Fate of Mary death or assumption

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I never meant to suggest you were.
AugustTherese said:
It has been revealed that Mary had a physical death, therefore I choose to believe it happened.
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“privately revealed”, and you are entitled to choose to believe it, but to assert that it is part of the deposit of faith would be in error.
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Seriously.

EVERYONE knows that Mary didn’t die.

Everyone “cool” anyway…

*Lights up Greek brand of cigarette
 
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There is a very prominent depiction of her dormition at St Mary’s Major- the most important Marian church in the Latin Church.
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Not exactly an overwhelming refutation of the larger point I was making though.
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The examples in Western art are abundant, including the three that I previously posted.
 
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Your position is the correct and researched one, Deacon.

The thread was effectively closed when you created the second post stating;
 
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Yes. You and I are Catholic brothers! That is what matters more to me than mere semantics. We both believe that Our Blessed Mother was assumed into Heaven, body and soul! How blessed and graced we are to be given the gift of that faith, and to share in that faith! Details aside, I consider it a wonderful blessing to agree on what matters most with you! :hugs:
 
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Update and thread derailment (I apologize in advance) The tacos were amazing!
 
Thank you! I will definitely take a look at this. I appreciate it!
 
Deacon,

I thought the common Catholic teaching wasn’t that Adam and Eve were naturally and inherently immortal before Original Sin, but that while they enjoyed the favor of God they also enjoyed a number of preternatural gifts, including immortality, that supplemented their created and biological nature.

If that is the case, then Mary could conceivably have been preserved from the stain of Original Sin but not given the preternatural gift of immortality, and thus her body would have worn out and died like any biological creature’s. She clearly wasn’t kept from deep sorrow and probably not from physical pain, other privileges enjoyed by Adam and Eve in the peace of the Garden.
 
Reason would tell us the the humble Virgin did not want to accept any condition higher than Jesus. She was ready to accept willingly any suffering that Jesus suffered. If Jesus willingly suffered a physical death, then Mary would want to join Him in that suffering.
  1. The most prudent Mother prostrated herself at the feet of her Son and with a joyous countenance answered; “My Son and my Lord, I beseech Thee let Thy mother and Thy servant enter into eternal life by the common portal of natural death like the other children of Adam. Thou, who art my true God, hast suffered death without being obliged to do so; it is proper that, as I have followed thee in life, so I also follow Thee in death.” Mystical City of God, Venerable Mary of Agreda
 
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Reason would tell us the the humble Virgin did not want to accept any condition higher than Jesus. She was ready to accept willingly any suffering that Jesus suffered. If Jesus willingly suffered a physical death, then Mary would want to join Him in that suffering.
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Two different ways of looking at it. Both are reasonable. And either can be held by Catholics. 🙂
 
Thanks Deacon and Joe, but did I actually conclude that she died? I said she did not want to accept anything other than what Jesus suffered.
 
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Reason would tell us the the humble Virgin did not want to accept any condition higher than Jesus. She was ready to accept willingly any suffering that Jesus suffered. If Jesus willingly suffered a physical death, then Mary would want to join Him in that suffering.
  1. The most prudent Mother prostrated herself at the feet of her Son and with a joyous countenance answered; “My Son and my Lord, I beseech Thee let Thy mother and Thy servant enter into eternal life by the common portal of natural death like the other children of Adam. Thou, who art my true God, hast suffered death without being obliged to do so; it is proper that, as I have followed thee in life, so I also follow Thee in death.” Mystical City of God, Venerable Mary of Agreda
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She joined Him in that suffering most perfectly at the foot of His cross, though. Hence why she didn’t actually die along with Him at the same time.
 
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Crucified naked; I have never heard of that. What would be the purpose of that? I know one of the Apostles asked to be crucified upside down.
 
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