False Prophets the most used comeback!

[vsedriver]

“WHOLE” Truth means there is nothing more to say.

If Catholicism has the whole Truth, why can it not provide a solution to:

1. It’s own tainted history of problems, and
2. The problems of humanity as a whole.

Whole Truth would address these two simple issues immediately.
.

The Whole Truth does have the solution. The solution is for each of us to be more Christlike in our behavior. You do that by following the teachings handed down to us by Jesus Christ through his Church.

Alas, some are weak and willful and chose to ignore Christ and his teachings. They prefer to give into sin. It is sin that causes the problems of humanity as a whole.

 

[Servant19]

The Whole Truth does have the solution. The solution is for each of us to be more Christlike in our behavior. You do that by following the teachings handed down to us by Jesus Christ through his Church.

While I totally agree with this, it is evident that there is more than this required. For two main reasons:

1. Christianity has proven over its long history that it has no system by which “being Christlike” can be brought to the masses and SUSTAINED. It has succeeded sporadically to create some saints, but how do we empower and sustain the spiritual heights of a nation of saints, or as Baha’u’llah plans, a global community of saints?
2. A large body of mankind have failed to understand what “being Christ-like” actually looks like and how it translates into our works, and how that translates to salvation…

Jesus brought salvation to me, by sacrificing Himself.
Baha’u’llah teaches to me how to sacrifice myself to bring salvation to others.

This is the Kingdom which was promised…

Alas, some are weak and willful and chose to ignore Christ and his teachings. They prefer to give into sin. It is sin that causes the problems of humanity as a whole.

The prevention of this fall is what Baha’u’llah has gifted to the world through His sacrifice

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[Servant19]

You say that Baha’u’llah represents the “I AM”, I say that Jesus IS the “I AM”.

No, Baha’u’llah too, says He IS the I AM…

Anything apart from Christianity is further from Jesus, who is the I AM, so the
Baha’i Faith IS leading people astray. It is taking away the Deity of Jesus. The
Resurrection is also denied, it perverts the doctrines in the Bible, and so much
more. Baha’u’llah is leading people astray.

See above…

But the Baha’i Faith is using that passage in its own defense, I’ve seen it throughout
the web during my search.

Where? Can you give me a link to a Bahai website please?

Are the Baha’i lying? Why? Search for it using that link I
provided you. I’ve done my best to make my citations searchable, do likewise.

It is forbidden in the Bahai Faith to lie.

“Truthfulness is the foundation of all human virtues” - Baha’u’llah

Muhammad Nátiq never became Baha’i? Why ever not? Can you find me more
information on him and his Al-Munázarátu’d-Díníyyah? I’m trying, but the infor–
mation on him and his book are very few results, VERY FEW.

No, I am only familiar with Him through Persian cultural traditions. He probably never heard of the Bahai Faith.
His book is in Persian language only, and it has not been translated.
If you wish I may be able to send you some screenshots

I also honour your search for the truth in this regard

I wish you were similarly full of search after reading Church materials

So what you are telling me is that the Baha’i cite a passage
from the Dinkird that does not exist, they made it up. Why?

Again, please show me where? Some Baha’is like me may be familiar with the passage from Nátiq, but who else have you seen quote it?

You’d sacrifice your life for Baha’u’llah, but not to Jesus Christ, nor sacrif-
ice your time to convince me of the existence of a non-existent passage.

I’d willingly sacrifice my life for Jesus

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[Servant19]

No Baha’u’llah nor the Baha’i acknowledge this, that GOD became INCARNATE
and DIED for sins of the world. The Baha’i Faith denies the Son (God The Son)
and according to the Apostle John, they also deny the Father (God The Father),
which they readily do by making him into Baha’u’llah.

So you believe in someone called Jesus, call him the Messiah, but this is not
the same Jesus, nor do you believe in the same God even. Your Jesus is on–
ly a manifestation/creation of some god who at one time was one of TWO.

So you preach a different God, a different Jesus, a totally
different Gospel. So that is both wicked and blasphemous.

Oh also, who is the “Promised One” in Christianity?
You never answered that. And please cite your source.

If I may address a few simple things

I wish to remind you again that John never talked about the Father in the passages you cited.

Secondly, Baha’is do not believe that Jesus is one of two, the Holy Spirit is full acknowledged and revered.

Thirdly, the Promised One is a generic term used to describe the One awaited by all religions.

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[Judas_Thaddeus]

No, Baha’u’llah too, says He IS the I AM…
See above…

I don’t want to call him a liar in this respect, because I don’t know if he actually said those
words there. Show me where he identifies himself with the very God who spoke to Moses.

Where? Can you give me a link to a Bahai website please?

Well here’s a link to a Google search with the phrase " ‘‘thousand two hundred’’ dinkird ",
that phrase only exists on 3-5 google pages of sites, mostly Baha’i. Let me point out yet
again that the search results are rather small, with ALL the Zoroastrian scriptures availa-
ble online, the one you use does not exist:
google.com/search?q=%22thousand+two+hundred%22+dinkird&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&sout=1&ei=hh3lUtrmEOSMygGF7YCgDA&start=0&sa=N&biw=1366&bih=574

It is forbidden in the Bahai Faith to lie.

“Truthfulness is the foundation of all human virtues” - Baha’u’llah

Yet such has happened.

Again, please show me where? Some Baha’is like me may be familiar with the passage from Nátiq, but who else have you seen quote it?

Here it is again:
google.com/search?q=%22thousand+two+hundred%22+dinkird&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&sout=1&ei=hh3lUtrmEOSMygGF7YCgDA&start=0&sa=N&biw=1366&bih=574

I’d willingly sacrifice my life for Jesus

Which Jesus though?

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

I wish to remind you again that John never talked about the Father in the passages you cited.

John did so talk about it:
Who is a liar, but he who denieth that Jesus is the Christ?
This is Antichrist, who denieth the Father, and the Son.
– (1 John 2:22)

Secondly, Baha’is do not believe that Jesus is one of two, the Holy Spirit is full acknowledged and revered.

Maybe my grammar was off or you misread, but I was actually speaking of your god,
who at one point was one of two gods. We Christians call that “polytheism” which is
BAD.

Thirdly, the Promised One is a generic term used to describe the One awaited by all religions.

BUT IN REGARDS TO CHRISTIANITY! Where does the Bible speak of this
“Promised One”? You also failed miserably to cite your source. Now show
me where in the Bible this coming of Baha’u’llah is promised. I assume na-
turally it would be in the New Testament?

 

[tonyfish58]

The Whole Truth does have the solution. The solution is for each of us to be more Christlike in our behavior. You do that by following the teachings handed down to us by Jesus Christ through his Church.

Alas, some are weak and willful and chose to ignore Christ and his teachings. They prefer to give into sin. It is sin that causes the problems of humanity as a whole.

This statement is close to what the intent of this thread was!

I agree that we must follow the Teachings of Christ.

The whole purpose of the Thread was to determine what is a true Prophet. All the rejection I can see to date is related to Doctrine and Doctrine only.

If we put up the Fruits of Christ that are not Doctrine, one can soon find that all the True Prophets of God have produced the same Fruit. Their Trees of Faith have Flourished and their Word been a guide unto mankind.

May God guide mankind to to see past the man made differences and Look with the eye of Oneness!

Regards Tony

 

[vsedriver]

While I totally agree with this, it is evident that there is more than this required. For two main reasons:

 

[vsedriver]

This statement is close to what the intent of this thread was!

I agree that we must follow the Teachings of Christ.

The whole purpose of the Thread was to determine what is a true Prophet. All the rejection I can see to date is related to Doctrine and Doctrine only.

If we put up the Fruits of Christ that are not Doctrine, one can soon find that all the True Prophets of God have produced the same Fruit. Their Trees of Faith have Flourished and their Word been a guide unto mankind.

May God guide mankind to to see past the man made differences and Look with the eye of Oneness!

Regards Tony

I think you misunderstand what doctrine is. Doctrine is an understanding of the teachings of Christ. To reject doctrine taught by Christ’s church is to reject Christ’s teachings.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

In Catholicism there are no new divine revelations apart from the incarnate Word of God made flesh (Jesus Christ) and his original apostles, until Jesus returns fulfilling what He already revealed to our humanity. No angel, nor saint cannot ever preach another gospel of Jesus, these are considered accursed per scripture revelation. When angels or Catholic saints have appeared such as a Church approved apparition, the same gospel of Jesus message is never contradicted and repentance and prayer are encouraged to the visionary. Christian now have a divine mediator between God and man His name is Jesus Christ.

If any prophet brings another divine revelation or a different gospel that conflicts with Jesus revelations, miracles and teachings. We are instructed by the written Word of God and providence to run from these and not open our doors to them. Muhammad brought a new divine revelation that conflicts with Jesus Christ, Joseph Smith brought another gospel of Jesus Christ that never measure’s up to the teachings of the True Jesus Christ.

Thus many false prophets have come and gone in the 2000 years of the Catholic Church. She has heard them and discerned them, with a scrutiny that protects the flock of Jesus Christ whom He has placed in Her care as He does from heaven. We must also be careful of the most dangerous of all new teachings that has the power to tickle the ear and lead many sheep away from the communion of God Himself. I don’t mind hearing what a person has to say, so long as the new teaching does not discredit others in order for self gain, such as the SDA’S main teaching focuses on attacking the Catholic Church and Her Popes and bishops and profits from it . If its a discipline to love your enemy love your neighbor and to love God the prophet will not fade away with time. For the latter fulfills the prophets and the law.

 

[Servant19]

I don’t want to call him a liar in this respect, because I don’t know if he actually said those
words there. Show me where he identifies himself with the very God who spoke to Moses.

Please read my signature below (in blue writing). That is one of the quotes from Baha’u’llah.

My friend, you seem to consistently dismiss this critical reality:
**
“For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.”** John 12:49

It is therefore evident that when Jesus said “Before Abraham was, I AM” it is not Jesus speaking, it is the Father speaking.

No-one knows the Father, and His identity is eternal, and if He cac make Jesus say these Words, then He can mkae Baha’u’llah say these Words. (and as you know Baha’u’llah’s identity is affiliated with the Father)

Well here’s a link to a Google search with the phrase " ‘‘thousand two hundred’’ dinkird ",
that phrase only exists on 3-5 google pages of sites, mostly Baha’i. Let me point out yet
again that the search results are rather small, with ALL the Zoroastrian scriptures availa-
ble online, the one you use does not exist:
google.com/search?q=%22thousand+two+hundred%22+dinkird&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&sout=1&ei=hh3lUtrmEOSMygGF7YCgDA&start=0&sa=N&biw=1366&bih=574

3-5 google pages?
I looked through a lot of them and noticed none were official Baha’i websites, many many were anti-Baha’i websites.
(I wonder if you frequent anti-Catholic websites to gain knowledge about Catholicism?)
There is also a link to a book available on Amazon which was not written by a Baha’i and he quotes this Zoroastrian tradition too, so its not just Baha’is quoting it.

Either way, there is no official Baha’i document that quotes this Zoroastrian tradition, so to say that it is “mostly Baha’is” quoting it may or may not be true, its just an opportunity taken to attack the Baha’i Faith…please try and attack based on facts rather than assumptions

Yet such has happened.

Please see above

Here it is again:
google.com/search?q=%22thousand+two+hundred%22+dinkird&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&sout=1&ei=hh3lUtrmEOSMygGF7YCgDA&start=0&sa=N&biw=1366&bih=574

Thankyou

Which Jesus though?

Not sure, but are you certain that the Jesus you worship is the one that Jesus Himself would have wanted you to worship?

Every religion goes into decline…

.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

My friend, you seem to consistently dismiss this critical reality:**
“For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.”** John 12:49
It is therefore evident that when Jesus said “Before Abraham was, I AM” it is not Jesus speaking, it is the Father speaking.
No-one knows the Father, and His identity is eternal, and if He cac make Jesus say these Words, then He can mkae Baha’u’llah say these Words. (and as you know Baha’u’llah’s identity is affiliated with the Father)

I see, then it is the Father who said “For I did not speak on my own,
but the Father who sent me…”, I mean how do you decide where to
draw the line between what Jesus says and what the Father says?
Need I remind you also of Zechariah 12? Jesus and the Father (who
is not Baha’u’llah) are the SAME DIVINE BEING: GOD!

3-5 google pages?
I looked through a lot of them and noticed none were official Baha’i websites, many many were anti-Baha’i websites.
(I wonder if you frequent anti-Catholic websites to gain knowledge about Catholicism?)
There is also a link to a book available on Amazon which was not written by a Baha’i and he quotes this Zoroastrian tradition too, so its not just Baha’is quoting it.

Either way, there is no official Baha’i document that quotes this Zoroastrian tradition, so to say that it is “mostly Baha’is” quoting it may or may not be true, its just an opportunity taken to attack the Baha’i Faith…please try and attack based on facts rather than assumptions

I guess I should have said “mostly Baha’i related”, either way the fictional passage
you gave, as a fiction, does not exist. And I just double checked, there is no link to
Amazon there in that Google Search.

NONE were official Baha’i websites?

• bahai-library.com/
• bahaitext.info/
• (Not “Official” but)
• dailybahaiverses.blogspot.com/
• bahai-story.johorbahruinfo.com/
• malaysian-bahai.johorbahruinfo.com/

Now which ones where anti-Baha’i?

So, if there are “no official Baha’i document that
quotes this Zoroastrian tradition”, then why did
you quote it? Why do other Baha’i quote it?
You brought it up, not me.

Not sure, but are you certain that the Jesus you worship is the one that Jesus Himself would have wanted you to worship?

Nah-Ah!
You answer certainly first.

Oh and you have yet to show me where this “Promised One” of Christianity is found in the Bible.
Baha’i said that Baha’u’llah is the “Promised One” of ALL (major) Religions.
Where does Christianity promise Baha’u’llah?

 

[tonyfish58]

In Catholicism there are no new divine revelations apart from the incarnate Word of God made flesh (Jesus Christ) and his original apostles, until Jesus returns fulfilling what He already revealed to our humanity. No angel, nor saint cannot ever preach another gospel of Jesus, these are considered accursed per scripture revelation. When angels or Catholic saints have appeared such as a Church approved apparition, the same gospel of Jesus message is never contradicted and repentance and prayer are encouraged to the visionary. Christian now have a divine mediator between God and man His name is Jesus Christ.

If any prophet brings another divine revelation or a different gospel that conflicts with Jesus revelations, miracles and teachings. We are instructed by the written Word of God and providence to run from these and not open our doors to them. Muhammad brought a new divine revelation that conflicts with Jesus Christ, Joseph Smith brought another gospel of Jesus Christ that never measure’s up to the teachings of the True Jesus Christ.

Thus many false prophets have come and gone in the 2000 years of the Catholic Church. She has heard them and discerned them, with a scrutiny that protects the flock of Jesus Christ whom He has placed in Her care as He does from heaven. We must also be careful of the most dangerous of all new teachings that has the power to tickle the ear and lead many sheep away from the communion of God Himself. I don’t mind hearing what a person has to say, so long as the new teaching does not discredit others in order for self gain, such as the SDA’S main teaching focuses on attacking the Catholic Church and Her Popes and bishops and profits from it . If its a discipline to love your enemy love your neighbor and to love God the prophet will not fade away with time. For the latter fulfills the prophets and the law.

There are pages and pages of Quotes as to what to watch out for for False Prophets, there is just as many as how to find, Judge and accept a True Prophet.

If there was not to be another True Prophet, why warn about False Prophets and why tell you how to recognize a True one?

One has to consider how deep the error of our thoughts penetrated our core beliefs. This could be why there are so many warnings, consider this passage;

2 Peter 2:1 - But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

What if the error of interpretation started early and has penetrated deep into the faith of Christ, would this not support all the warnings?

It may not be as clear cut as one would hope! Every day we can learn more about God. Every day we can then realize more and more that we are smaller than the black in the eye of a dead ant compared to the vastness of this universe and of Gods Knowledge and Revelations.

May the One and Only God open all our Hearts to His message of Oneness and Unity. May we all work towards this aim. :bowdown2:

God Bless & Regards Tony

 

[vsedriver]

Every religion goes into decline…

.

If that is true than there is no Truth to find and to know. In which case there is no reason to believe in any religion.

Either God revealed his Truth to us fully or we are just being lied to and deceived and all are false prophets.

God said he would not leave us orphans. The Holy Spirit protects and guides his church. Christianity will not go into a decline. Some denominations may come and go but the One True Holy Apostolic Catholic Church will remain. The deposit of faith is available to all who seek the knowlege that Christ gave to his church.

 

[vsedriver]

What if the error of interpretation started early and has penetrated deep into the faith of Christ, would this not support all the warnings?

Scripture says this can’t happen. For the Church to teach error then the gates of Hell will have prevailed against her. We have been promised that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church.

 

[Servant19]

Scripture says this can’t happen. For the Church to teach error then the gates of Hell will have prevailed against her. We have been promised that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church.

Of course the gates of Hell have not prevailed against the Church dear friend

The light of God still shines very strongly through the Church, let there be no doubt. Look at the Blessed Pope, he shines like a beacon in a dark world. No, the love of God is strong here

What changes is humanity. With progress and advancement of social consciousness comes the need for advancements and progress in the applications of Gods eternal Laws and Teachings.

It is the NEED for this applicability of Gods nature into society and into community that man “interprets” according to a NEED.

There was a NEED for the collection of peoples gathered at Nicea.

However, as the Bible has indicated, there WILL be TRUE PROPHETS that will be sent from God who will provide authoritative guidance on Divine applications on the eternal Laws, not “man-made” applications.

For a Law to be applied to a NEED within society by human beings does not mean that, if it is done in the spirit of love, that the “gates of Hell” are present, no! It means that the love of Christ is present, but that does not indicate that it has not slightly, even a hairs breadth, deviated from God’s true intentions.

For our strongest love, is not a drop in the ocean of God’s love.
Our good will and pure intent is not a single spark compared to the holy fire of Gods goodwill and purity.

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[tonyfish58]

If that is true than there is no Truth to find and to know. In which case there is no reason to believe in any religion.

Either God revealed his Truth to us fully or we are just being lied to and deceived and all are false prophets.

God said he would not leave us orphans. The Holy Spirit protects and guides his church. Christianity will not go into a decline. Some denominations may come and go but the One True Holy Apostolic Catholic Church will remain. The deposit of faith is available to all who seek the knowlege that Christ gave to his church.

Then the Jewish Religion did not Decline and did not need to be Fulfilled in Christ?

Yes God reveals His Truth, but history has shown we mess it about quite a lot

Regards Tony

 

[Servant19]

I see, then it is the Father who said “For I did not speak on my own,
but the Father who sent me…”, I mean how do you decide where to
draw the line between what Jesus says and what the Father says?
Need I remind you also of Zechariah 12? Jesus and the Father (who
is not Baha’u’llah) are the SAME DIVINE BEING: GOD!

Dear friend, as can be seen in the case of Baha’u’llah (and Muhammad for that matter), there are certain instances that God speaks “through” Baha’u’llah as the first Person, and there are times when Baha’u’llah speaks on God’s behalf. (and there are times when Baha’u’llah is engaged in conversation with God)

This has been clarified completely in Baha’u’llahs’ Revelation, and when investigated thoroughly, it gives supreme light onto the nature of Jesus’ relationship with God.

I cannot do that investigative procedure for you. Your spiritual welfare depends upon your own, independent volition and drive to seek this Truth out for yourself. God instilled this drive and will within you, use it!

I have read Zecheriah 12 several times now. I cannot see which verse refers to Jesus and the Father being the same being. Can you please assist my misguidedness

I guess I should have said “mostly Baha’i related”, either way the fictional passage
you gave, as a fiction, does not exist. And I just double checked, there is no link to
Amazon there in that Google Search.

My apologies, it was Google Books, here:
books.google.com.au/books?id=5-nRmv8oCdkC&pg=PA173&lpg=PA173&dq=%22thousand+two+hundred%22+dinkird&source=bl&ots=b2DUW-B6iZ&sig=DNsvwipTOsrrvPjSZ8nyqxSpc4c&hl=en&sa=X&ei=027nUrDYJcmkkgX_kYCYCA&ved=0CEAQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=%22thousand%20two%20hundred%22%20dinkird&f=false

R.J. Konczyk is not a Baha’i. So there are non-Baha’i references to this as well
As well as Muhammad Natiq (who is not someone I would just make up) who is a Zoroastrian poet (I think he is probably the best authority on this available, don’t you?)

As I say I can send you screen shots of the Persian and you can get it translated for yourself.

NONE were official Baha’i websites?

• bahai-library.com/
• bahaitext.info/
• (Not “Official” but)
• dailybahaiverses.blogspot.com/
• bahai-story.johorbahruinfo.com/
• malaysian-bahai.johorbahruinfo.com/

No, none are official Baha’i websites. the bahai-library.com is the most reliable one, and that only contains an official Baha’i letter from the Universal House of Justice which clearly indicates that there is no official source known (as yet) to this Zoroastrian Tradition other than, believe it or not, Muhammad Natiq’s poetry book!!

So, if there are “no official Baha’i document that
quotes this Zoroastrian tradition”, then why did
you quote it? Why do other Baha’i quote it?
You brought it up, not me.

My mistake. I will never quote it again, until I have a reliable source.
But, you know, Judas, this is a learning that anecdotal experiences and quotations are not reliable. Word gets around and Truths are shared for them to become half-truths etc etc. Only the authentic Word of God is reliable

Nah-Ah!
You answer certainly first.

Not sure what you mean here brother …

Oh and you have yet to show me where this “Promised One” of Christianity is found in the Bible.
Baha’i said that Baha’u’llah is the “Promised One” of ALL (major) Religions.
Where does Christianity promise Baha’u’llah?

The term “Promised One” is not necessarily exactly and specifically used in all the religious Traditions and Books. It is a term used to indicate that there is “someone” promised to “Return”

For Christians, it was the Return of Jesus
For Muslims, it is the Return of Imam Mahdi and Jesus
For Buddhists, it was the Fifth Buddha
etc etc

Baha’u’llah is the embodiment of all of those “promises”…

.​

 

[tonyfish58]

Scripture says this can’t happen. For the Church to teach error then the gates of Hell will have prevailed against her. We have been promised that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church.

Is this the Rock on which the Church is to be built? - Matthew 16:13 - 16

13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”

14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

Thus was it not belief in Christ as "the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” that is the Rock that forms the Foundation and if you have this it will not be overcome?

Would not I be part of the Assembly/Church if I attest “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” to be true?

Regards Tony

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

Dear friend, as can be seen in the case of Baha’u’llah (and Muhammad for that matter), there are certain instances that God speaks “through” Baha’u’llah as the first Person, and there are times when Baha’u’llah speaks on God’s behalf. (and there are times when Baha’u’llah is engaged in conversation with God)

This has been clarified completely in Baha’u’llahs’ Revelation, and when investigated thoroughly, it gives supreme light onto the nature of Jesus’ relationship with God.

I cannot do that investigative procedure for you. Your spiritual welfare depends upon your own, independent volition and drive to seek this Truth out for yourself. God instilled this drive and will within you, use it!

In other words, where ever it is convenient in the Baha’i Faith to make Jesus’
words Jesus’ or God’s, is where you draw the line. Context matters not?

I have read Zecheriah 12 several times now. I cannot see which verse refers to Jesus and the Father being the same being. Can you please assist my misguidedness

Let me zoom in then:And I will pour out upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace, and of prayers: and they shall look upon me, whom they have pierced: and they shall mourn for him as one mourneth for an only son, and they shall grieve over him, as the manner is to grieve for the death of the firstborn. In that day there shall be a great lamentation in Jerusalem like the lamentation of Adadremmon in the plain of Mageddon. And the land shall mourn: families and families apart: the families of the house of David apart, and their women apart: The families of the house of Nathan apart, and their women apart: the families of the house of Levi apart, and their women apart: the families of Semei apart, and their women apart. All the rest of the families, families and families apart, and their women apart.
– (Zechariah 12:10-14)
Chapter 12 is a prophecy is talking about the End of Days, the speaker of YHWH who
is the Divine Creator, not manifestation, and when he comes, the inhabitants of Israel
will see YHWH whom they have pierced, who is Jesus, not Baha’u’llah. The Speaker
continues to speak about him, proceeding from first person to third person, “look up-
on me” to “mourn for HIM”, still in context speaking of YHWH, as well as Jesus who
is the same being. Read Chapter 12 again.

Don’t think Zechariah is talking about Jesus? Cross reference then with John,Behold, he cometh with the clouds, and **every eye shall see him, and **
they also that pierced him. And all the tribes of the earth shall be-
wail themselves because of him. Even so. Amen.
– (Revelation 1:7)

My apologies, it was Google Books, here:
books.google.com.au/books?id=5-nRmv8oCdkC&pg=PA173&lpg=PA173&dq=%22thousand+two+hundred%22+dinkird&source=bl&ots=b2DUW-B6iZ&sig=DNsvwipTOsrrvPjSZ8nyqxSpc4c&hl=en&sa=X&ei=027nUrDYJcmkkgX_kYCYCA&ved=0CEAQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=%22thousand%20two%20hundred%22%20dinkird&f=false

R.J. Konczyk is not a Baha’i. So there are non-Baha’i references to this as well
As well as Muhammad Natiq (who is not someone I would just make up) who is a Zoroastrian poet (I think he is probably the best authority on this available, don’t you?)

As I say I can send you screen shots of the Persian and you can get it translated for yourself.

You will notice that the page brought up Moses, Krishna, Zoroaster, Buddha, etc,
progressive revelations, manifestations, and so forth, 1800s, and how some eight
pages before appears “To the people of Israel that person is Moses; to the Hindu,
it is Krishna; to the Zoroastrians, Zoroaster; to the Buddhists, it is Buddha; to the
Christians,Jesus the Christ; to the Muslims, it is Muhammad and to the Bahá’ís,
it is Bahá’u’lláh” (page 165)… it is talking Baha’i here.
You might not have made up Muhammad Natiq yourself, but again I find hardly
anything that tells me of his existence beyond mostly Baha’i sources. Perhaps
then you should send the Persian to me please. No screen shots though, just
the links.

Not sure what you mean here brother …

You said you’d sacrifice your life for Jesus, I asked which one.
You then answered “not sure,” but then proceeded about what
I believed instead, and I don’t like how that is being turned.

The term “Promised One” is not necessarily exactly and specifically used in all the religious Traditions and Books. It is a term used to indicate that there is “someone” promised to “Return”

For Christians, it was the Return of Jesus
For Muslims, it is the Return of Imam Mahdi and Jesus
For Buddhists, it was the Fifth Buddha
etc etc

Baha’u’llah is the embodiment of all of those “promises”…

Which brings us back to Zechariah 12, which tells us that this return of Jesus will not oc-
cur until the End of Days, and by then we will be able to identify him, by the holes in his
hands, feet, even by his side which was pierced.