Far right marchers rally amid tensions over Woolrich killing

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JackyB said:
The question that should be asked is why the EDL exist and why are they gaining in popularity? The fact of the matter is that most articles written in connection with the slaughter of the soldier in broad daylight in the middle of the day, in a street in London, have had no comments allowed. The fact is many people are angry about British immigration policies past and present and they want to know what happened, why and what is going to happen in the future. It is never just as simple as name calling the EDL, they exist because past and present government’s are riding roughshod over people’s concerns and passing laws that the majority do not support i.e. homosexual ‘marriage’ together with the inability to stop more immigration in the coming new year from EU membership countries. The EDL come in from some very heavy-handed police intervention simply because in the political correct society that is Britain today they are a far easier target then a terrorist killing soldiers in a street in London.
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This is the best post imo on this whole episode. I just hope authority do not continue to turn a blind ear to all of this. I commend the reasoned well-thought out and compassionate tone.

On a news note, I believe they are protesting again today.
 
JackyB said:
The question that should be asked is why the EDL exist and why are they gaining in popularity? The fact of the matter is that most articles written in connection with the slaughter of the soldier in broad daylight in the middle of the day, in a street in London, have had no comments allowed. The fact is many people are angry about British immigration policies past and present and they want to know what happened, why and what is going to happen in the future. It is never just as simple as name calling the EDL, they exist because past and present government’s are riding roughshod over people’s concerns and passing laws that the majority do not support i.e. homosexual ‘marriage’ together with the inability to stop more immigration in the coming new year from EU membership countries. The EDL come in from some very heavy-handed police intervention simply because in the political correct society that is Britain today they are a far easier target then a terrorist killing soldiers in a street in London.
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Well the Nazi party found ready acceptance due to rampant poverty and feelings of despair in Germany following WWI.

The Bolsheviks started and gained ground due to really injustices and inequality in the economic system of imperial Russia.

Some would say that the KKK begun due to rampant lawlessness following the Civil War.

Even evil groups can start with some valid issues- So?
 
Sarcelle said:
I agree. The British people have expressed concern on the consequences of letting in potentially violent immigrants but their concerns and voices were ignored by the British government in the name of political correctness. At least the EDL has listened to these concerns.
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Immigrants are potentially violent. Native British are potentially violent. Everyone is potentially violent.

Having a homogenous (white) UK, or US, or anywhere has no value to fight for, except for xenophobes and racists.
 
ringil said:
I am “traditionally minded”. I say my prayers in Latin sometimes. I attend the TLM periodically. I don’t like modern church architecture or music. Heck, I study the Middle Ages as one element of my hobby.

I sure as heck don’t have any sympathy for fascists though, and I don’t see any intrinsic value in keeping Europe white.

I do like presenting these types of topics though- to see what CAF members will voice their opinions.
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Do you see any intrinsic value of keeping Africa black? Having lived there for most of my life in 4 different African countries it seems such a shame that keeping Africa black seems precisely the aim of the west.
 
Just_Some_Guy said:
The Muslims are coming for all of us. People will latch on to someone who stands for them. If the EDL is the only group that will do so…
“Normal” Brits, as we saw on the videos the other day, avert their gazes and continue walking down the street.

He does not love the unbelievers (30:45)

O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. (5:51)

Listen not to the unbelievers, but strive (Jihad) against them with the utmost strenuousness. (25:52)

Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies and others besides, whom ye may not know (8:60)

And unto Allah falleth prostrate whosoever is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly (13:15)

We shall punish them gradually from directions they perceive not. (68:44)

Quran (3:56) - “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”

Quran (4:89) - “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”
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Thanks for the post and your post is essentially.

Muslims are scary and believe scary things. Best watch out!
 
ringil said:
Immigrants are potentially violent. Native British are potentially violent. Everyone is potentially violent.

Having a homogenous (white) UK, or US, or anywhere has no value to fight for, except for xenophobes and racists.
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Name calling, hear it all the time from mostly left wing organisations as a way to stop debate.
 
JackyB said:
Do you see any intrinsic value of keeping Africa black? Having lived there for most of my life in 4 different African countries it seems such a shame that keeping Africa black seems precisely the aim of the west.
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There is no intrinsic worth in keeping any nation consisting primarily of any particular cultural group. Demographics are value free.

In Christianity there is no “us” and “them”. ]
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JackyB said:
Name calling, hear it all the time from mostly left wing organisations as a way to stop debate.
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What should one make of a desire to keep a homogenous racial or cultural composition. That is the definition of xenophobia. The preference of one race over the other is one aspect of racism- thinking one race IS better than the other is straight-up racism.

Racism is a sin.
 
JackyB said:
The question that should be asked is why the EDL exist and why are they gaining in popularity? The fact of the matter is that most articles written in connection with the slaughter of the soldier in broad daylight in the middle of the day, in a street in London, have had no comments allowed. The fact is many people are angry about British immigration policies past and present and they want to know what happened, why and what is going to happen in the future. It is never just as simple as name calling the EDL, they exist because past and present government’s are riding roughshod over people’s concerns and passing laws that the majority do not support i.e. homosexual ‘marriage’ together with the inability to stop more immigration in the coming new year from EU membership countries. The EDL come in from some very heavy-handed police intervention simply because in the political correct society that is Britain today they are a far easier target then a terrorist killing soldiers in a street in London.
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Good analysis Reading this thread one would think the EDL had hacked a Muslim to death in the streets of London .
 
BroomWagon said:
Really, who knows when they crossed over the Bering strait.
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Hmm, no one really know for sure when they crossed the Bering strait, but I know for sure it was before Christopher Columbus or Leif Ericson for that matter sailed up to North America.
 
Sarcelle said:
Hmm, no one really know for sure when they crossed the Bering strait, but I know for sure it was before Christopher Columbus or Leif Ericson for that matter sailed up to North America.
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Pretty much but what an odd turn for the thread to take.
 
ringil said:
Immigrants are potentially violent. Native British are potentially violent. Everyone is potentially violent.

Having a homogenous (white) UK, or US, or anywhere has no value to fight for, except for xenophobes and racists.
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Where did I say that I want a white UK or US?

I agree that a homogenous (white) UK or US has no value to fight for, however having a large, productive, law-abiding, and peaceful population is what’s worth fighting for. (no matter the race or belief.)

Question to you, how come we don’t see large scale riots among Hindus or Buddhists?
 
Sarcelle said:
Where did I say that I want a white UK or US?

I agree that a homogenous (white) UK or US has no value to fight for, however having a large, productive, law-abiding, and peaceful population is what’s worth fighting for. (no matter the race or belief.)

Question to you, how come we don’t see large scale riots among Hindus or Buddhists?
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You are exactly right, the Hindus and old India, the Subcontinent, included Pakistan and people from there have been in England forever along with people from Kenya, Nigeria and other parts of what was the Empire, Jamaica, Bahamas too. Those from the Subcontinent have been a large population in the UK since at least, the late 1950s.

The Gurkhas have fought for the British in World War II, the Gurkhas being from, my friend from Nepal tells me in fact, Nepal. Respected soldiers.

Some people don’t seem to have a command of any basic facts and their arguments are an insult to intelligence.
 
Sarcelle said:
Where did I say that I want a white UK or US?

I agree that a homogenous (white) UK or US has no value to fight for, however having a large, productive, law-abiding, and peaceful population is what’s worth fighting for. (no matter the race or belief.)

Question to you, how come we don’t see large scale riots among Hindus or Buddhists?
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I was speaking more generally about the racial issue- which I wholeheartedly believe that the EDL considers important- despite their current motto.

So sorry I didn’t mean to specifically indicate that you desire a homogenous or white England.

And regarding the riots- I don’t know why we don’t see large buddhist or hindu riots. I know that England certainly does see large riots of native British including looting like happened last year.
 
Is the EDL connecting the murder to the number of non-whites living in Britain?

Just wondering.
 
They marched today, let’s see all of this so-called Xenophobic talk.

I think if Ringil asserts certain things which in some ways, seems unrelated to the topic at hand, we should not forget the Democrat party had the Ku Klux Klan as its armed militia wing and the abortion industry so much in favour with the Democrat party, per some sources the abortion industry aborts African American children by a rate of 5 times more than that of whites.
 
BroomWagon said:
They marched today, let’s see all of this so-called Xenophobic talk.

I think if Ringil asserts certain things, we should not forget the Democrat party had the Ku Klux Klan as its armed militia wing and the abortion industry so much in favour with the Democrat party aborts African American children by a rate of 5 times more than that of whites.
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Now you’re making it personal.
And that is uncharitable/
How do you know Ringil is a Democrat?
BTW, saying the KKK was the “armed militia wing” of the Democratic party is waaaaay over the top and certainly not historically accurate.
 
War Memorials Vandalised
Vandals have attacked two of Britain’s most celebrated war memorials, apparently daubing them with the word “Islam” and covering over inscriptions.
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Just happened, I suppose somehow we will see this tied into not wanting a “non-white” Europe again :rolleyes: :confused: and some will ignore the facts. Yes, true, Culprits have not been caught.
 
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