F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

[JoshuaIsLord]

That is unethical and you will not find a lawyer who says otherwise. Please stop deflecting to personal injury suits that haven’t the slightest thing to do with the case at hand.

I just came across the street talking to some the state congressman I know. They all concur. They all believe if Trumps testifies that he knew nothing about it, Cohen could risk loosing his license.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Why not just subpoena what you want? (I am not saying they CAN’T RAID an attorney’s office. But why not carry out conventional means first?)

Raiding an attorney’s office seems pretty drastic.

The point of these raids is to terrorize those being raided and all those associated with the person raided or who might simply be next on the list of potential witnesses. Terror, basically. NKVD stuff.

 

[Xystus]

Hyperbole is very common, but it is still lying. and it is a trait which can easily become a habit. It can be like the thin end of a wedge. Hyperbole is often seen as a more acceptable form of lying. It isn’t. It’s actually dangerous, because if it isn’t eliminated, it can undermine your conscience and, gradually, lead you into telling much more explicit lies.

I knew a church leader some years ago. He was particularly prone to Hyperbole . He actually became well known for it. People used to excuse it and speak of it as "just his way” and that he was “evangelastic” But it’s very wrong. It can easily escalate to the point where you aren’t just being a little rough and ready with figures, but increasingly wide of the mark. Therefore, make a decision never to exaggerate. It is wrong in itself, but it is also wrong because of what it leads to.

If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away

And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away.

These are two examples of hyperbole, do you consider these lies leading to more explicit lies that are wrong in themselves?

 

[7_Sorrows]

I could care less who you talk to frankly.
I am not impressed.
Must be lots of Democrat plants here at
CAF.

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away

And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away.

These are two examples of hyperbole, do you consider these lies leading to more explicit lies that are wrong in themselves?

Was Jesus using Hyperbole? The debate goes both ways on that one. The more conservative of Christians believe he was being quite literal.

Especially in light of the part that you left out which renders the context and meaning and it’s literalness:

Mat_5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Protestants say that Jesus was being Hyperbolic in the Bread of Life Discourse. You and I would not agree to that being Hyperbole, would we?

I don’t believe Jesus exaggerated anything he said.

 

[Xystus]

Was Jesus using Hyperbole?

Yes. the point is that we need to make a serious effort to avoid sin. the very fact that history is not filled with examples of people plucking out their eyes and cutting of limbs to avoid sin is proof this has not been taken literally. Priests dont tell people to cut their hand off when the confess that they have sined by gratifying themselves

The more conservative of Christians believe he was being quite literal.

woud these be the same ones that believe they also need to handle venemous snakes?

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

woud these be the same ones that believe they also need to handle venemous snakes?

There are all types of conservatives.

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

Yes. the point is that we need to make a serious effort to avoid sin.

I don’t believe Jesus exaggerated anything he said.

He might have been metaphorical about it but definitely not hyperbole about it.

 

[anikins]

Trump last week: “You’ll have to ask Michael Cohen.”

FBI: raids Michael Cohen’s office

Trump: No, not like that

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

I’ll pray for you.

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

Trump last week: “You’ll have to ask Michael Cohen.”

FBI: raids Michael Cohen’s office

Trump: No, not like that

 

[F_Marturana]

Plants?

(Hey anybody else get their Soros check late this month. I get mine around the 8th, it hasn’t come yet…)

 

[Xystus]

He might have been metaphorical about it but definitely not hyperbole about it.

now you are just playing games to attempt to justify you being wrong.

Jesus is using a metaphor when he says “I am the vine; you are the branches”

Jesus is using hyperbole in the two examples already provided.

its quite easy to see the difference unless one is being obstinate

 

[lmachine]

This reads an awful lot like investigators are just trying to dig up negative information to use against Trump

It doesn’t. It reads like they have Cohen committing financial crimes to pay off one woman, The National Enquirer committing campaign finance violations at the least to pay off another woman, have some evidence suggesting some attempt to cover up the Access Hollywood tape, and are seeing what other crimes Cohen and Trump committed.

 

[Ridgerunner]

It doesn’t. It reads like they have Cohen committing financial crimes to pay off one woman, The National Enquirer committing campaign finance violations at the least to pay off another woman, have some evidence suggesting some attempt to cover up the Access Hollywood tape, and are seeing what other crimes Cohen and Trump committed.

Nothing to do with Russian collusion, of course. But this is a campaign to get Trump out of office by whatever means are necessary, so it doesn’t have to even be criminal. Even if Cohen borrowed money to pay Daniels to keep her from coming forward with old 2006 claims of sexual misbehavior, it’s not a crime. But then, nothing charged so far has been a crime other than “lying” to the FBI in some perjury trap. Even Strzok admitted he didn’t think Flynn lied. But Flynn copped a plea because Mueller threatened to prosecute his son. Obviously the judge is dubious about the charge and demanded that Mueller turn over all evidence to him to review before he would accept a plea from Flynn.

 

[lmachine]

Even if Cohen borrowed money to pay Daniels to keep her from coming forward with old 2006 claims of sexual misbehavior, it’s not a crime.

It is if he did it to influence the election since he didn’t report the campaign contribution and donated over the maximum, and if he tried to disguise the source of the funds he committed bank fraud.

But then, nothing charged so far has been a crime other than “lying” to the FBI in some perjury trap.

Except for, you know, Manafort’s and Gates’ money laundering and tax evasion. How quickly those who defend Trump forget the facts.

 

[Xystus]

i wonder if Hillary and the DNC funneling money through a law firm in order to pay Fusion GPS and Christopher Steele to put together the Trump dossier would qualify as bank fraud. why funnel through different places unless you were trying to disguise the source of funds?

if he tried to disguise the source of the funds he committed bank fraud

thanks for finally weighing in on this. I figured it was likely the dossier payments qualified as bank fraud, it seems you agree. No investigation though……

 

[lmachine]

thanks for finally weighing in on this. I figured it was likely the dossier payments qualified as bank fraud, it seems you agree. No investigation though…

Because those payments are all public knowledge and reported to the government. You don’t seem to understand the difference between money laundering and hiring a contractor.

 

[ProVobis]

Or dismiss it as old news.

 

[Xystus]

You don’t seem to understand the difference between money laundering and hiring a contractor.

I work with contractors quite a bit at work but we pay them directly. we dont pay a law firm who then pays them.