Father Pavone placed on leave by Bishop Zurek of Amarillo

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Did your mother make you stay at home, then write a letter to all the mothers in town about how defiantly disrespectful you were and suspect of misbehavior, and that all known friends of yours were to be suspected for misbehavior too?

Father Pavone was publicly humiliated by his bishop before all other bishops in the USA and, suspicion was cast upon his fellow bishops & cardinals who sit on the advisory board, as well as all fellow priests for life.

There are non-Catholic observers on this forum who have to be scratching their heads when they hear knee-jerk Catholic apologists defending what is obviously very uncharitable behavior by the Bishop of Amarillo’s public reproof of Father Pavone in such uncharitable terms.

Yeah, Fr Pavone may be cocky. Yeah, the Bishop of Amarillo may be petty.
That would be the very best scenario in the public display scandal.

The question is why now in such a openly chastising manner? What’s the real story?
Fr. Pavone is representing Church authority in a non-Church organization.
The bishop states he has asked for an accounting a number of times, prior to this.
The bishop is clearly within his rights and obligations to recal Fr. P for a face2face.
It’s a no-brainer, IMO.

I see no lack of charity - only an abundance of grave caution.
 
Or he may be trying to control or silence a very vocal priest in advance of the upcoming election season. 🤷
I agree. Just yesteday, I heard or read somewhere that Priests for Life was organizing a massive get out the vote campaign for pro-life efforts. And now, today, we are smacked with this news.

One has to wonder how serious the Church really is about promoting pro-life efforts.
 
I agree. Just yesteday, I heard or read somewhere that Priests for Life was organizing a massive get out the vote campaign for pro-life efforts. And now, today, we are smacked with this news.

One has to wonder how serious the Church really is about promoting pro-life efforts.
One has to wonder … ? … meaning you are wondering?

For FORTY years, the Church has defended life,
opposing at all times, the “right to abortion.”

I am very clear that the Church is the Church and
that Father Pavone is Father Pavone.

(In fact, for all of its existence,
the Church has defended life!)
 
Who leaked it?
Does it matter? The letter’s last paragraph asks that bishops consider telling their flock to suspend donations to Priest for Life. How does a bishop follow up on such a suggestion without alerting the faithful to serious financial scandal allegations? Granted, it would be nice to be spared the character assassination, warranted or not, by not seeing the actual letter.
 
I see this whole Fr Frank Pavone thing as an honest test of humility. Like forgiveness, humility is a most powerful virtue that transforms one’s inner being. Having these attributes as a priest is most important. Without these virtues, a priest cannot properly preach or be a efficient member of Christ. Coming back to these basics is most important.
 
I see this whole Fr Frank Pavone thing as an honest test of humility. Like forgiveness, humility is a most powerful virtue that transforms one’s inner being. Having these attributes as a priest is most important. Without these virtues, a priest cannot properly preach or be a efficient member of Christ. Coming back to these basics is most important.
Makes sense to me.
 
Does it matter? The letter’s last paragraph asks that bishops consider telling their flock to suspend donations to Priest for Life. How does a bishop follow up on such a suggestion without alerting the faithful to serious financial scandal allegations? Granted, it would be nice to be spared the character assassination, warranted or not, by not seeing the actual letter.
Well it does matter if one is thinking that the bishop had an intent to public humiliate Fr Pavone.

Some posts have made the veiled suggestion that the Bishop is some how out to get Fr Pavone or to derail the work of PFL.

I dont see anything on the Bishop’s part that it was his intent to humiliate or embarrass anyone.

I see a Bishop exercising appropriate authority of one of his priest’s that he has some concerns and would like to resolve those concerns. 🤷
 
Another visible anti-abortion priest in the cross-hairs of Satan. They got another one. It’s a proud day for all of us.

I also wish everyone would stop speaking about Fr. Corapi as though they had PERSONAL information.
Corapi is not to be referred to as “Father.” This has been made quite clear.
 
Did your mother make you stay at home, then write a letter to all the mothers in town about how defiantly disrespectful you were and suspect of misbehavior, and that all known friends of yours were to be suspected for misbehavior too?
Uh, actually yeah. At least, when my mom grounded me she told my friends’ moms I was grounded so they would send me home if I showed up there.
 
Fr. Pavone is representing Church authority in a non-Church organization.
The bishop states he has asked for an accounting a number of times, prior to this.
The bishop is clearly within his rights and obligations to recal Fr. P for a face2face.
It’s a no-brainer, IMO.

I see no lack of charity - only an abundance of grave caution.
Please take off your knee-jerk Catholic apologist hat for a moment, and look at it objectively.

If your boss wrote a letter to all other department heads that you were being recalled to make an accounting for some potential financial improprieties, then went on to say that you were pig-headed and two previous bosses thought the same thing - all because of some complaints from quarters unknown - and, then went on to say that all department heads should instruct all personnel should discontinue all cooperation with your mission & associates - how would you feel?

If my boss did that to me, I’d be mad at first. If my boss showed me what information that he was fed and it was indeed a very serious matter that needed a “stop the music” response, then I would applaud my boss for acting responsibly even if it was at my expense. If it was hearsay nonsense with no corroborating evidence, I wouldn’t be angry at being recalled but, I would be angry at the public display casting suspicion over the operation in my charge.

This form of whistle-blowing is necessary if the gravity of the situation warrants it.

Under no circumstance should the bishop have aired his opinions about his relationship with Father Pavone, warranted or not.
 
Good priests appear to have targets on their backs lately.

~Liza
Or maybe the Church is doing a better job of reining in priests that are making mistakes. I don’t view the recent spat of priest disciplinary cases as a bad thing. The Church needs to take action when it learns there is a problem. Of course, it remains to be seen if there IS a problem with Fr. Pavone or not, but I have no problem with appropriate authority working to answer that question. The fact that there have been some other incidents where it turned out there were real problems only reinforces that.
 
  1. As to putting out a financial statement for donors to see, no non-profit has to do this. EWTN does not do so. I don’t know about Catholic Answers. Only organizations that are part of the Catholic Church have to do this. The Church requires it. Your parish has to do this. Hospitals and schools must have these available for people who ask to see them. Private corporations operate according to civil law, not ecclesial law. The individual priest, religious and laity are bound to follow Church law, but not the corporation.
Thank you, Br JR, for the clarification regarding the reporting requirements (or not) in Church law. I was referring to the legal requirements imposed by the IRS on 501(c)3 nonprofits operating within the United States. In addition to the requirement to file an annual Form 990 (which becomes public information after it is filed–usually a few months into the next tax year), there are state requirements in most states that require annual reregistering and reaffirming tax status. It is true that private, for-profit corporations are not required to file these forms, as their donors/customers are not receiving the benefits of the charitable tax deduction, and the recipient corporation is not exempt from taxes. Some religious organizations, though nonprofit, are also exempt from filing public forms, but that is because they are structured as churches, not charitable organizations.

In any case, as the most recent audit (published on the PFL website today) indicates, Priests for Life is registered as a 501(c)3 nonprofit, and is required to file Form 990 annually. There are no 990s public since 2007 or 2008. The audit also acknowledges that PFL is delinquent in meeting state registration requirements (a more common oversight, as the recent flap over Michael Voris’s organization brought to light).

Donors, Catholic or not, depend on the information made available in 990s, and the way this information is analyzed by independent fundraising consultants such as The Foundation Center and *********, to make prudent judgments regarding the stewardship of their gifts. An independent audit, made available ordinarily only internally, does not serve this purpose. With an organization like Priests for Life–which derives its tax-exempt status from cooperation with government filing requirements and limitations on lobbying or other political spending–and particularly with the interlocking nature of so many PFL-related ministries, these safeguards are especially important.

This is not the whole of the question, but I think it might help readers to tease out the differing but equally binding requirements of canon and US law. Thanks for making the distinction.
 
Fr. Pavone is representing Church authority in a non-Church organization.
The bishop states he has asked for an accounting a number of times, prior to this.
**The bishop is clearly within his rights and obligations to recal Fr. P for a face2face.
It’s a no-brainer, IMO. **

I see no lack of charity - only an abundance of grave caution.
It would be wrong to try to guess why the Bishop wanted Fr. Pavone back but it wasn’t for a face-to-face. The second link in post #92 quotes the diocisan spokesperson as saying that the Bishop left town yesterday (the same day Fr. Pavone’s recall was effective) for two weeks and that no meeting has been scheduled.
 
Bold lettering Mine.

The subject matter is indeed horrific (abortion) I am quite surprised that those involved in taking the cause against this evil do not rant far more often. Those in the trenchs do indeed suffer a unique agony.

I personally would be the last one critiquing this priest’s comportment in this regard.
I respect that those in the trenches, as you say, suffer a unique agony. It seems that now God is calling him out of the trenches for awhile- for his own well-being. It’s one thing to be angry- righteous anger can accomplish good things. If I disagreed with someone- or were apathetic to their cause, a ranting angry priest isn’t going to make me think “hmm…his cause is obviously very important to him- I should care about it and join it.” If I saw someone like that, I would think “his cause just makes people bitter and crazy” and since I don’t want to be that way, I would avoid them.
 
If Fr. Pavone was incardinated in the Archdiocese of NY, I wonder how Tim Dolan would have handled this? Perhaps no differently?
 
I agree. Just yesteday, I heard or read somewhere that Priests for Life was organizing a massive get out the vote campaign for pro-life efforts. And now, today, we are smacked with this news.

One has to wonder how serious the Church really is about promoting pro-life efforts.
One glaring ommission from all of this is any word on how to keep the pro-life momentum going for the next 14 months. One would hope that Bishop Zurek did not yank Fr. Pavone out of Priests for Life without offering aid in filling the void.

I wonder if pro-life work is a little out of Bishop Zurek’s comfort zone and that might be partially behind all of this. I tried to find anti-abortion statements on the diocisan website and came up empty. He seems to have a very impressive CV but Respect Life work does not seem to be one of his areas of focus.
 
Please take off your knee-jerk Catholic apologist hat for a moment, and look at it objectively.
Is that your charitable approach to me?

You’re entitled to your opinion.
You’re NOT entitled to bash me.
Your own imaginary response to bishop is irrelevant.
 
Perhaps some are concerned that PFL is weakened (or incapable of functioning) w/o Fr Pavone at the head of the organization.
 
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