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AngryAtheist8
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But the worst examples are not isolated incidents.
Muslim theocracies more or less universally treat women like inferior beings.
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Muslim theocracies more or less universally treat women like inferior beings.
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Rich_Olszewski
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Their reasoning was more noble than that of the Taliban. Agree with you about our involvement. Is there anyone who can say that we did right for supporting the fundamentalists?
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mark_a
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Which brings Pope Benedict’s Regensburg speech to mind where he quoted Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Paleologus (1391).
“Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”
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Kouyate42
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I will research the strength of the isnad of this hadith and the context before commenting further.
Exactly.
When my wife some years ago underwent extensive surgery for her cancer (she’s 4b and it’s almost a miracle that she’s still alive this long), two of the fathers of the Moslem children she was teaching, who were setting out on the Haj came to her to tell her that they would be praying for her when they got to Mecca. Not exactly the sort who would feel that they were obligated to kill their wives.
Not this again! Islam was NOT spread by the sword, and to say so is pure ignorance (and I’m not bothered WHO said it).
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LemonAndLime
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There are traditions, but no hard and fast rules. Within the traditions are people who disagree with each other.
Well, if you think women should be happy not to vote, not to able to drive, go out in public alone, then more power to you.
Where did I say that I think that women should be happy to not have rights? It’s a fact that some women are happy with it. I did not express an opinion I agreed with them. Perhaps you should see your opticians, as you cannot read my posts.
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Kouyate42
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Please don’t argue…
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AngryAtheist8
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Its not a question of whether or not Islam actively commands its adherents to kill their wives (and daughters). It is a question of whether or not Islam excuses and/or allows a man to kill his wife and daughters.
The evidence coming from places like Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia suggests that the answer is yes (it does excuse a man murdering his female relatives).
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AngryAtheist8
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Saying “you will be in my prayers” is a stock phrase and doesn’t necessarily mean much.Not at all. The Qu’ran nowhere puts an obligation on husbands to kill their wives. Though they be Moslems, there are fathers who love their wives and children and vice versa and who show charity to non-Moslems.
When my wife some years ago underwent extensive surgery for her cancer (she’s 4b and it’s almost a miracle that she’s still alive this long), two of the fathers of the Moslem children she was teaching, who were setting out on the Haj came to her to tell her that they would be praying for her when they got to Mecca. Not exactly the sort who would feel that they were obligated to kill their wives.
Heck, I used to say it all the time before I came out as an atheist.
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AngryAtheist8
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Isn’t it naive and arrogant to assume that everyone who belongs to a good/evil group must uniformly be good/evil themselves (just like their group)?Well, which is it, Christine? Evil, evil force or a religion that has many caring adherents who do good?
People are more complicated than that.
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AngryAtheist8
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I think the Soviets were more noble than the Taliban.
Although that is admittedly a very low bar:shrug:
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Rich_Olszewski
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Yes, that can be true, but the fact that these men went out of their way to visit and make that promise indicates that they weren’t just saying that perfunctorily.
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AngryAtheist8
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Just because there are some good Muslims does not mean that Islam itself is good (the same principal applies to Christianity).I will research the strength of the isnad of this hadith and the context before commenting further.
Exactly.
Not this again! Islam was NOT spread by the sword, and to say so is pure ignorance (and I’m not bothered WHO said it).
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AngryAtheist8
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Some people may have happy (or at least somewhat content and resigned to their situation) being slaves. Does that make slavery acceptable?
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AngryAtheist8
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That’s kind of the point of a debate:shrug:
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Kouyate42
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Islam IS a religion of peace, and the grand majority of Muslims live peaceful, law-abiding lives.
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LemonAndLime
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Did I say it was acceptable?
Did I say I agreed with it?
No.
Someone said the Saudi women aren’t happy with how things are. I showed that some in fact like it. That’s it. I wish people would stop accusing me of holding opinions I haven’t expressed.
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AngryAtheist8
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From what I can recall the Soviets usually referred to themselves as peacing loving too.
Slogans don’t prove anything.
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AngryAtheist8
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You appeared to be acting as an apologist with regard to the Saudi treatment of women:shrug:
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mark_a
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Lord have mercy.
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Kouyate42
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It’s a thing called the truth. Islam has VERY strict rules on warfare, and peace is generally the preferred option in all cases.
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