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Theo520
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Most Presidential campaign slogans are geared towards the concept of change and making america great. The focus on this slogan is ridiculous.
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gracepoole
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It isn’t the general idea of the slogan that’s a concern. And in terms of this specific thread, there’s far more to be concerned about.
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Theo520
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Ahh, more innuendo,
not details that can be exposed to the light and debated.
Separately I clearly laid out what I thought MAGA stood for, and why I believe it falls withing Church doctrine.
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gracepoole
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Only because CAF frowns on providing such details. I’m pretty sure you know the issues that exist with this priest’s approach to supporting Trump, though.gracepoole:
Ahh, more innuendo,
not details that can be exposed to the light and debated.
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Victoria33
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I would surmise that the title of the video is " Pro-life priest defends Covington students" though, respectfully of all, he does defend the MAGA concept having watched the video.
Some could have issues with Father Pavone, I find issues that when a pro-life cause might be discussed, others might say “what about torture and the death penalty?”, those are viable issues. However, at the same time, I believe Pope after Pope after Pope have had an emphasis on certain pro-life aspects, let alone, Mother Teresa as well, working in Calcutta.
Again, most of us have done right and wrong, perhaps, we need to examine ourselves as well.
It appears that other thread is quieting down, something I wished to contribute is that every campaign has their slogans and perhaps, they can be interpreted in various ways.
Bernie Sanders, “Feel The Bern”. Dr. Ben Carson, “heal, inspire, revive”. One can look up other ones, a slogan is just that.
Some could have issues with Father Pavone, I find issues that when a pro-life cause might be discussed, others might say “what about torture and the death penalty?”, those are viable issues. However, at the same time, I believe Pope after Pope after Pope have had an emphasis on certain pro-life aspects, let alone, Mother Teresa as well, working in Calcutta.
Again, most of us have done right and wrong, perhaps, we need to examine ourselves as well.
It appears that other thread is quieting down, something I wished to contribute is that every campaign has their slogans and perhaps, they can be interpreted in various ways.
Bernie Sanders, “Feel The Bern”. Dr. Ben Carson, “heal, inspire, revive”. One can look up other ones, a slogan is just that.
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Theo520
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I’m not seeing it. Priests can be patriots, some even serve in the Military.
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twf
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With all due respect to Father as a priest, as a non-American Catholic, I think it’s vulgar to see a priest so openly engaging in secular politics. Wearing the slogan of any political candidate would elicit the same response.
Why should a priest be so polarizing? He may rally a certain brand of conservative Catholic Americans, but he may drive away scores of potential converts.
Why should a priest be so polarizing? He may rally a certain brand of conservative Catholic Americans, but he may drive away scores of potential converts.
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Hoosier-Daddy
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A good and holy priest who is probably the best pro life voice of our generation.
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Hoosier-Daddy
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Hey, he has my hat!
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Ardent_Fire
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Personally I appreciated the message of Father Longenecker a while back where he told us to be careful to not to be caught up in any cults of personality about Trump, or any politician for that matter. I have a lot of respect for Fr. Pavone’s fight for pro-life causes and even his love of country. I don’t have a problem with clergy praising politicians when they do good, and of course have an obligation to speak out when they do horrible things. But his over the top cheerleading for Trump (or any priest heavily promoting any secular politician) really isn’t necessary to preach the Gospel, including the Gospel of life.
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Victoria33
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Again, these to me, seem like the kinds of words to say, let’s do nothing effective for the pro-life cause.
Well, when New York and maybe next, Rhode Island and Vermont and it was tried in Virginia and hopefully, that bill failed, are legislating bills that make abortion legal up to birth, I won’t be wagging my fingers at all. I wonder when the last time, you criticized things like this? Preaching the Gospel of Life doesn’t seemed to have worked in some of these cases. Sounds nice, “let him just preach the gospel of life”.
People should really, really, really cite examples. “Over the top cheerleading”, well, isn’t that nice. I’d like to see what those derisive words mean about Father Pavone. Oh, he wore a hat and that is over the top cheerleading? I hope I am judged more mercifully.
I hope those so critical of Pres. Trump and Father Pavone are as critical of the abortion industry.
President Trump has had measured successes for the pro-life movement. Again, I wonder where some who criticized him have voiced support or commended him over this? I commend Father Pavone for doing it and I’m sure, it can be backed up with Catholic teaching,. Otherwise, why do anything?
After the last president, who voted in his career against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act (babies who survive abortion) 4 different times, again, I wonder if those so critical of Trump and Pavone were equally critical of Obama? That was a ghastly thing to vote for, I think criticism is probably more apt for those kinds of situations, not because someone is wearing a cap and being derisive about cult personality, if that even exists, at least, as far as describing Father Pavone.
We are in the culture war, some may be culture warriors. I hope people are trying to be fully fair in how they judge others.
And honestly, this is where some of us ponder, what those writing such things have done themselves for the Pro-Life movement? Said prayers? Pro-Life Rosaries? Been in pro-life marches to be criticizing someone who has dedicated himself for 40 years for the pro-life cause.
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Hoosier-Daddy
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What is the gospel of life and how does it differ from the Gospel and how should both be preached?
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F_Marturana
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Evangelium Vitae, maybe? It’s an encyclical by Pope John Paul. It translates to the Gospel of Life.
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Hoosier-Daddy
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Ok. Now, how should it be preached?
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Hoosier-Daddy
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It seems like this thread is a test to see if people learned from Covington. It would appear some have not and wish to criticize from the back of the army the general on the firing line.
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F_Marturana
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By reading it, and teaching it its entirety, I guess.
There is a culture of death. Abortion is a part of the culture of death, but like s hydra there are many parts to the culture of death.
There is a culture of death. Abortion is a part of the culture of death, but like s hydra there are many parts to the culture of death.
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Ardent_Fire
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Well, you are mistaken. And you seem to overlook the praise I do have for his activism, overall. I am not making a judgment on his character. But I do reserve the right to question whether wearing a MAGA hat and tweeting Trump’s “MAGA” rhetoric is alienating and distracting. I’m not saying that’s his intention. His intentions are good, I’m sure. It is merely an opinion on tone of message, not judgment of character.
I see plenty of clergy that support pro life causes and engage in activism and speak out against legislation or support pro-life legislation (and give out praise or criticism as deserved) but aren’t over the top as far as posturing for any particular political party. I wouldn’t want any clergy shilling for Obama or whoever is next on their side, either.
Just this morning with a Catholic group, thanks. I think it’s abominable and I held a discussion on whether or not Cuomo should be excommunicated.
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gracepoole
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Yet again: all of these statements reflect false dilemmas (either you’re in favor of Fr. Pavone’s methods and/or Trump or you’re not pro-life enough) and judgements about your fellow Catholics.
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