Extremely disappointed with Catholic Answers

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

Movements and ideologies (from the left) can in no way be the cause of violence and destruction. That stuff always comes from the right because the right has organizations and stuff, not ideologies like the good people on the left have.

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How can you say such nonsense?

It is called sarcasm. Go back and read the posts previous to it that were being addressed.

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

LeafByNiggle:

The fruits of the group are much more significant than anything members of the group say.

We agree on Antifa and BLM, then?

Yes, except that the fruits of BLM are no where near as bad percentage wise as the fruits of right-wing extremists.

If you want to count all of the past in US history, you have a point, but Antifa and BLM are working very hard to make up for the shortfalls in the past.

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

LeafByNiggle:

The fruits of the group are much more significant than anything members of the group say.

We agree on Antifa and BLM, then?

Yes, except that the fruits of BLM are no where near as bad percentage wise as the fruits of right-wing extremists. And although Antifa is slightly worse that BLM, it is still not nearly so bad in the count of murders, as I showed. You probably want to attribute every violent riot to BLM, but the fact is they are not. They are upset about the same sort of thing as BLM, but they are not associated with it.

This is all consistent with the Department of Homeland Security draft report that found white supremacy a bigger domestic terrorist threat than any other, including the threat from foreign terrorist groups.

The date of that report was when exactly?

 

[SuperLawyer]

I love when people who know nothing about how the legal system works speak with such definitiveness.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

This is all consistent with the Department of Homeland Security draft report that found white supremacy a bigger domestic terrorist threat than any other, including the threat from foreign terrorist groups.

The date of that report was when exactly?

The report is titled DHS’s State of the Homeland Threat Assessment 2020, produced this August.

 

[HarryStotle]

LeafByNiggle:

Yes, except that the fruits of BLM are no where near as bad percentage wise as the fruits of right-wing extremists.

Malarky. BLM and Antifa have caused more damage than the Proud Boys ever have or ever will. BLM and Antifa are fascist, witless rioters who excrete in their own nest like animals.

So you are saying BLM and Antifa are not merely “ideas” or “myths?” And the fruits of their labours are tangibly maliforous? Oh my.

 

[HarryStotle]

Have a direct link?

 

[Raxus]

So you are saying BLM and Antifa are not merely “ideas” or “myths?” And the fruits of their labours are tangibly maliforous? Oh my.

Shocking, no?

 

[LeafByNiggle]

So you are saying BLM and Antifa are not merely “ideas” or “myths?” And the fruits of their labours are tangibly maliforous?

Let’s get our terms straight, because it is quite involved - except for Proud Boys, because they are quite simply an organization with strict membership rules and a clear leadership structure.

BLM is various things. It is the name of a national organization which owns the website, blacklivesmatter.com. It is also the name of the movement, “Black Lives Matter” that finds expression in local organizations that operate in sympathy with most of the goals of the national organization, but is not controlled by them, as we saw all over the world after the George Floyd killing. These marches were joined in some cases by law enforcement and civic leaders and mayors, who certainly have no obligations to the national organization.

Antifa is a movement with no clear leadership or organization. It is highly decentralized. It is best described as a left-wing political movement. The ideologies embraced by those in the Antifa movement include anarchism, communism, Marxism, and as such may be rightly criticized. Also the tactics employed by some in the movement include harassment, physical violence, and property damage against those they see as belonging to the far-right. I would not defend that ideology or those tactics. However in quantifying the danger posed by this group, the DHS still sees white supremacy as a bigger threat.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Have a direct link?

Just google “DHS right-wing terrorism” and you will get several.

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

So you are saying BLM and Antifa are not merely “ideas” or “myths?” And the fruits of their labours are tangibly maliforous? Oh my.

Shocking, no?

Hopefully sufficiently shocking that more people will begin to take notice of the cultural Marxism (soft totalitarianism) that is behind the violence and orchestrates it, but pretends someone else is to blame for it. Kind of like Pelosi’s claiming her hairstylist set her up.

The fact is that many on CAF do not see the persecutorial bent of the left and how having the “wrong” opinion will trigger all manner of retribution. They still defend the ideology despite that embedded in it is a maliciousness against anyone who dares express a differing viewpoint.

This interview was interesting.

 

[JimG]

It seems to me that wherever BLM has protests, arson, violence, attacks on police, looting and destruction follow.

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

Have a direct link?

Just google “DHS right-wing terrorism” and you will get several.

All I get are links to Politico articles reporting about supposed “drafts” of DHS reports or articles about a 2009 report. I went to the DHS site and found no actual recent report.

Do you have a link to the report or are you merely going off of the Politico article? I want to read it for myself.

 

[HarryStotle]

It seems to me that wherever BLM has protests, arson, violence, attacks on police, looting and destruction follow.

It must be the right wing of the BLM movement who are responsible – I am sure it will be in the fourth draft of the DHS report.

 

[Victoria33]

Check out Andy Ngo’s twitter, all of this is not going on at the West Coast under disorganized gangs.

They are organized. Protests everywhere have some organization and if violence and vandalism breaks out, yes, there are culpable groups.

 

[Tolle_Lege]

Third parties never go anywhere or do anything here. I’m not saying that it’s right, but it’s just the truth.

Ross Perot was the most successful 3rd party candidate in recent memory, but his 18% or so of the popular vote in 1992 still didn’t get him any Electoral votes.

In many ways they’re a wasted vote. I honestly think it’s a cop-out for someone to vote for a 3rd party candidate, because they know they’re not going to win, but it let’s them stay safe by saying they didn’t vote for whoever actually winds up in office.

 

[VonDerTann]

Andy Ngo = real journalism. Mainstream media? Not at all.

 

[Peeps]

If you think in terms of “This election is the only one ever” then yes, it won’t do much. However, continued support of third parties makes them more viable to the rest of the public, and can eventually break through the “you’re an idiot for wasting your vote on a third party” voter suppression that’s so popular among partisans today.

Is there an example of this happening in American history? I don’t think there is, unless you go way back and describe the demise and replacement of the Whig Party. These times were so different though–the communication was very slow between the states, and there was the ever-approaching inevitability of the Civil War, as the issues of slavery and states’ rights were huge.

 

[Peeps]

It is hard to imagine the Argentine tango originating instead in, let’s say, Sweden or Korea.

hahahaha! Good one! Uff da!

On the other hand, the Swedes drink “glug”–and from I understand, that stuff is pretty powerful and could easily break down inhibitions and result in the creation of a wild dance!

 

[Odilon]

However in quantifying the danger posed by this group, the DHS still sees white supremacy as a bigger threat.

Where is all this “white supremacism”.? Are people flocking to join the KKK? Are they holding parades and rallies in Washington D.C. like they did under Woodrow Wilson, the Democrat? Is anyone saying that any non-white person should be denied the rights available to all American citizens? The only thing I am seeing is BLM supporters bothering people with bullhorns while that are trying to eat dinner somewhere. This is a fake claim, just like somehow the whole system we live under is racist.