Fate of Eastern Catholic Churches if Orthodox are Reconciled

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I wouldn’t be too concerned over the fate of the Eastern Catholic Churches because re-union isn’t happening anytime soon. We’re just too different in our beliefs to work things out, and I can’t envision that changing in the near future.
Orthodox I've spoken with have major problems with the Papacy, the Immaculate Conception, and Fatima and St Josaphat, at least in Ukraine and Russia. Catholics have major problems with divorce and contraception.
 
How much activity has occured to support this movement toward reconciliation? From what everyone hears.
 
What? They never taught you that St. Photios died in communion with Rome (while she was still Orthodox from our view)? They also never taught you that he is commemorated in most if not ALL of the Eastern Catholic churches under Rome? Where did you learn that he was still considered a “schismatic?”

In Christ,
Andrew
The Catholic Encyclopaedia says that he was excommunicated thrice, lied to the emperor saying he was descended from St. Gregory the Illuminator in order to gain favour, 🤷

newadvent.org/cathen/12043b.htm

I also thought he was revered in the Eastern Catholic rites.
 
The Catholic Encyclopaedia says that he was excommunicated thrice, lied to the emperor saying he was descended from St. Gregory the Illuminator in order to gain favour, 🤷

newadvent.org/cathen/12043b.htm

I also thought he was revered in the Eastern Catholic rites.
The “third excommunication” doesn’t stand up to real historical scholarship. The old Catholic Encyclopedia is not very accurate , especially on issues that lend themselves to polemics.
 
“I wouldn’t be too concerned over the fate of the Eastern Catholic Churches because re-union isn’t happening anytime soon.”

Is Catholic-Orthodox Unity in Sight?

Monday, September 14, 2009 11:10 AM

The Catholic Archbishop of Moscow has given a remarkably upbeat assessment of relations with the Orthodox Church, saying unity between Catholics and Orthodox could be achieved “within a few months.”

In an interview today in Italy’s Corriere della Sera newspaper, Archbishop Paolo Pezzi said the miracle of reunification “is possible, indeed it has never been so close.” The archbishop added that Catholic-Orthodox reunification, the end of the historic schism that has divided them for a millennium, and spiritual communion between the two churches “could happen soon, also within a few months.”

“Basically we were united for a thousand years,” Archbishop Pezzi said. “Then for another thousand we were divided. Now the path to rapprochement is at its peak, and the third millennium of the Church could begin as a sign of unity.” He said there were “no formal obstacles” but that “everything depends on a real desire for communion.”

On the part of the Catholic Church, he added, “the desire is very much alive.”

Archbishop Pezzi, 49, whose proper title is Metropolitan Archbishop of the Mother of God Archdiocese in Moscow, said that now there are “no real obstacles” on the path towards full communion and reunification. On issues of modernity, Catholics and Orthodox Christians feel the same way, he said: “Nothing separates us on bioethics, the family, and the protection of life.”

Also on matters of doctrine, the two churches are essentially in agreement. “There remains the question of papal primacy,” Archbishop Pezzi acknowledged, “and this will be a concern at the next meeting of the Catholic-Orthodox Commission. But to me, it doesn’t seem impossible to reach an agreement.”

Prospects for union with the Orthodox have increased markedly in recent years with the election of Pope Benedict XVI, whose work as a theologian in greatly admired in Orthodox circles. Benedict is also without the burden of the difficult political history between Poland and Russia, which hindered Polish Pope John Paul II from making as much progress as he would have liked regarding Catholic-Orthodox unity.

Relations have also been greatly helped by the election of Patriarch Kirill I earlier this year as leader of the Russian Orthodox Church, which is by far the largest of the national churches in the Orthodox Church. As the former head of the Moscow Patriarchate’s department for external relations, Kirill met Benedict on several occasions before and after he became Pope, and the Russian Orthodox Patriarch is well acquainted with the Roman Curia and with Catholicism.

ncregister.com/daily/catholic-orthodox_unity_in_sight/

directionstoorthodoxy.org/n/is_catholic-orthodox_unity_in_sight.html
 
“I wouldn’t be too concerned over the fate of the Eastern Catholic Churches because re-union isn’t happening anytime soon.”

Is Catholic-Orthodox Unity in Sight?

Monday, September 14, 2009 11:10 AM

The Catholic Archbishop of Moscow has given a remarkably upbeat assessment of relations with the Orthodox Church, saying unity between Catholics and Orthodox could be achieved “within a few months.”

In an interview today in Italy’s Corriere della Sera newspaper, Archbishop Paolo Pezzi said the miracle of reunification “is possible, indeed it has never been so close.” The archbishop added that Catholic-Orthodox reunification, the end of the historic schism that has divided them for a millennium, and spiritual communion between the two churches “could happen soon, also within a few months.”

“Basically we were united for a thousand years,” Archbishop Pezzi said. “Then for another thousand we were divided. Now the path to rapprochement is at its peak, and the third millennium of the Church could begin as a sign of unity.” He said there were “no formal obstacles” but that “everything depends on a real desire for communion.”

On the part of the Catholic Church, he added, “the desire is very much alive.”

Archbishop Pezzi, 49, whose proper title is Metropolitan Archbishop of the Mother of God Archdiocese in Moscow, said that now there are “no real obstacles” on the path towards full communion and reunification. On issues of modernity, Catholics and Orthodox Christians feel the same way, he said: “Nothing separates us on bioethics, the family, and the protection of life.”

Also on matters of doctrine, the two churches are essentially in agreement. “There remains the question of papal primacy,” Archbishop Pezzi acknowledged, “and this will be a concern at the next meeting of the Catholic-Orthodox Commission. But to me, it doesn’t seem impossible to reach an agreement.”

Prospects for union with the Orthodox have increased markedly in recent years with the election of Pope Benedict XVI, whose work as a theologian in greatly admired in Orthodox circles. Benedict is also without the burden of the difficult political history between Poland and Russia, which hindered Polish Pope John Paul II from making as much progress as he would have liked regarding Catholic-Orthodox unity.

Relations have also been greatly helped by the election of Patriarch Kirill I earlier this year as leader of the Russian Orthodox Church, which is by far the largest of the national churches in the Orthodox Church. As the former head of the Moscow Patriarchate’s department for external relations, Kirill met Benedict on several occasions before and after he became Pope, and the Russian Orthodox Patriarch is well acquainted with the Roman Curia and with Catholicism.

ncregister.com/daily/catholic-orthodox_unity_in_sight/

directionstoorthodoxy.org/n/is_catholic-orthodox_unity_in_sight.html
I hate to sound like a downer, but that article is misleadingly optimistic. If you want to see a response to that, read this article where they interviewed His Eminence Archbp. Hilarion. It will put things into better perspective.

In Christ,
Andrew
 
I’m new to this forum…still navagating my way…
Is there any recent word on the possibility of the Orthodox Christian Church and the Roman Catholic Churches re-uniting? I’m praying for this to happen.I’m a Roman Catholic who is studying Orthodoxy and may convert. I’ve always had a difficult time trying to accept Papal Infalibility, manditory celibacy, and many of the issues leading to the Gread Schism of 1054. I am so torn between my search for Truth and fullness of the Faith and my "leaving my “friends” -my favorite saints (St. Francis of Assisi and St. Therese and the rosary and Divine Mercy Chaplet)…I feel torn…I sincerely pray for this unification to happen.
All things are possible with the Holy Spirit!

Any news out there? Thank you.:o
 
Certain Orthodox national churches have made overtures. Others have stated that joint EO-Catholic projects are no longer prohibited, but are barely willing to admit that Catholics are legitimately baptized.

Most fall somewhere in the “Yes, they are Christian, but they don’t seem to be Orthodox enough to be in communion with us until they make major changes.”
 
I’m new to this forum…still navagating my way…
Is there any recent word on the possibility of the Orthodox Christian Church and the Roman Catholic Churches re-uniting? I’m praying for this to happen.I’m a Roman Catholic who is studying Orthodoxy and may convert. I’ve always had a difficult time trying to accept Papal Infalibility, manditory celibacy, and many of the issues leading to the Gread Schism of 1054. I am so torn between my search for Truth and fullness of the Faith and my "leaving my “friends” -my favorite saints (St. Francis of Assisi and St. Therese and the rosary and Divine Mercy Chaplet)…I feel torn…I sincerely pray for this unification to happen.
All things are possible with the Holy Spirit!

Any news out there? Thank you.:o
I think we are all hoping and praying for reconciliation. I was torn in the same way not so long ago.

‘Church time’ is measured in decades, if not centuries. I don’t expect to see reconciliation in my lifetime. 😦 I may be much older than you.
 
Hypothetically speaking, in the event of reunion, what would happen, the Eastern Catholic Churches come under the authority of the Orthodox Church that is there respective counterpart ?
 
Seamus,
I don’t think they would come under the Orthodox counterpart per se. Instead I believe the synods would simply merge. Now, I’m not aware if there is an Eastern Catholic Patriarch and an Orthdox Patriarch for a particular sur irius, example Bizantine. if there is that may cause so competition. However, One would have to take the high road and probably submit to the other. As they are both Bishops in the fullness of the faith. I don’t one is any more or less than the other. Interesting question though.
 
Seamus,
I don’t think they would come under the Orthodox counterpart per se. Instead I believe the synods would simply merge. Now, I’m not aware if there is an Eastern Catholic Patriarch and an Orthdox Patriarch for a particular sur irius, example Bizantine. if there is that may cause so competition. However, One would have to take the high road and probably submit to the other. As they are both Bishops in the fullness of the faith. I don’t one is any more or less than the other. Interesting question though.
Interestingly, about when the Melkite Catholics affirmed the Zoghby Initiative it is said that the Patriarch of the Melkite Catholics offered to resign in favor of his Orthodox counterpart to affect the reconciliation. I do not have a reference to confirm this.

I wonder if anyone else has read that or heard about it?
 
I think we are all hoping and praying for reconciliation. I was torn in the same way not so long ago.

‘Church time’ is measured in decades, if not centuries. I don’t expect to see reconciliation in my lifetime. 😦 I may be much older than you.
Thank you, Michael. It helps to know that another has made this difficult journey.
Blessings,
Michele (Kokomoka)
 
Interestingly, about when the Melkite Catholics affirmed the Zoghby Initiative it is said that the Patriarch of the Melkite Catholics offered to resign in favor of his Orthodox counterpart to affect the reconciliation. I do not have a reference to confirm this.

I wonder if anyone else has read that or heard about it?
I’ve read about this, but don’t remember where.
 
Interestingly, about when the Melkite Catholics affirmed the Zoghby Initiative it is said that the Patriarch of the Melkite Catholics offered to resign in favor of his Orthodox counterpart to affect the reconciliation. I do not have a reference to confirm this.

I wonder if anyone else has read that or heard about it?
Check out this link melkite.org/sa3.htm. I think it may have the answer you’re looking for.
 
I like mardukm’s answer 🙂

The whole idea of reunification gets me sooo excited!!! Imagine what we could do together that we haven’t been able to do for a thousand years!!

My dream is that the official unification will take place in 2054, exactly 1000 years after the schism started. 🙂 How wonderful would that be?
I can’t think of any way in which it would be more wonderful than if it were to occur tomorrow. Certainly it won’t occur tomorrow, but my personal attitude is for reunification to happen sooner rather than later. Particularly in the face of a de-christianization of the world, and militant athism… Which are two factors which are greatly helping to drive our new much more friendly attitude towards each other, even extending to warm talk of reunification.
 
I can’t think of any way in which it would be more wonderful than if it were to occur tomorrow. Certainly it won’t occur tomorrow, but my personal attitude is for reunification to happen sooner rather than later. Particularly in the face of a de-christianization of the world, and militant athism… Which are two factors which are greatly helping to drive our new much more friendly attitude towards each other, even extending to warm talk of reunification.
Indeed, but I’ll be very happy if it happens by 2054. I’ll be 70:mad:

But at least I have a decent chance of living till then. I’d like to see it in my lifetime.

Edwin
 
Indeed, but I’ll be very happy if it happens by 2054. I’ll be 70:mad:

But at least I have a decent chance of living till then. I’d like to see it in my lifetime.

Edwin
I too would love to see it in my life time, and sooner rather than later. Maybe it’s just me, but personally I feel these issues of non-state sponsored militant athisim and the de-christianization of the world (paritcularly the West) demands new and dramatic action from all of Orthodox Christianity (personally I’d love to see all Protestants come home too, but that’s just me).

We need a unified Christian face.
 
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