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Before I even begin to watch the video, I would have to say that Fr. Martin’s premise is off if that title is indeed accurate.
I don’t believe homophobia exists in the Church to any serious degree. The Church simply teaches without shame that Homosexuality is profoundly disordered and immoral and cannot be accepted as a way of life that is in accord with the natural law or the Churches fundamental teachings on human sexuality. It would be like saying, ok, everyone it’s fine if you want to fornicate and do whatever you want to do sexually.
If there is a greater averse reaction to homosexuality, it is because it goes against the natural law, it is seriously and intrinsically disordered, and that should make people stand up and take notice, which it does. That is NOT homophobia.
Seems to me that getting on an “end homophobia” soap box is saying, accept homosexuals for the lifestyle they have chosen. It’s disturbing to authentic Catholic sensibilities.
I don’t believe homophobia exists in the Church to any serious degree. The Church simply teaches without shame that Homosexuality is profoundly disordered and immoral and cannot be accepted as a way of life that is in accord with the natural law or the Churches fundamental teachings on human sexuality. It would be like saying, ok, everyone it’s fine if you want to fornicate and do whatever you want to do sexually.
If there is a greater averse reaction to homosexuality, it is because it goes against the natural law, it is seriously and intrinsically disordered, and that should make people stand up and take notice, which it does. That is NOT homophobia.
Seems to me that getting on an “end homophobia” soap box is saying, accept homosexuals for the lifestyle they have chosen. It’s disturbing to authentic Catholic sensibilities.
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Hereiam
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Couldn’t be further from the truth if you view “the Church” as the sum of all of us members, rather than a religious organization.
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JamalChristophr
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In the interview terms like “traditionalists”, “moderates”, and “progressives” are being thrown about as though the Church and it’s flock are some political entity that can be fitted within that paradigm. This is a profoundly wrong way to look at the Catholic Church.
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Genesis315
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We should definitely have a horror of sin, but definitely not of sinners and especially not of people trying to fight the good fight. I don’t really see any evidence of homophobia in the Church these days at least institutionally, but what do I know (I’m sure there are individual Catholic who hate others just as their are Catholics committing every other mortal sin).
That being said, at least going by various news reports in the last few years, it’s the lack of the horror for sin (this one and others) that is the main problem, not the horror of people…
That being said, at least going by various news reports in the last few years, it’s the lack of the horror for sin (this one and others) that is the main problem, not the horror of people…
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Hereiam
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He give balance to the other extreme, like Father Z
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phil19034
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No, Fr Martin does not give balance. Fr Michael Schmitz (a priests with a gay brother) gives the PERFECT balance.Brittany:
He give balance to the other extreme, like Father Z
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Today’s General Audience
I cordially greet Polish pilgrims. In the “Our Father”, in saying to the Lord: “Give us this day our daily bread”, we ask not only for food for the body, but also the gift of the Eucharistic Bread, nourishment of the soul. We know that one who has committed a serious sin should not approach Holy Communion without having first obtained absolution in the sacrament of Reconciliation. Lent is an opportunity to approach the latter, to confess well and to encounter Christ in Holy Communion. The encounter with Him gives meaning to our life. I bless you from my heart.
I cordially greet Polish pilgrims. In the “Our Father”, in saying to the Lord: “Give us this day our daily bread”, we ask not only for food for the body, but also the gift of the Eucharistic Bread, nourishment of the soul. We know that one who has committed a serious sin should not approach Holy Communion without having first obtained absolution in the sacrament of Reconciliation. Lent is an opportunity to approach the latter, to confess well and to encounter Christ in Holy Communion. The encounter with Him gives meaning to our life. I bless you from my heart.
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Hereiam
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I’m not talking about just this issue, I am speaking that relative to Father Z, Father Martin provides balance.
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buffalo
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True Christian charity demands fraternal correction, otherwise we do not want the best of the other, that is eternal life.
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JamalChristophr
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If people don’t want to watch the whole interview, the homosexuality portion begins around the 4:00 mark.
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KMG
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No bishop has warned people to avoid Father Z in any way. The same can hardly be said of Father Martin.
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JamalChristophr
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During the interview, he refers to those who strongly protested his talk at a New Jersey Seminary, as “online hate groups.”
He was due to give a talk on Jesus, but the thing is Fr. Martin has set himself up as an icon or poster boy for championing the movement for the Church to accept Homosexuality. I can appreciate the difficulty of that situation, but I don’t think using the term “hate groups” is on the mark. I suppose from his perspective, that is what they are. But others might say to use that term is just rhetoric.
He was due to give a talk on Jesus, but the thing is Fr. Martin has set himself up as an icon or poster boy for championing the movement for the Church to accept Homosexuality. I can appreciate the difficulty of that situation, but I don’t think using the term “hate groups” is on the mark. I suppose from his perspective, that is what they are. But others might say to use that term is just rhetoric.
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KMG
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It is a hallmark of Father’s approach (and that of his supporters) to argue that anyone who supports the traditional, orthodox, perennial teaching of the Church is somehow “hateful.”
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JamalChristophr
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He said,
“I think you have people that are terrified with the idea that LGBT people are part of the Church, and that’s kind of a small traditionalist mindset that really is ginning up the opposition…there’s a lot of hatred and homophobia within the Church and we need to confront that.”
On the whole, I do agree with some of what he says, but most of it, not. He says that the Church does not listen to the LGBT community, but I don’t believe that is true. Perhaps he has a different definition of the verb “to listen” than I do.
“I think you have people that are terrified with the idea that LGBT people are part of the Church, and that’s kind of a small traditionalist mindset that really is ginning up the opposition…there’s a lot of hatred and homophobia within the Church and we need to confront that.”
On the whole, I do agree with some of what he says, but most of it, not. He says that the Church does not listen to the LGBT community, but I don’t believe that is true. Perhaps he has a different definition of the verb “to listen” than I do.
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KMG
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His end game is acceptance of homosexual unions.
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Arbovirus
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I’m a bit confused as to where his superiors are…
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KMG
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I suspect most of his Jesuit superiors agree with him.
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Arbovirus
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Don’t they also have superiors to answer to then?
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