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JohnR77
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I agreed with your statement following this "but I don’t not understand why we should not encourage others to be the best and make our country the best as possible
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blackforest
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I’m on board with that. 
Americans just disagree on how to reach that goal.
Americans just disagree on how to reach that goal.
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Victoria33
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Quarrel if America was ever great, I think we have done great things as already pointed out.
Americans may disagree with how to get there, sure, we’ve got all the time in the world, how many states should be making things legal like in New York and how long will it take to straighten out these kinds of things?? And it could spread to the whole USA, why not wait 10 years from now, when there is a president I might like in office. Gosh. Maybe 20- years.
I’ll tell you what is not making America great, the proposed bill in Virginia which was defeated thank goodness, what is not great was the New York bill, Governor Cuomo signed, gynecologists have come out and said there is no reason for abortion the 3rd trimester and a number of similar situations in other states.
That is not great. If Father Pavone finds support from the president for the cause he has devoted his life too, he will give support back. That’s pretty easy to say.
And at the same time, there is earnest anxiety that not enough is done.
It’s really like John Lennon wrote in a song
We don’t care what flag you’re waving
We don’t even want to know your name
We don’t care where you’re from or where you’re going
All we know is that you came.
This is a culture war, we see what the other side will do, it’s not going to be for me to reject whomever might help and I think Father Pavone knows that.
“Americans just disagree on how to get to that point.” Oh, now, maybe we are seeing what this is about more.
Americans may disagree with how to get there, sure, we’ve got all the time in the world, how many states should be making things legal like in New York and how long will it take to straighten out these kinds of things?? And it could spread to the whole USA, why not wait 10 years from now, when there is a president I might like in office. Gosh. Maybe 20- years.
I’ll tell you what is not making America great, the proposed bill in Virginia which was defeated thank goodness, what is not great was the New York bill, Governor Cuomo signed, gynecologists have come out and said there is no reason for abortion the 3rd trimester and a number of similar situations in other states.
That is not great. If Father Pavone finds support from the president for the cause he has devoted his life too, he will give support back. That’s pretty easy to say.
And at the same time, there is earnest anxiety that not enough is done.
It’s really like John Lennon wrote in a song
We don’t care what flag you’re waving
We don’t even want to know your name
We don’t care where you’re from or where you’re going
All we know is that you came.
This is a culture war, we see what the other side will do, it’s not going to be for me to reject whomever might help and I think Father Pavone knows that.
“Americans just disagree on how to get to that point.” Oh, now, maybe we are seeing what this is about more.
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Theo520
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That’s completely untrue
You can complement Trump or Fr. Pavone on some of what they do, and remain highly critical of many other aspects.
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gracepoole
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How does that demonstrate that my comments were “completely untrue”?gracepoole:
That’s completely untrue
You can complement Trump or Fr. Pavone on some of what they do, and remain highly critical of many other aspects.
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gracepoole
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The questions you ask about fellow Catholics’ loyalty to the pro-life movement are classic ad hominem attacks. Rather than addressing the claims of others here who are critical of at least some of the choices of Fr. Pavone (for example), you suggest they aren’t “really” pro-life, or aren’t “as pro-life” as they should be. Deal with their claims instead. You’re absolutely right that I am critical of Fr. Pavone. He has never apologized for and has only defended his desecration of an aborted fetus. That in and of itself makes it impossible for me to support him completely. Note, by the way, that this is a specific claim I’m making about him. Rather than questioning the number of rosaries I say or the number of rallies I attend or my voting record, how about responding to that claim?gracepoole:
Excuse me, if Trump has enacted pro-life measures, I applaud him for it. It’s not a perfect record. If I applaud Father Pavone for his pro-life actions, so be it. For all of your discussion about accusations, your words on this forum of Father Pavone do not appear to flatter him so I question your remarks, you seem to be the judgemental one. I have only asked questions if others are pro-life truly, you are the one making judgements. Your opinion seems to be saying, criticize Trump, criticize Father Pavone but don’t anyone dare question our own motivations.
Most, every pro-lifer I know is happy about the accomplishments of the Trump administration, even Lila Rose at live action though, in some of these cases, there is caution as well. I do not find your statements of any constructive value with all due respect. You seem to do nothing but put the president down, I believe you also found Susan Blaise Ford credible in testimony against Judge Kavanaugh. Susan Blaise Ford is no friend of the pro-life movement; and any fair evaluation of her testimony found it lacked total credibility.
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Theo520
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You said the statements represent a false dilemma.
I articulated how I didn’t see a false dilemma
Maybe you meant something else, but I didn’t see it.
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gracepoole
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I was pointing out that Victoria33 had created a false dilemma. I completely agree that there is a middle ground: one can definitely compliment Trump or Fr. Pavone on some of what they do and remain highly critical of many other aspects. I do not see that reality reflected in Victoria’s comments.gracepoole:
You said the statements represent a false dilemma.
I articulated how I didn’t see a false dilemma
Maybe you meant something else, but I didn’t see it.
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twf
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With respect, I think that you and other posters of similar views do indeed foster this false dilemma…whether you intend to or not. On this thread, criticisms of Trump have been presented, but I think those criticizing Trump (or Fr. Pavone) have also lauded the objective good of pro-life/anti-abortion action. In response to these criticisms, I believe it was you who brought out the “Trump Derangement Syndrome” card… when Trump supporters say things like that, it makes it pretty obvious that you’re either for or against Trump, who equates conservatism, who equates pro-life, who equates greatness, etc. etc.
Perhaps that’s not what you really believe, but it often comes across that way when Trump supporters get so incredibly defensive of any criticism of their man.
Perhaps that’s not what you really believe, but it often comes across that way when Trump supporters get so incredibly defensive of any criticism of their man.
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pnewton
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I guess it should be no surprise that “Life” Site News would put on a pro-life priest with a MAGA hat. I think he is fundamentally flawed in equating the divisiveness of the Gospel with the divisiveness of Trump. One was God, the other not.
I also think diminishing the problem of racism by saying we have a hypersensitivity to racism is unbecoming. I know of no other sin a priest would say we are hypersensitive to.
I also think diminishing the problem of racism by saying we have a hypersensitivity to racism is unbecoming. I know of no other sin a priest would say we are hypersensitive to.
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