Explosions heard at Brussels airport [AP]

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grotto said:
Seems to me that mid-easterners prefer to not assimilate and modify their culture. Instead they remain closed and isolated, segregating themselves from the prevailing culture by choice. Abusive behavior by males towards women and other social abnormalities as in numerous, early and loud, prayer calls is not assimilating. The problem gets worse because the people who are carrying out terrorist attacks share appearance, clothing style, language, customs and religion. They charge they are being wrongly suspicioned but the track record so far cannot be disputed.

The insane demand of jihad being carried out and maniacal desire for caliphate world rule will come to an end. How much terror is carried out depends on closure - sooner than later.
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I think plenty of Mid-Easterners are just fine and assimilate; I had a good Egyptian friend, he honestly likes Israelis more than a lot of others in the nearby Middle East to Israel, he did not like going to the local worship center and he loved Egypt, enjoyed a relative moderate life, kids enrolled in Martial Arts classes and the like, daughter became a physician but obviously, some others in his country did bother him. He did not care for radicals.
 
Path Finder, it is true that many people from the mid east are welcomed friends and neighbors. No desire to offend good people here. Present times have multitudes of people from the mid east flooding other countries, and among them a huge number are not good people. Of course, these are the jihadists and those that shelter and support them that have caused the furor. Closed, desired isolation and imposing sharia law in their clustered communities, etc. are not methods of assimilation. Large numbers, withdrawn, surly and opposed culture doesn’t make for fellow countrymen.

Old advice: Less is More!
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
He made a legitimate point. Its unfortunate that it takes the legs and heads of their citizens being blown off, but introspection is needed to determine what issues in their society are contributing factors to such things and how it is that tensions can build up to this point without notice. Europe has real problems with immigrants failing to assimilate. Instead there is a tendency to form long lasting pockets of usually impoverished and high crime rate communities that are marginalized and ignored. It isn’t always that immigrants don’t want to assimilate; there is a very real problem with xenophobia that makes assimilation difficult or impossible for them.
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When you work hard and pay high taxes to give uninvited migrants free housing, free clothing and free food, in some cases some will throw the food back at you and curse you for your not giving them the type of food that they demand. Some are molesting young Christian women. Now some are blowing people up and no doubt some are planning more mayhem. If they don’t like Belgium, there are plenty of other places to go to. How much time have you spent in Belgium? I doubt you have lived there, because if you had, you would know that many Belgian people are quite polite and charitable. How charitable and kind have the Muslims in ISIS been to Catholics living there?
 
Path_Finder said:
I think plenty of Mid-Easterners are just fine and assimilate; .
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True. But there is a danger from a few. There are some real cowardly extremists who want to kill innocent civilians and children. Have you heard of the Beslan massacre?
 
didymus said:
from Le Monde:

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As a European, I understand the desire to express sympathy and empathy, but there is something pathetic and sniveling about this. We must develop more backbone than simply reveling in our victimhood and hashtagging “Je suis whatever.”
exnihilo said:
As for the constitution we absolutely have the right to bar anyone for any reason from entering this country or becoming a citizen. It may be tricker to kick people of a certain religion out but I’m sure the great minds on the Supreme Court can find a justification lurking in the penumbra.

Men who are not already US citizens have no rights that derive specifically from the constitution. …

… However I think not involving ourselves in the Middle East while protecting Christendom from invasion or ‘migration’ is a wise thing to do.
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Countries have this right. Kuwait will not grant citizenship to anyone who is Christian and they make no apologies about it. And your last sentence is spot on.
Seamus_L said:
The end result of this for the immediate future will be that Belgians will lose more of there civil liberties so that they can have more people of an incompatible culture living in there midst. Wonder how many are realising that it’s not a fair trade.
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A lot are. But the elite rulers of Europe are out of touch, and the Germans, who could lead, cannot because they are manipulated and paralysed by guilt from the last century. The only leader speaking common sense on this issue is the Hungarian prime minister.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
It isn’t always that immigrants don’t want to assimilate; there is a very real problem with xenophobia that makes assimilation difficult or impossible for them.
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Well, that’s kind of true but is the kind of argument that can hide more than it reveals. I say that because it does seem to vary quite a lot. The UK, since the 1950s/60s, has absorbed a very large number of South Asians but there’s not a ‘Hindu problem’, nor a ‘Sikh problem’.

Meanwhile, lots of Muslims are busily getting on with life and a survey not long ago found that Muslim schoolgirl ambitions went along the lines of: education/wear really nice head-scarves/start a business/marry sometime (I made up one of them).

The vanguard of the Islamotariat (to borrow from terrorists of a century ago) may have social grievances that they are building on but they’re more in the world of propaganda of the deed than anything else.
 
GraceSofia said:
As a European, I understand the desire to express sympathy and empathy, but there is something pathetic and sniveling about this. We must develop more backbone than simply reveling in our victimhood and hashtagging “Je suis whatever.”

Countries have this right. Kuwait will not grant citizenship to anyone who is Christian and they make no apologies about it. And your last sentence is spot on.
A lot are. But the elite rulers of Europe are out of touch, and the Germans, who could lead, cannot because they are manipulated and paralysed by guilt from the last century. The only leader speaking common sense on this issue is the Hungarian prime minister.
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GraceSofia said:
As a European, I understand the desire to express sympathy and empathy, but there is something pathetic and sniveling about this. We must develop more backbone than simply reveling in our victimhood and hashtagging “Je suis whatever.”

Countries have this right. Kuwait will not grant citizenship to anyone who is Christian and they make no apologies about it. And your last sentence is spot on.
A lot are. But the elite rulers of Europe are out of touch, and the Germans, who could lead, cannot because they are manipulated and paralysed by guilt from the last century. The only leader speaking common sense on this issue is the Hungarian prime minister.
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Hm, what is the Hungarian prime minister saying? :hmmm:
 
Alex_H said:
Viktor Orban. He is considered a far-right nationalist who is strongly opposed to immigration from the Middle East. Sound familiar? 😉
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:eek: Oh, that guy. Newspapers here have called him the European version of Trump, so I tended to dismiss him. Now I will see what he has to say.
 
Tomdstone said:
True. But there is a danger from a few. There are some real cowardly extremists who want to kill innocent civilians and children. Have you heard of the Beslan massacre?
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I’ve heard of Sandy Hook.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
I’ve heard of Sandy Hook.
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26 fatalities were the result of Sandy Hook; the Beslan school siege ended with the death of atleast 385 people, 186 being children. I know comparing numbers is a cliché, murder is murder, but this is a different order of magnitude.

A much better example for your point would have been this. A larger number of children were killed in this massacre, most of them presumably Muslim as this was Pakistan, so obviously there were other motives behind this attack.
 
Micosil said:
26 fatalities were the result of Sandy Hook; the Beslan school siege ended with the death of atleast 385 people, 186 being children. I know comparing numbers is a cliché, murder is murder, but this is a different order of magnitude.

A much better example for your point would have been this. A larger number of children were killed in this massacre, most of them presumably Muslim as this was Pakistan, so obviously there were other motives behind this attack.
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Sure, but I don’t want the point to be lost in the minutiae. When someone shoots up a school or a theatre or blows up a federal building, well those are just the risks we have to live with. But if a few dozen people are blown up in Belgium the response is: Close the borders! Ban the Muslims! Bomb the heathens!
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
He made a legitimate point. Its unfortunate that it takes the legs and heads of their citizens being blown off, but introspection is needed to determine what issues in their society are contributing factors to such things and how it is that tensions can build up to this point without notice. Europe has real problems with immigrants failing to assimilate. Instead there is a tendency to form long lasting pockets of usually impoverished and high crime rate communities that are marginalized and ignored. It isn’t always that immigrants don’t want to assimilate; there is a very real problem with xenophobia that makes assimilation difficult or impossible for them.
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Why do we not listen to what the terrorists are saying? Are they saying, we are doing this because we are not accepted in European nations? No, that is not at all what they are saying. They are saying that they are doing this because they follow the distates of the Koran which say that Islam must be spread throughout the world, that unbelievers aside from the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) should be killed, and that People of the Book must be forced into submission. What is different between what the Islamists are doing now and what they did in the first century of their existence?

Do we think we are respecting Islamists by ignoring what they are saying and instead replacing our interpretation of what they are doing? Do we think so little of them that we think they cannot think and form intentions?
 
Because saying things like that has become very unpopular and will get you labeled as a bigot. After enough Paris, Brussels, San Bernardino’s I imagine a majority of people will stop caring what people call them.
 
St_Francis said:
Why do we not listen to what the terrorists are saying? Are they saying, we are doing this because we are not accepted in European nations? No, that is not at all what they are saying. They are saying that they are doing this because they follow the distates of the Koran which say that Islam must be spread throughout the world, that unbelievers aside from the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) should be killed, and that People of the Book must be forced into submission. What is different between what the Islamists are doing now and what they did in the first century of their existence?

Do we think we are respecting Islamists by ignoring what they are saying and instead replacing our interpretation of what they are doing? Do we think so little of them that we think they cannot think and form intentions?
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There is so much logic in this post that it’ll probably be dismissed as nonsense by liberals.
 
It is great to see the memorial in Brussels.

People are chanting “love, love, love”.

The streets are full and no one in hiding out of fear.

I pray that violence is answered with love- not with intolerance and bigotry as some would have it.
 
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