancient, imperishable and everlasting. reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/HW/hw-2.html

Regards Tony
It sounds like highfalutin gibberish.
 
Baha’u’llah claimed to be manifestations of God. So equally all of them should known they were a manifestation of God and proclaimed that they were. Had Adam, Noah, Krishna, Moses, Abraham, Zoroaster, Buddha, muhammad all proclaimed to a manifestation of god? Or that they were God?

The flaws keep adding up
No our Flaws keep adding up, we always put the errors back to the Wrong Source 😉

Seek and ye shall find 👍

Regards Tony
 
You will note the Messengers of God come when the World reaches its lowest ebbs and the message is given to the Lowest of the peoples, peoples that think they have risen to the apex of Knowledge when in reality they are the most depraved.

Do you think it a coincidence that Baha’ullah’s message was revealed in what is now known as Iran? Do you think it a coincidence that it went like lightening and was established in America?

Persia was spiritually and morally Bankrupt
America was Materially Bankrupt

Both at the extremes of forgetting the One true God. This is Gods way, this is how rapid change can be seen. God goes to the people that least are deserving of it and Gives His Message. To the people that hold to a Faith and a Way of life he gives His warnings to watch and to Test in case you miss the Message.

Too big a subject for but a small post, that is enough to trigger more thoughts.

Regards Tony
John 17:16
They do not belong to the world any more than I belong to the world
 
It’s saying a lot, but it isn’t really saying anything at all.
It’s saying that all the Manifestations come from God and are all equal and to claim some Manifestation are superior to others is blasphemy because God is not in competition with Himself.

It’s saying that the essence of God does not descend or incarnate Itself and that God is beyond human understanding.

That all these Manifestations were mirrors reflecting God.

That all the Manifestations have the same qualities but according to the needs of the time reveal different aspects of the Divine. But for instance, Christ was not superior to Buddha or Baha’u’llah to Christ. This superiority and competition began with religious leaders and has divided humanity.

In God’s world all of them are one. So in this world each religion claims its Manifestation is superior to the others. Baha’u’llah says they all are true, equal and sent from the same God and that we should accept all of Them and that to deny One is to deny all. So to deny Muhammad for instance is also to deny Jesus.
 
Baha’u’llah claimed to be manifestations of God. So equally all of them should known they were a manifestation of God and proclaimed that they were. Had Adam, Noah, Krishna, Moses, Abraham, Zoroaster, Buddha, muhammad all proclaimed to a manifestation of god? Or that they were God?

The flaws keep adding up
It is explained here - I have put in Bold applicable words;

"No understanding can grasp the nature of His Revelation, nor can any knowledge comprehend the full measure of His Faith. All sayings are dependent upon His sanction, and all things stand in need of His Cause. All else save Him are created by His command, and move and have their being through His law. He is the Revealer of the divine mysteries, and the Expounder of the hidden and ancient wisdom. Thus it is related in the “Biháru’l-Anvar,” the “Aválím,” and the “Yanbú’” of Ṣádiq, son of Muḥammad, that he spoke these words: “Knowledge is twenty and seven letters. All that the Prophets have revealed are two letters thereof. No man thus far hath known more than these two letters. But when the Qá’im shall arise, He will cause the remaining twenty and five letters to be made manifest.” Consider; He hath declared Knowledge to consist of twenty and seven letters, and regarded all the Prophets, from Adam even unto the “Seal,” as Expounders of only two letters thereof and of having been sent down with these two letters. He also saith that the Qá’im will reveal all the remaining twenty and five letters. Behold from this utterance how great and lofty is His station! His rank excelleth that of all the Prophets, and His Revelation transcendeth the comprehension and understanding of all their chosen ones**. A Revelation, of which the Prophets of God, His saints and chosen ones, have either not been informed**, or which, in pursuance of God’s inscrutable Decree, they have not disclosed,—such a Revelation these mean and depraved people have sought to measure with their own deficient minds, their own deficient learning and understanding. Should it fail to conform to their standards, they straightway reject it. “Thinkest thou that the greater part of them hear or understand? They are even like unto the brutes! yea, they stray even further from the path!”

So Baha’u’llah says that it is possible God has not disclosed the entire Truth to some of the peoples that gave messages in the Past, or to some that it was all disclosed to, they chose not to tell it all.

Again it came down to the capacity they saw in man at the time. If we had matured quickly, we would have had greater revelation to date.

Regards Tony
 
Baha’u’llah claimed to be manifestations of God. So equally all of them should known they were a manifestation of God and proclaimed that they were. Had Adam, Noah, Krishna, Moses, Abraham, Zoroaster, Buddha, muhammad all proclaimed to a manifestation of god? Or that they were God?

The flaws keep adding up
Did Moses ever say He was a Prophet?

Did Jesus ever say “I am God”?

Please think about things before you just object for the sake of objecting 🙂

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It’s saying that all the Manifestations come from God and are all equal and to claim some Manifestation are superior to others is blasphemy because God is not in competition with Himself.

It’s saying that the essence of God does not descend or incarnate Itself and that God is beyond human understanding.

That all these Manifestations were mirrors reflecting God.

That all the Manifestations have the same qualities but according to the needs of the time reveal different aspects of the Divine. But for instance, Christ was not superior to Buddha or Baha’u’llah to Christ. This superiority and competition began with religious leaders and has divided humanity.

In God’s world all of them are one. So in this world each religion claims its Manifestation is superior to the others. Baha’u’llah says they all are true, equal and sent from the same God and that we should accept all of Them and that to deny One is to deny all. So to deny Muhammad for instance is also to deny Jesus.
A great summary from us unworthy souls 😊

Regards Tony
 
Tony, If man gets it wrong that’s why Jesus was crucified for the forgiveness of sins. That’s why the Church has The Sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation

Catechism of the Catholic Church 1422
"Those who approach the sacrament of Penance obtain pardon from God’s mercy for the offense committed against him, and are, at the same time, reconciled with the Church which they have wounded by their sins and which by charity, by example, and by prayer labors for their conversion

That in its self puts a stop to any manifestations of God…IF there was ever any
It is an ongoing Process

The sacrifice of Christ taught us that our sins can be forgiven by God if we turn to him and Repent.

Turning to Christ and Repenting does not in itself keep us from sin as it is a Daily battle to Live to the Faith and Laws. We fall short each day.

This aspect of our Love of God will always be with us.

Now not only do we look to do right for our self, but we look to do good as a Family, as a village, as a city, as a country, as a nation and now we are searching for Salvation of all as a Whole.

Each one has to do this with the Foundation of Jesus the Christs Sacrifice, it is never Lost.

Regards Tony
 
Did Moses ever say He was a Prophet?

Did Jesus ever say “I am God”?

Please think about things before you just object for the sake of objecting 🙂

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No wheres did I mention “prophet” …nor did I mention “Jesus”. Please follow my question correctly. Don’t twist what I’ve said
 
It’s saying that all the Manifestations come from God and are all equal and to claim some Manifestation are superior to others is blasphemy because God is not in competition with Himself.

It’s saying that the essence of God does not descend or incarnate Itself and that God is beyond human understanding.

That all these Manifestations were mirrors reflecting God.

That all the Manifestations have the same qualities but according to the needs of the time reveal different aspects of the Divine. But for instance, Christ was not superior to Buddha or Baha’u’llah to Christ. This superiority and competition began with religious leaders and has divided humanity.

In God’s world all of them are one. So in this world each religion claims its Manifestation is superior to the others. Baha’u’llah says they all are true, equal and sent from the same God and that we should accept all of Them and that to deny One is to deny all. So to deny Muhammad for instance is also to deny Jesus.
So as long as these Manifestations mentions God everything will be ok.
 
We have found Jesus, and he has Risen …alleluia …alleluia :signofcross:
In our heart is the Word
a Word to be Heard
not by learning
by by loving yearning.

How to tell
if all is well?
does it attract
or does it repel?

The Jesus that Has risen Blesses all of Mankind every moment every beat of time. This Spirit is our Life.

Regards Tony
 
No wheres did I mention “prophet” …nor did I mention “Jesus”. Please follow my question correctly. Don’t twist what I’ve said
Jimmy, please think.

If Moses never said He was a Prophet (yet He was) why are you insisting on the Buddha calling Himself a Manifestation of God?

Is it impossible that the Buddha never said He was a Manifestation of God (yet He was)??

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Right here right now our greatest potential is know God through the Father Baha’u’llah.

Regards Tony.
So Baha’u’llah is God? Just like Servant was implying Krishna was God in message # 673
 
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