Falcon Heights Shooting

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Sonce we had previously discussed this I saw this article that exposed several of the girlfriends lies.

conservativetribune.com/diamond-reynolds-lies-police/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=TeaParty&utm_content=2016-07-15&utm_campaign=manualpost

Among interest the girlfriend lied about being held all night, she was only held a couple hours. She was provided food and drink and her daughter was even given a teddy bear. A state investigator took $40 out if how own wallet to replace her grocerys that went bad due to the car being taken for evidence.

She also lied about her boyfriend not receiving first aid, indeed he did on the scene by officers.

The girlfriend seems to have maliciously lied in order to defame the officers and make herself look like some great martyr when in fact the officers acted extremely well by anyones standards
 
redbaron162 said:
Sonce we had previously discussed this I saw this article that exposed several of the girlfriends lies.

conservativetribune.com/diamond-reynolds-lies-police/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=TeaParty&utm_content=2016-07-15&utm_campaign=manualpost

Among interest the girlfriend lied about being held all night, she was only held a couple hours. She was provided food and drink and her daughter was even given a teddy bear. A state investigator took $40 out if how own wallet to replace her grocerys that went bad due to the car being taken for evidence.

She also lied about her boyfriend not receiving first aid, indeed he did on the scene by officers.

The girlfriend seems to have maliciously lied in order to defame the officers and make herself look like some great martyr when in fact the officers acted extremely well by anyones standards
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The conservative Tribune? That sounds like a bastion of journalism…
 
jtauke said:
The conservative Tribune? That sounds like a bastion of journalism…
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cnn.com/2016/07/13/us/police-shootings-investigations/

Here is the CNN article, hardly a bastion of conservative journalism. The information was based on an interview with the Roseville police chief, whose officers responded to the shots fired call. Also the local CBS station showed a picture of the responding officers administering CPR, after the governor stated that he had not received medical attention.
 
What it means is that to it is not a valid argument to dismiss something on the basis of its source.

“The reason I disagree with conservatism is because conservatives are arguing for it” is a rather silly way to enter a discussion actually, but it has become so common that people think that they are actually being pithy and witty by the mere fact they can make such statements.
 
SuperLuigi said:
Discuss the issues, not user accounts.
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Now, now. It’s not your job to scold people, but I digress.

I should be able to call into question the legitimacy of a source without claims of logical fallacies.

Back on the topic. Have any reputable sources claimed the man didn’t have a permit for his gun?
 
The problem with lying is that the lies will always come out, whether you are a police officer, or a witness. Unfortunately, once it is shown that one will lie as to cover up a bad shooting, or to smear police, credibility is lost in other testimony.

There was a list floating around about ten things that could be done to reform law enforcement. Like most human endeavors, it is easier to point at others and tell them what to do than to reform oneself. At the top of my list would be to stop lying just to get police in trouble. If law enforcement is so bad, there should be some clear situations that do not require lies to address.
 
jtauke said:
The conservative Tribune? That sounds like a bastion of journalism…
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So are you claiming the interview didn’t take place? Or are you claiming that the police chief lied? Are you also claiming that the video of the police administering CPR was fake ?
 
jtauke said:
Now, now. It’s not your job to scold people, but I digress.

I should be able to call into question the legitimacy of a source without claims of logical fallacies.

Back on the topic. Have any reputable sources claimed the man didn’t have a permit for his gun?
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Except that I provided an alternate source that should have laid to rest your concerns about the other source provided.

He did have a permit for a gun from Hennepin County, but I thought we were discussing the girl friends statements. about him receiving medical care and about her being detained by the police.

There was some initial confusion, because the Ramsey County office, did not issue him a permit, so they correcty said we didn’t issue him a permit, but since names of permit holders are not pubic, he could not say if Castile had been issued a permit from another county. It now appears that he was issued one from Hennepin County, when he lived in Richfield(?)
 
pnewton said:
The problem with lying is that the lies will always come out, whether you are a police officer, or a witness. Unfortunately, once it is shown that one will lie as to cover up a bad shooting, or to smear police, credibility is lost in other testimony.

There was a list floating around about ten things that could be done to reform law enforcement. Like most human endeavors, it is easier to point at others and tell them what to do than to reform oneself. At the top of my list would be to stop lying just to get police in trouble. If law enforcement is so bad, there should be some clear situations that do not require lies to address.
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People do not trust the system to take care of itself.

While there are certainly many places where the system has failed, this is the false narrative that has come out of the WH too for the last eight years, that the facts are not all that important, since the problem is systemic.

And if the problem is systemic to where the POTUS himself can portray himself as being on the outside looking in, jigging the facts to fight the Man becomes an option for many.

Of course it is all a downward spiral that people get caught up in.

The problem is not the police. The problem is not the system. The source of the problem lies in the high crime rates of inner city communities, and without the basic building blocks of functional communities, which are intact families, fixing the police will not change anything.

It is not as if Baltimore or Dallas suffer from lack of diversity in the people running the system. It is not as if the POTUS itself is not diverse. Changing the system even more will solve very little.
 
jtauke said:
Now, now. It’s not your job to scold people, but I digress.

I should be able to call into question the legitimacy of a source without claims of logical fallacies.
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You should be able to cite an actual reason actual reason for questioning the legitimacy of the source instead of a dislike for the name then.
 
Darryl1958 said:
People do not trust the system to take care of itself.

While there are certainly many places where the system has failed, this is the false narrative that has come out of the WH too for the last eight years, that the facts are not all that important, since the problem is systemic.
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Not all understand how society changes. Legislative changes are like a little rudder on a big ship. The idea that racism is institutionalized is true, obvious and utterly irrelevant. Everything that we collectively do as a society is institutionalized. Diversity is also institutionalized, as is the professional backlash against bad cops within law enforcement itself. Yes, we still have racists, just like we still have nazis and flat-earthers. The point remains, they are not mainstream and the value they represent is fought by pretty much everyone.

We can look at the wrongs done as evidence that we need reform, but if we do so without historical perspective, then we become useless as an instrument of change. This is the path the BLM movement is taking. If a black mayor, a black chief of police, even a black president does not prevent all police shootings, how in the world would another layer of elected bureaucracy do anymore?

My own opinion? We should take the best of suggestions and disregard the silliest, most impractical ones, made by this current movement. A few years back, it was dash cams, then body cams. Okay. We are heading toward better monitoring. We have in the last decade ended all official racial profiling, decreased informal racial profiling, and started monitoring statistics that involve race, from traffic stops to sentencing. Civil rights activist thought these to be panaceas to racism at one time. Now we really should all know there is no easy answer.
 
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