Far right marchers rally amid tensions over Woolrich killing

[meltzerboy]

To Broomwaggon.
Please be careful with this. The EDL are very much a bunch of violent, ignorant thugs, who hate anyone that isn’t White and “British”. It would seem that they are not very different from the BNP. I saw one interview a while back with a person claimin to be EDL, who was spouting such horrible stuff about “them muslamics”. - I kid you not. THAT is the EDL, they will, if they can, use the current racial tensions in the UK as a platform to start a race war with the ultimate intentions of “sending them all back to their country”. (in this context “them” would mean; black people, Asian people, Jewish people, come to think of it ALL non pure Anglo-Saxons.)
It’s one thing for angry people to protest against extremist-jihadist-corruptions of Islam, it’s another thing altogether to defend or support the EDL.
I don’t think one can support or even defend such people on here with a catholic conscience. It would be AS BAD as defending g the jihadists who butchered that poor soldier.
(May God grant him eternal rest and comfort his family.)
Also from what I’ve seen on tv, and read In the news, our media are failing to distinguish between the SMALL minority of Muslims who support extremist ideas, and the VAST MAJORITY of British Muslims who hate terrorism as much as everyone else.

God bless and pray for peace.

Paul

I recall seeing a story about the English Defense League on the show “60 Minutes.” They seem to be a terrorist organization, not too different from the IRA and the JDL (Jewish Defense League), but of course with different goals. However, it’s the same kind of ethnic cleansing that the EDL advocates. Enough said.

 

[ringil]

Why do some people have xenophobic attitudes? It is a bad thing and Galatians 3:28 said:

Who has been arrested in the Tea Party? Which Tea Party protests have been violent? Tea Party is not comparable in its platform or the behavior of Tea Party members to the english defense league.

Well, uh. . . gosh, thanks Abyssinia- it appears we agree here.

 

[estesbob]

You’re lucky, I live in the most dangerous area of England, the deepest, darkest suburbia known, to some, as ‘Midsomer’.

One of our favorite series. In fact were are watching one tonight.!

 

[ringil]

“Not Racist, Not Violent, No Longer Silent” is one of their mottos. The protest was in fact, planned ahead of time in Newcastle but they nonetheless, could accentuate the terrible act in London and protest it. There are blacks in the EDL. They may be hooligans but still have the right to protest peacefully.

Well GOSH!! if that’s their “motto” I guess we don’t have anything to worry about!

 

[ringil]

When a big liberal like John Cleese can notice something is seriously wrong, you know it’s bad youtube.com/watch?v=WJheODYpuEI

                                  Prediction, you're going to see alot more riots in the near future.

Well, this is certainly the aim of the EDL.

 

[Seamus_L]

They don’t have the EDL in Sweden, but they’ve had almost a week of firebomb attacks, and it’s not the Swedes doing it.

 

[JustaServant]

They are also defending a nation where the native people, the English and Scottish could become a minority in their own country by 2040, 2050, that might not be a problem if those coming were honorable faithful citizens. Death and Graying of the West.

A few individual protestors maybe and those charges are not always to be believed that are made against them, just like some people targetted the Tea Party and accused them of racism.

At least someone is defending their own country and pointing out an evil that happened.

And Newcastle is way North and is somewhat removed from what goes on in London and other places.

Speechless.
Not surprised.
But speechless.

 

[ringil]

Speechless.
Not surprised.
But speechless.

It’s amazing the stuff one can read around here isn’t it?

 

[JustaServant]

It’s amazing the stuff one can read around here isn’t it?

Today I sighed and turned off CAF.
My wife asked ‘whats wrong’?
I said it just amazes me that, while I think I am living in the twenty-first century, some people on this forum seem to have mindsets still in the sixth century. One would think WW2, the Holocaust, the Civil War, the Civil rights movement, never happened. It’s almost as if some here long for the days when people walked in abjuct darkness. When hate and fear led to war and bloodshed. Some even seem to long for it. The Catholic Church and its stand on social justice, standing up for the unborn and the oppressed, standing up for peace is ignored.
We really need at this hour to listen to the Church, and not Fox News.

 

[MidnightSun12]

It’s amazing the stuff one can read around here isn’t it?

All respect intended, but it seems wrong to start a contentious topic that invites a certain type of response from more traditional-minded Catholics and then rail against the first poster who takes the bait.

Unfortunately, I am far from innocent in my conduct on past threads… so perhaps I am not one to talk. That said, I just think we could be setting a higher bar then this on CAF.

 

[ringil]

Today I sighed and turned off CAF.
My wife asked ‘whats wrong’?
I said it just amazes me that, while I think I am living in the twenty-first century, some people on this forum seem to have mindsets still in the sixth century. One would think WW2, the Holocaust, the Civil War, the Civil rights movement, never happened. It’s almost as if some here long for the days when people walked in abjuct darkness. When hate and fear led to war and bloodshed. Some even seem to long for it. The Catholic Church and its stand on social justice, standing up for the unborn and the oppressed, standing up for peace is ignored.
We really need at this hour to listen to the Church, and not Fox News.

My wife hates me being on CAF because I come to her with “OMG!! You can’t believe what these people are saying!!” She tells me it’s not good for me and she is right. It’s like an addiction for me.

One thing though- CAF is nothing like the Church IRL. Never even heard people say the kinds of things spouted around here. It’s nuts.

 

[ringil]

All respect intended, but it seems wrong to start a contentious topic that invites a certain type of response from more traditional-minded Catholics and then rail against the first poster who takes the bait.

Unfortunately, I am far from innocent in my conduct on past threads… so perhaps I am not one to talk. That said, I just think we could be setting a higher bar then this on CAF.

I am “traditionally minded”. I say my prayers in Latin sometimes. I attend the TLM periodically. I don’t like modern church architecture or music. Heck, I study the Middle Ages as one element of my hobby.

I sure as heck don’t have any sympathy for fascists though, and I don’t see any intrinsic value in keeping Europe white.

I do like presenting these types of topics though- to see what CAF members will voice their opinions.

 

[MidnightSun12]

I do like presenting these types of topics though- to see what CAF members will voice their opinions.

If nothing else, it is providing people with an occasion of sin.

 

[BroomWagon]

I sure as heck don’t have any sympathy for fascists though, and I don’t see any intrinsic value in keeping Europe white.

And that sure is heck just your take.

Hey, maybe the Middle East can become Christian again. Oh wait.

I do like presenting these types of topics though- to see what CAF members will voice their opinions.

I know what you mean, as the thread on the initial story on this poor man does not have one post by you.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=789662

Who Posted?

 

[estesbob]

And that sure is heck just your take.

Hey, maybe the Middle East can become Christian again. Oh wait.

I know what you mean, as the thread on the initial story on this poor man does not have one post by you.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=789662

Obviously a lot of people are using this tragic death to push their own political agenda.

 

[rlg94086]

My wife hates me being on CAF because I come to her with “OMG!! You can’t believe what these people are saying!!” She tells me it’s not good for me and she is right. It’s like an addiction for me.

One thing though- CAF is nothing like the Church IRL. Never even heard people say the kinds of things spouted around here. It’s nuts.

My wife feels the same way after I share your posts with her. The difference is that we used to think like you when we were younger…

 

[oldcelt]

Oldcelt, do you know the difference between “Britains” and “Britons”?
Britains is the name given to inhabitants of these isles by the Romans.

Much later the “brittons” (Bretons?) invaded the uk as you stated. If you are a Celt as your name implies then you truly are a Britain, not a briton.

Peace

I do know the difference, but exactly where my family tree hits is still uncertain. So far, we have had more success on the Germanic side of the family. The Celts we only have back to the mid 1700s near Ennis, County Clare. They may have been among the invading hordes…or much later, or much earlier.
That is what I find so fascinating about history in the British Isles…there is so much of it when compared to relatively short written history in the Americas.

 

[Filii_Dei]

It’s easy to sympathise with the EDL simply because they are protesting the Islamisation of Europe, which is a reasonable thing to oppose, but it easily glosses over the fact that the EDL is not simply against Islamisation. They are a threat to fellow Europeans and Christians as well.

In fact, the EDL is hardly an ally to Catholics. One must understand that their primary objective to is to oppose anything they consider not English, and this is why they get their reputation for unbridled hatred and racism. They have attacked, taunted and even outright assaulted fellow Christians and Catholics simply for not being English, including Polish Catholics. While the Poles may be some of the most devout Catholics in the world, this fact is irrelevant to the EDL as they only see the non-Englishness of Poles as reason enough to consider them scum. This is one of the reasons why Eastern Europeans are one of the most vulnerable to EDL-provoked crime. Even Blacks and Asians are fair game for them, even if they are Catholics. It is ironic that despite the Catholic Church being the original faith of Europe and Britain, they seem to have no regard for that fact. It seems that despite the EDL leader being of Irish Catholic upbringing, his political positions do not identify with either. His support of Catholics seem to be conditional on them being of English ethnicity, and any love for Irish is only if they are Unionist.

If one wishes to protest Islamisation, there are hundreds of other organisations that are better suited to a good Catholic. The EDL is simply nothing more than fascism in populist disguise.

 

[Seamus_L]

Support for groups like the EDL would be very minimal, if the government and police took a firm stand against immigrant rioters in France, UK, Sweden, etc, but they still refuse to. France 2005 saw countless firebombings, attacks on police stations, and even reported shots fired at police. The England riots of 2011, weren’t much different. Yet were there ever shoot to kill orders given to police in the case of people throwing firebombs ? Of course not, and that’s why increasing numbers of people support groups like the EDL.

 

[ringil]

My wife feels the same way after I share your posts with her. The difference is that we used to think like you when we were younger…

I’m sorry, and a little surprised, if my posts are that shocking to you personally.

Though we often disagree (but sometimes agree) I don’t see you at the fringes of CAF as far as commentary- not by a long shot.