Father Michael Pfleger

[childofmary1143]

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Arguments for or against his arrest will commence now. It is my understanding that when one threatens murder that can be a criminal offense and may include jail time.

Should he be arrested and/or go to jail?

It must be said that Father Pfleger is lying when he says that he didn’t know that “snuff” meant murder as any man who can complete seminary training knows basic English.

 

[aimee]

I voted I don’t know because I know he won’t be charged.

 

[Lance]

Even though he would not be convicted he should be charged just to show that he can not spout off his big mouth without consequinces.

 

[Monica02]

Maybe the law can contain him better than Cardinal George can.

Have other people been criminally charged with saying “snuffed out”? If so than perhaps Fr. Pfleger should as well.

It is all moot because he delivers so many votes to the Democrats in Chicago no authority would even touch him.

 

[stbruno]

Hey give the man the benefit of the doubt…snuffed could also mean be put out of business because he will be put in jail to serve time for the crimes he has committed against the community.

 

[Vaclav]

It must be said that Father Pfleger is lying when he says that he didn’t know that “snuff” meant murder as any man who can complete seminary training knows basic English.

Is it really fair to accuse a priest of lying when you do not know what he meant in his heart?

I don’t think that English or Mafia Slang is a course in seminary.

 

[childofmary1143]

Hey give the man the benefit of the doubt…snuffed could also mean be put out of business because he will be put in jail to serve time for the crimes he has committed against the community.

The Gun shop owner hasn’t committed any crimes.

 

[childofmary1143]

Is it really fair to accuse a priest of lying when you do not know what he meant in his heart?

I don’t think that English or Mafia Slang is a course in seminary.

English wouldn’t be a course in Seminary as any Seminarian would know English.

 

[rpp]

Hey give the man the benefit of the doubt…snuffed could also mean be put out of business because he will be put in jail to serve time for the crimes he has committed against the community.

Any priest who has been serving in an inner-city parish for more than a decades knows exactly what “snuff out” means. And he knew it did not mean put him out if business.

But even if it did, the business that the gun owner is in is not immoral nor illegal. The priest objects to the fact that guns exist.

So if we do give the priest the benefit of the doubt and assume that he
hoping to force the business owner out of business, then he is unjustly advocating that a man be denied the dignity and justice of supporting his family through honest and moral means.

But let’s not forget, when this Father Pfleger threatened to “snuff out” the business owner, he not only stated the business owners name, he **spelled it **for his listeners! That is pure intimidation. That is NOT truth with charity. It was not charitable and he is not speaking Truth.

Closing gun shops only prevent honest people from getting guns. Gang-bangers will always be able to get all the firearms and ammo they want. Crack is illegal and they still get that don’t they?

 

[chicago]

But even if it did, the business that the gun owner is in is not immoral nor illegal. The priest objects to the fact that guns exist.

So if we do give the priest the benefit of the doubt and assume that he hoping to force the business owner out of business, then he is unjustly advocating that a man be denied the dignity and justice of supporting his family through honest and moral means.

Where is the gun shop located? Are such shops, and indeed handgun possession, not illegal in the City of Chicago? Did he not suggest that these guns were being sold off the back end of trucks? Seems to me that the shop owner may, indeed, be doing something illegal and quite possibly immoral if we consider just who he could be selling to.

But let’s not forget, when this Father Pfleger threatened to “snuff out” the business owner, he not only stated the business owners name, he **spelled it **for his listeners! That is pure intimidation. That is NOT truth with charity. It was not charitable and he is not speaking Truth.

How is this any different than what many here would like to see priests do to call out pro-abortion politicians, for instance, via hard words and intimidation?

Closing gun shops only prevent honest people from getting guns. Gang-bangers will always be able to get all the firearms and ammo they want. Crack is illegal and they still get that don’t they?

Fr. Pfleger also has policed sale of drug paraphenelia in his area. He’s effective, like it or not.

 

[aimee]

Father Michael Pfleger has let his political activsim take over his teaching of the faith. I don’t think he really meant ‘snuff out’ but he did state the name and all to intimidate…and it could lead to the serious injury to this man.

It would be nice for Father to speak out on abortion and yet it doesn’t seem as important to him. I can only go by the speech he gave in Atlanta…

He will get away with his statement he always does.

Yes he is effective as an activist…but seems to me his priorities are off a mon avis

 

[chicago]

…but he did state the name and all to intimidate…and it could lead to the serious injury to this man.

I’d seriously doubt that there will be any injury to this man, especially considering all the publicity now.

Fr. Pfleger typically takes on those who he sees as serious threats to his community, usually because they ARE serious threats to his community. Really, I think we need to ask ourselves who the REAL intimidators are. But, then, I suppose our priests are just supposed to roll over and play dead if the issue isn’t something of our own concern. I must wonder if those who are concerned so much about this gun dealer’s safety are just as concerned about the people of the community who he may be harmed by his actions.

 

[childofmary1143]

Where is the gun shop located? Are such shops, and indeed handgun possession, not illegal in the City of Chicago? Did he not suggest that these guns were being sold off the back end of trucks? Seems to me that the shop owner may, indeed, be doing something illegal and quite possibly immoral if we consider just who he could be selling to.

Hearsay allegations are hardly credible reasons. The fact is that a good Catholic can be a gun shop owner.

How is this any different than what many here would like to see priests do to call out pro-abortion politicians, for instance, via hard words and intimidation?

You are comparing gun shop owners with pro abortion politicians? That is very absurd.

Fr. Pfleger also has policed sale of drug paraphenelia in his area. He’s effective, like it or not.

He’s disobedient and needs to be stopped.

 

[aimee]

I’m going to add Fr Pfleger to my prayers…

 

[mchium]

Fr. Pfleger also has policed sale of drug paraphenelia in his area. He’s effective, like it or not.

Being affective does not make him right. This is the same argument used for embryonic stem cell research and cloning.

We may not do a wrong thing for a right reason…i.e. we cannot achieve good by using evil to accomplish it.

 

[Lance]

Where is the gun shop located? Are such shops, and indeed handgun possession, not illegal in the City of Chicago? Did he not suggest that these guns were being sold off the back end of trucks? Seems to me that the shop owner may, indeed, be doing something illegal and quite possibly immoral if we consider just who he could be selling to.

How is this any different than what many here would like to see priests do to call out pro-abortion politicians, for instance, via hard words and intimidation?

Fr. Pfleger also has policed sale of drug paraphenelia in his area. He’s effective, like it or not.

He has never, never ,ever called for a drug dealer to be ‘snuffed out’! His neighborhood is full of drug dealers. He goes after the little fish like the paraphenila sellers and the guys on the corner but leaves the actual big time drug dealers alone. He has not gone after the gangs in his area half as much as he has gone after gunshop owners.

As for being effective, the pro-choice movement and Planned Parenthood are very effective, that does not make them right.

 

[rpp]

Where is the gun shop located? Are such shops, and indeed handgun possession, not illegal in the City of Chicago? Did he not suggest that these guns were being sold off the back end of trucks? Seems to me that the shop owner may, indeed, be doing something illegal and quite possibly immoral if we consider just who he could be selling to.

If the gun shop owner is doing something illegal, then he should be prosecuted. But he is not.

As for the location of the gun shop, obviously it is located in an area where it is legal to have a gun shop. Duh!

How is this any different than what many here would like to see priests do to call out pro-abortion politicians, for instance, via hard words and intimidation?

The difference is that abortion is a grave evil at all times. The people who are murdering babies are, well, murdering babies. It is really hard to get more evil that that. The comparison is beyond absurd.

Combine that with the fact that Father Pfleger does invites pro-abortionists to speak at the parish where he is currently pastor (I am specifically avoiding the phrase “his parish”), make you argument even more absurd. He will not criticize mass murderers, but threatens and intimidate legitimate businesses.

Fr. Pfleger also has policed sale of drug paraphenelia in his area. He’s effective, like it or not.

The fact that he appears to have done some good does not mean that he is permitted to do evil or encourage evil. This is an ad hominum argument.

 

[rpp]

I’d seriously doubt that there will be any injury to this man, especially considering all the publicity now.

Fr. Pfleger typically takes on those who he sees as serious threats to his community, usually because they ARE serious threats to his community. Really, I think we need to ask ourselves who the REAL intimidators are. But, then, I suppose our priests are just supposed to roll over and play dead if the issue isn’t something of our own concern. I must wonder if those who are concerned so much about this gun dealer’s safety are just as concerned about the people of the community who he may be harmed by his actions.

A priest’s first duty is for the souls of those he has be tasked to serve by his superior. His superior, in this case, is the Ordinary of the Archdiocese of Chicago.

Political activism is pretty low on the list of priestly duties.

It is fine that he has helped address problems and threats to the neighborhood has had been assigned to serve, but he cannot intimidate anyone. That is not Christian charity. It does not matter if other people are engaging in intimidation, Father Pfleger is simply wrong to do that. He is encouraging evil. It does not matter if the motivation is to address some problem, real or perceived, or if the solution he is proposing will, or more likely, will not help. The catechism of the Catholic Church clearly states that we cannot do evil, even if motived out of good. We cannot call for the murder a drug dealer or an abortion doctor. We certainly cannot call for the murder of legitimate business owner doing a legitimate business and conducting business legally.

As for people harmed by the gun dealer’s actions, who are they? Can you name them? Of course you cannot. What did the gun dealer do wrong? Nothing. The attitude expressed is one that ignores the responsibility of the person. To use your logic, we should put GM, Ford, Chrysler and all other car manufactures out of business because some people operate vehicles recklessly or deliberately wrong resulting in death.

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

Father Pfleger’s so-called “activism” never seems to cover pro-life issues. Go to the St. Sabina website and download some of his “homilies” if they could be called that. He also has his own bodyguard team, not unlike a certain Nation of Islam leader who feels the need to be 'protected".

Priests are not guaranteed to be correct on all issues simply because they are priests. This one SEEMS TO ME to have a problem with humility. Yes, there are problems in the inner city. No, Michael Pflger is not the cure in human form.

He is one of the reasons I have not returned to the City.

 

[melensdad]

Is it really fair to accuse a priest of lying when you do not know what he meant in his heart?

I don’t think that English or Mafia Slang is a course in seminary.

I’m not sure what you are trying to say, but as someone who has watched this priest from his early days at the St Sabina parish, what I can tell you is that this guy is very “street smart” has has been ministering to a gang riddled community for the past 20 years. I can’t say what is in his heart, but I do believe that he knew exactly what he was saying and knew how people would “take” his words. I believe he is playing a game within the context of political “plausable denyability”

A priest’s first duty is for the souls of those he has be tasked to serve by his superior. His superior, in this case, is the Ordinary of the Archdiocese of Chicago.

Fr Plfeger has constantly DEFIED his superiors by bringing in pro-abortion speakers to the parish.

Where is the gun shop located? Are such shops, and indeed handgun possession, not illegal in the City of Chicago? Did he not suggest that these guns were being sold off the back end of trucks? Seems to me that the shop owner may, indeed, be doing something illegal and quite possibly immoral if we consider just who he could be selling to.

Chuck’s Gun shop is NOT in Chicago, but it does sell guns to Chicago POLICE OFFICERS. The guns Chuck’s sells are LEGAL guns. Further, in Illinois if you want a gun you must get a pre-background check and a Firearms Owners Identification Card BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN PICK UP A GUN in a gun store, let alone buy one. Further, after you go through the background check and buy your F.O.I.D. card (a 30 day process) then you go to the gun store, choose a gun, pay for it, and then you WAIT again. If you are a Chicago resident you cannot buy a HANDgun and bring it into the city, but you are allowed to buy shotguns and hunting rifles. Illinois has VERY STRICT gun laws, some of the strictest in the nation. Chuck’s gun shop has NOT even been accused of violating any Federal, State, County or City laws and to presume that they are immoral based on a MIS-understanding of the laws is absurd

If there is any selling of guns off the backs of trucks, it is not coming from a gun store that caters to law enforcement officers!!! But it is true that Fr Pfleger can IMPLY anything he wants in his rants. Doesn’t make any of it true. In fact he repeats LIES on a regular basis.