Extreme poverty needs to be eradicated from the face of the planet!

[Timothysis]

get rid of the cia and the mossad the world would be a better place without them murderers and drug dealers

Okaaayy…

 

[Didascalia]

I’m afraid you are wrong. Prices are set now because of the availability of money in the hands of the multitudes. If everyone became a millionaire overnight, you would see prices increase tomorrow. Why would Apple continue to charge $500 for an Ipad when everyone could suddenly afford to pay tens of thousands of dollars for one? It is the availability of cash that causes inflation. The more cash that is suddenly made available, the less it is worth.

Money in the hands of the MULTITUDES! really? seriously? on what planet are you living? THE MULTITUDES ON THIS EARTH ARE STARVING

 

[meltzerboy]

Where are these catholic banks?

Catholic banks, Jewish banks, whatever…

 

[tabycat]

giving free food and subsidy for people who even refuse to work is much better than spending billions on Defence and arms and sending an exploration team to investigate if there is life in Mars.

How would you defend the country when you have all the country’s money to the people who refuse to work? How about sending those people to Mars to see if there is life there?

 

[Timothysis]

Promoting self-help and self-sufficiency need not cost any more than we are now spending on poverty.

This country has spent 16 trillion dollars since President Johnson’s War on Poverty and it has barely made a dent.

And, for the subsidies that are needed, think of it as an eventual boon to the economic system when all these able bodies are able to contribute to the economic system.

You assume that everyone wants self help and to be self sufficient but you have already said that you want to provide for the able bodied who refuse to work. What do we do about those who are able bodied, yet refuse to be self sufficient and would rather live off of the government than work?

 

[Timothysis]

Money in the hands of the MULTITUDES! really? seriously? on what planet are you living? THE MULTITUDES ON THIS EARTH ARE STARVING

Then please explain to me the emerging middle class in countries like China, India and Indonesia.

 

[Tantum_ergo]

Promoting self-help and self-sufficiency need not cost any more than we are now spending on poverty. And, for the subsidies that are needed, think of it as an eventual boon to the economic system when all these able bodies are able to contribute to the economic system.

Again, we have been promoting self help and self sufficiency in this country from day 1. Unfortunately, many of the individuals living in extreme poverty are doing so by their own choice. When you have those again, who are found to be capable of free consent, who refuse to accept help, and who refuse to ‘be sufficient’, what more can society do?

Freedom means the freedom not just to accept help and sufficiency, but to reject it as well.

You and I might agonize over the choices of many to simply demand ‘needs’ without doing anything in return, but again, it is not loving to insist that the majority of people work, sometimes indeed working extremely hard, to have barely enough to exist, while one permits a small minority to take not just ‘enough’ but to take over and above, without doing anything at all for it.

Ask the single dad or mom who is working two jobs at minimum wage, just barely managing to keep out of assisted living, who is judged to make too MUCH to qualify for aid, and who is juggling child care, medical bills, fuel bills, etc. just how ‘equitable’ and Christian it is that THEY should be working like slaves and still getting poorer and poorer as inflation goes up and their salary is either static or they have job CUTS. .

while the single dad or mom down the street decides to not even bother, is set up with housing, food, clothing, all sorts of ‘aid to families with dependent children’, etc.

Don’t get me wrong. I think that those who are in need should receive help. . .and especially for the caregiver of young children, it may not be possible that the parents work outside the home in the child’s early years, simply because the child care costs would probably be more than what the person would take in while working, prior to the child entering school.

BUT --and it’s a big one–it simply is not just and right that those who are doing everything ‘by the rules’, who are accepting responsibility for themselves, working, and producing, are PENALIZED in that society bends over backward giving and giving to those who REFUSE to work, while it ignores those who DO work.

The person who is doing his or her job isn’t demanding to have things beyond what he or she ‘puts into’ or ‘deserves’ to have, . . .they aren’t demanding to have unlimited funds, a new car a year, designer duds, etc. . .

but when this person, who despite hard work and effort, is getting barely enough to live on, who is driving a 16 year old car, whose kids have always worn hand-me downs and thift shop clothes, who has never been able to take a vacation, who clips coupons, buys ‘day old’, scrimps and saves. . .sees Johnny and June Welfare driving by in their 2 year old car which was refurbished to be ‘like new’ and donated to them. . .sees them with their children dressed in designer clothing likewise donated by ‘the charity people’, sees them with electronics again donated ‘for the children’. . .off to some event sponsored for the ‘poor’ where the kids will get a couple of weeks of free camping. . .

it’s kind of disheartening. Why should the laboring person be less well off than the ‘grasshopper’?

They don’t WANT the poor person to have nothing, that’s for sure. But it is not right that the ‘poor’ have more resources, without working for them, than the WORKER, who DID work for those resources, has. Don’t you think?

 

[Timothysis]

Catholic banks, Jewish banks, whatever…

Yes, I suppose we are in need of Kristallnacht, part two…

 

[Deus_tecum]

Your piddling against the wind Robert, most of your fellow Americans confuse charity and compassion with communism. McCarthyism is alive and well in the USA! The world looked on in horror after Hurrican Katrina, and witnessed American compassion for the dispossessed and poor first hand. If a country can treat its own poor with such cruelty how can it be expected to show compassion for the poor citizens of other nations? You do however have the support of an Irishman. We have known death through starvation!!!

Confiscating money from one group and giving it to another is not “charity”. It’s theft.

 

[Timothysis]

How about sending those people to Mars to see if there is life there?

That’s a good suggestion because threads like this make me wonder about intelligent life on this planet!

 

[tabycat]

Your piddling against the wind Robert, most of your fellow Americans confuse charity and compassion with communism. McCarthyism is alive and well in the USA! The world looked on in horror after Hurrican Katrina, and witnessed American compassion for the dispossessed and poor first hand. If a country can treat its own poor with such cruelty how can it be expected to show compassion for the poor citizens of other nations? You do however have the support of an Irishman. We have known death through starvation!!!

And the old USSR did not treat its poor and dispossessed kindly (at least 20 million killed under Stalin)? Does Cuba treat its poor and dispossessed kindly? Did Nazi Germany treat its poor and dispossessed kindly (12 million killed)? Does communist China and North Korea treat their poor and dispossessed kindly? :confused

 

[Billy_Buescher]

What would it take for EVERYBODY to live comfortably?

To reach one’s fullest potential, one needs readily available upper education (free on-line classes comes to mind, especially in self-help). To live comfortably, people need easy to get, decent paying jobs. The minimum wage would need to be placed at a comfortable rate, like it is in Australia. The value system of people would certainly need to change. But I think all this is realistic with government intervention and the help of the media. Imagine the potential with everybody receiving education and being put to work! People in the lower class can live fruitful, meaningful and comfortable lives!

People refusing to work would be guaranteed a roof over their heads, free food and a computer for self-help classes, but would be denied ‘luxuries.’ People with mental disabilities would receive free treatment and be encouraged to work as best as they can. Self-help consulars would abound, and would be paid using government subsidies.

Hi,
What you are after all extreme poverty to be eradicated is a good goal, but two verse from scripture I can recall are:

Mat 26:10 But Jesus, aware of this, said to them, “Why do you trouble the woman? For she has done a beautiful thing to me.
Mat 26:11 For you always have the poor with you, but you will not always have me.
Mat 26:12 In pouring this ointment on my body, she has done it to prepare me for burial.
Mat 26:13 Truly, I say to you, wherever this gospel is proclaimed in the whole world, what she has done will also be told in memory of her.”

Even Paul talk about working and eating:

2Th 3:10 For even when we were with you, we would give you this command:** If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat. **
2Th 3:11 For we hear that some among you walk in idleness, not busy at work, but busybodies.

I do not know if you consider poor, with extreme poverty or not

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[Robert_Sock]

This country has spent 16 trillion dollars since President Johnson’s War on Poverty and it has barely made a dent.

Again, perhaps it time to promote self-help and self sufficiency.

You assume that everyone wants self help and to be self sufficient but you have already said that you want to provide for the able bodied who refuse to work. What do we do about those who are able bodied, yet refuse to be self sufficient and would rather live off of the government than work?

Those who refuse self-help and self-sufficiency would be a small minority of the lower class, and they would live without any ‘luxuries.’ Love your neighbor as yourself.

 

[Didascalia]

Then please explain to me the emerging middle class in countries like China, India and Indonesia.

It goes something like this. A company is established in the US before the second war, and by the blood and sweat of its minimum wage workers, it becomes a world class company making millions of dollars for its owners and shareholders. One day the owners and shareholders get tired of making millions and paying there workers $6.50 per hour and decide to move to india to make billions and pay the workers there $1.00 per hour. The new “middle class” in India, China and Indochina are the bankers who will fleece the Asian working classes just like they fleeced the western working classes.

 

[Country_Gal]

Yes, I suppose we are in need of Kristallnacht, part two…

Kristallnacht:

Also known as The Night of the Broken Glass. On this night, November 9, 1938, almost 200 synagogues were destroyed, over 8,000 Jewish shops were sacked and looted, and tens of thousands of Jews were removed to concentration camps. This pogrom received its name because of the great value of glass that was smashed during this anti-Jewish riot. Riots took place throughout Germany and Austria on that night.

I’m not sure what you mean by this comment, but you should really take more care in speaking and clarifying your posts, my friend.

 

[tabycat]

get rid of the cia and the mossad the world would be a better place without them murderers and drug dealers

If we get rid of the CIA and Isreal get rid of Mossad, maybe all of the ex-KGB members in Russia should also be gotten rid of.

 

[Tantum_ergo]

Again, perhaps it time to promote self-help and self sufficiency.

Those who refuse self-help and self-sufficiency would be a small minority of the lower class, and they would live without any ‘luxuries.’ Love your neighbor as yourself.

WOW. . .this is a rather stereotypical position. I think you don’t realize how many ‘not lower class’ people are out there who run the gamut between not wanting ‘help’ due to drug or mental illness issues, or from societal ‘rejection’ issues, or from ‘laziness’ or ‘entitlement’ issues.

The ‘upper class’ man or woman who comes out of college and won’t accept a ‘menial job’.
Or is already so into booze or drugs that he or she can’t HOLD a job.
People with mental illness ranging from depression (often losing a job when they have a depressive episode) to those with issues like agoraphobia, PTSD, explosive behavior, autism, Asperger’s, schizophrenia, etc.) who may hold a job for a while and then lose it. . who don’t want to take medications or treatment that makes them feel like zombies. . .

They don’t have ‘luxuries’ and so that both ‘punishes them’ or makes them ‘want’ to be productive? U-hem. Many don’t ‘care’ for the luxuries, or if they aren’t ‘given’ them, will take them.

This is not about ‘class’, Robert. The ‘lower class’ aren’t the ones who are the problem, by and large, although one might think that their ‘lack of money’ is what is causing societal ills, The entitlement mentality goes across all classes, and it won’t be cured by giving people ‘the basics’ without any cost. Some simply won’t accept, and others will demand more without giving. . .and again, it won’t be because they are ‘lower class’, but because no matter what ‘class’ they are, they simply want to have things ON THEIR TERMS ONLY. . .NOT on 'society’s terms. . not even when society offers them what the ‘average’ person would consider all that was necessary for COMFORT.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Again, we have been promoting self help and self sufficiency in this country from day 1. Unfortunately, many of the individuals living in extreme poverty are doing so by their own choice. When you have those again, who are found to be capable of free consent, who refuse to accept help, and who refuse to ‘be sufficient’, what more can society do?

Freedom means the freedom not just to accept help and sufficiency, but to reject it as well.

You and I might agonize over the choices of many to simply demand ‘needs’ without doing anything in return, but again, it is not loving to insist that the majority of people work, sometimes indeed working extremely hard, to have barely enough to exist, while one permits a small minority to take not just ‘enough’ but to take over and above, without doing anything at all for it.

Ask the single dad or mom who is working two jobs at minimum wage, just barely managing to keep out of assisted living, who is judged to make too MUCH to qualify for aid, and who is juggling child care, medical bills, fuel bills, etc. just how ‘equitable’ and Christian it is that THEY should be working like slaves and still getting poorer and poorer as inflation goes up and their salary is either static or they have job CUTS. .

while the single dad or mom down the street decides to not even bother, is set up with housing, food, clothing, all sorts of ‘aid to families with dependent children’, etc.

Don’t get me wrong. I think that those who are in need should receive help. . .and especially for the caregiver of young children, it may not be possible that the parents work outside the home in the child’s early years, simply because the child care costs would probably be more than what the person would take in while working, prior to the child entering school.

BUT --and it’s a big one–it simply is not just and right that those who are doing everything ‘by the rules’, who are accepting responsibility for themselves, working, and producing, are PENALIZED in that society bends over backward giving and giving to those who REFUSE to work, while it ignores those who DO work.

The person who is doing his or her job isn’t demanding to have things beyond what he or she ‘puts into’ or ‘deserves’ to have, . . .they aren’t demanding to have unlimited funds, a new car a year, designer duds, etc. . .

but when this person, who despite hard work and effort, is getting barely enough to live on, who is driving a 16 year old car, whose kids have always worn hand-me downs and thift shop clothes, who has never been able to take a vacation, who clips coupons, buys ‘day old’, scrimps and saves. . .sees Johnny and June Welfare driving by in their 2 year old car which was refurbished to be ‘like new’ and donated to them. . .sees them with their children dressed in designer clothing likewise donated by ‘the charity people’, sees them with electronics again donated ‘for the children’. . .off to some event sponsored for the ‘poor’ where the kids will get a couple of weeks of free camping. . .

it’s kind of disheartening. Why should the laboring person be less well off than the ‘grasshopper’?

They don’t WANT the poor person to have nothing, that’s for sure. But it is not right that the ‘poor’ have more resources, without working for them, than the WORKER, who DID work for those resources, has. Don’t you think?

Again, I’m not suggesting a welfare state, but an economic system that provides jobs to the poor, at wages that promote a comfortable living. The added able bodies to the workforce would be a boon for the economy.

 

[tabycat]

That’s a good suggestion because threads like this make me wonder about intelligent life on this planet!

Beam me up Scotty! There is no intelligent life here. lol

 

[tabycat]

Again, I’m not suggesting a welfare state, but an economic system that provides jobs to the poor, at wages that promote a comfortable living. The added able bodies to the workforce would be a boon for the economy.

My idea of ‘comfortable living’ might not be somebody else idea of ‘comfortable living’.