fake marriage??

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There’s a lot of holes in this story. For starters, I understand that its not uncommon for people to enter into fake marriages to try and gain entry to the US. Some are scam artists and some are just people desperate to get out of their own country. I wouldn’t necessarily be too harsh on the individual without knowing them. HOWEVER, there’s no future for the two of you if he can’t straighten out this situation. Until he’s legally divorced and there’s a resolution to his immigration status then your relationship to him can’t be more than friends. Otherwise you’re in for a big ole mess.

Whether or not his marriage is sacramentally valid depends on whether he or his wife is Catholic or not. If he or his wife is a Catholic without a Church wedding, then its an invalid marriage. If he’s a Protestant AND his wife is a Protestant then its a valid marriage no matter where they got married. He would need an anulment, however it probably wouldn’t be too hard to get based on his story.
 
I have a feeling that the older woman this man married was really serious about him. I think she really likes him because she is willing to financially support him as her husband while he finds a job somewhere.
Most likely they got married in a civil court just to hurry up to get to her country.

If it was me… I would play detective and find out more about the wife and how she feels about him and what their living situation is all about.

I think he is a con artist and is fishing to see if the OP will take the bait. I think he just wants money from her and then dump her.
 
choy said:
i wouldn’t be so fast to judge people who go through this process to gain legitimacy in a country. yes, its illegal and its a crime. but i’ve known good people who resorted to this just to find greener pastures. people in poorer nations are frustrated at their situation that they work hard and do everything they can to try and improve their lives, but somehow they can’t climb out of the financial hole they’re in. as frustration gives way to desperation, some people resort to this just for the opportunity to better their lives

i’m not justifying the criminal act they did, just don’t quickly say they’re bad people because they did this.
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I agree! 👍 Coming from a poor country, this is very common. I have relatives who did that and are now living abundantly in the USA. They also contribute their talents and skills to the country. It’s not like they are bums. In fact, a lot of these people are professionals just looking for greener pastures.
 
I also totally agree that a lot of people go to a new country to start their lives over again.
Many people have done that for thousands of years. But those are the people willing to find work or attend school to learn a trade or profession. Some people already have great skills.

But the fake marriage guy is not working or going to school. He seems to be wanting to have a woman financially support him.
 
I spoke to a Priest not long ago about this type of marriage & he said a annulment is not needed. Divorce papers would need to be shown if 1 were to get married in the church.
 
SANx, that is great that the priest said you could get married in the church. Make sure you see that priest when you decide to get married again because somehow I feel he could be wrong about what he said to you. I am only guessing that he has wrong information.

I remember you saying a gal married you so she could become a u.s. citizen but it didn’t work out so she went back to her country.
 
SANxJONERO said:
I spoke to a Priest not long ago about this type of marriage & he said a annulment is not needed. Divorce papers would need to be shown if 1 were to get married in the church.
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This doesn’t sound quite right. Whenever a marriage is entered into, even for reasons such as these, and then civilly dissolved, an declaration of nullity is needed, even if it is simply a summary declaration. It should be further stated I think a sin of deception, especially if this first marriage was in the Church, would have to be confessed, with remorse, before a new sacramental marriage would be permitted.

Suffice to say, I cannot see the church approving of mockery of the sacrament of marriage for the purpose of breaking immigration law.

Something doesn’t smell right here

God bless

Tony
 
LaLucia said:
SANx, that is great that the priest said you could get married in the church. Make sure you see that priest when you decide to get married again because somehow I feel he could be wrong about what he said to you. I am only guessing that he has wrong information.

I remember you saying a gal married you so she could become a u.s. citizen but it didn’t work out so she went back to her country.
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You got the impression that I was talking about me.
agp2176 said:
This doesn’t sound quite right. Whenever a marriage is entered into, even for reasons such as these, and then civilly dissolved, an declaration of nullity is needed, even if it is simply a summary declaration. It should be further stated I think a sin of deception, especially if this first marriage was in the Church, would have to be confessed, with remorse, before a new sacramental marriage would be permitted.

Suffice to say, I cannot see the church approving of mockery of the sacrament of marriage for the purpose of breaking immigration law.

Something doesn’t smell right here

God bless

Tony
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It had nothing to do with the church, which is sometihng that makes it not valid in the 1st place.
 
anonymousgirl said:
Thanks for the feedback. The entire story isn’t know for everyone to begin to judge him and his character. I was just curious of what the validity of the marriage is? I mean what is it in God’s eyes? I’m going to confession this Friday and will speak to a priest about it. I basically told him that I was saddened bc he kept this from me and that we should just be friends. I wouldn’t ever date someone who was married, so that wasn’t the question.

In the end I want to do what God wants but I feel that I’m getting mixed signals from God.

Thanks for the feedback but like choy was saying don’t be so quick to judge. He comes from one of the poorest countries in the Western Hemisphere and I guess he felt this was the only way to make a better life for himself. It does not excuse it, it is wrong, I’m not saying it isn’t.
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It would not appear to be a vaild marriage as there was no intent to be man and wife.
 
In the eyes of the Church, it would not be a valid marriage. But as someone said, you would still need to go through the Nullification process.

In the eyes of the Government, as your legal spouse he would be entitled to 50% of everything you own !
You’d be better off giving it to the Charity of your choice.

Being an accomplice in breaking the law is not good.
Lying during a Sacrament (of Marriage) is a Sacrilege.
 
WatchingMedia said:
In the eyes of the Government, as your legal spouse he would be entitled to 50% of everything you own !
You’d be better off giving it to the Charity of your choice.
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No he wouldnt-even if they lived in a community property state it woud be simple to protect ant assets she bought into the marriage.
 
WatchingMedia said:
In the eyes of the Church, it would not be a valid marriage. But as someone said, you would still need to go through the Nullification process.

In the eyes of the Government, as your legal spouse he would be entitled to 50% of everything you own !
You’d be better off giving it to the Charity of your choice.

Being an accomplice in breaking the law is not good.
Lying during a Sacrament (of Marriage) is a Sacrilege.
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Where does it state that someone who had a civil marriage outside the church needs to do something other than divorce to get married in the church? I think that would help us all know for sure.
 
Wow some people are really quick to throw the first stone and judge him. One of my friends said that the marriage would not need an annulment because it is not valid in the church. Since he has gone to confession and mass and met with a priest who said that he wouldn’t need an annulment to get married in the church only a civil divorce. Kind of funny because this thread ended up in hot topics but they changed the title and I was like wow, another thread just like mine until I realized it was my own. I have also went to confession twice and gotten advice from priests. I feel peaceful about the situation now and know that it is in Gods hands. Thanks for all the (name removed by moderator)ut.
 
the Church would recognize civil marriages as valid but not sacramental and would still require to go through the annulment process of the Church to find out if the marriage is indeed null and void from the beginning. not just because a marriage is not sacramental doesn’t mean it didn’t exist in the eyes of the Church. the Church recognizes that people of different (or lack of) faiths would have different ways to validly get married in their faith and would take this into consideration when judging the merits of the marriage. not just because you didn’t receive the sacraments doesn’t mean your marriage is invalid.

otherwise, single Catholics can just easily marry divorcees who were never married in the Church. but that is not the case
 
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that is why those who convert to Catholicism who are married do not get married again, but instead have their marriage convalidated, meaning making the marriage sacramental.

also convalidation brings the effects of the Sacraments to the original point of marriage, not on the day of convalidation. because convalidation recognizes the marraige as valid to begin with, but through convalidation brings that valid marriage into the Church, thus making it sacramental
 
choy said:
the Church would recognize civil marriages as valid but not sacramental and would still require to go through the annulment process of the Church to find out if the marriage is indeed null and void from the beginning.
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If the two parties are baptized Protestants than their civil marriage is a sacramental marriage. Thus it would need a “full anulment.”
If one of the parties is a Catholic and did not have their bishop’s permission to marry civilly then their marriage is null and void. In that case there is no anulment process. There’s simply a mere formality of notifying the chancery that the first attempted marriage did not meet canonical form.
 
NewEnglandPries said:
If the two parties are baptized Protestants than their civil marriage is a sacramental marriage. Thus it would need a “full anulment.”
If one of the parties is a Catholic and did not have their bishop’s permission to marry civilly then their marriage is null and void. In that case there is no anulment process. There’s simply a mere formality of notifying the chancery that the first attempted marriage did not meet canonical form.
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thanks for the save. i should have clarified at the beginning that i am talking about non-Catholic weddings
 
choy said:
to add:

that is why those who convert to Catholicism who are married do not get married again, but instead have their marriage convalidated, meaning making the marriage sacramental.

also convalidation brings the effects of the Sacraments to the original point of marriage, not on the day of convalidation. because convalidation recognizes the marraige as valid to begin with, but through convalidation brings that valid marriage into the Church, thus making it sacramental
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That is true of convalidation only in the species of radical sanation although not always. See canon 1161. The simple convalidation of canons 1156-1160 does not have retroactive effect.

It is also wise to distinguish convalidation in those canons from the canonical celebration of marriage in remedy of a marriage celebrated without canonical form or its dispensation. That is not a convalidation as described in the canons, even though the term is commonly applied by canonists and non-canonists.

Those in a valid marriage who convert to Catholicism do not need anything further to be done, as just noted and acknowledged.
 
anonymousgirl said:
Wow some people are really quick to throw the first stone and judge him.
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People are being objective, not judgmental. It is objective to state that he’s using legal loopholes to enter the country and taking advantage of not one, but two women to do so. One woman to enter the country, and another to have potential companionship with. There are legal methods for him to enter the USA (student visa) but he chose this one. That, and the fact that he flirted with you while technically being married, says something about his character.

Oh, and make sure you ask him if he has had relations with his “wife” and their respective sexual histories. You wouldn’t want any other future “surprises”, after all.
 
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