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Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Should Catholics be using the term “father” for the priests or the pope?
 
matthew 23:9 and call no man your father upon the earth: For one is your father, which is in heaven.

should catholics be using the term “father” for the priests or the pope?
so on legal papes were asked for your fathers name do you put God?
 
Hopefully you understand that when Christ speaks of calling no man father in Matthew you understood this to be in regards to stature, right?

Or do you?
 
Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Should Catholics be using the term “father” for the priests or the pope?
On occasion you will encounter one of our separated brethren who will criticize Catholics because they call their priest “father” citing Matthew 23:9: “And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, who is in heaven.” (KJV). If one takes this passage literally and out of the context in which it is used in the Bible, this might seem to be a fair criticism.

What does this individual call their male parent? Daddy? Papa (which, incidentally, is Italian for Pope)? When they fill out a credit application, what do they put in the block which asks for their father’s name – God? Obviously, there is a meaning of this scriptural passage other than the literal one; this meaning is called the contextual meaning. In Matthew 23:9, Jesus is taking the Pharisees to task for requiring the people to perform rigorous tasks while avoiding these tasks themselves. The Pharisees were quick to accept places of honor and marks of public respect, but were not making the burden of the people any lighter. They were not ‘fathering’ or ‘teaching;’ they were not providing the loving example. The contextual meaning of this passage is that there is only one Creator, from whom all ‘fatherhood’ comes (Ephesians 3:14-15). We cannot claim the title of “father” or “teacher” if we do not emulate Gods’ example. This passage does not preclude addressing someone as “father” so long as it is understood that all fatherhood (both biological and spiritual) originates with God the Father. We are all members of God’s family, a fact we acknowledge every time we recite the ‘Our Father’ or the Creed.

Now let’s look at how the term “father” is used elsewhere in Holy Scripture: Paul calls himself a “father” in 1 Thessalonians 2:11: “As ye know how we exhorted and comforted and charged every one of you, as a father does his children.” (KJV) and again in 1 Corinthians 4:15: “For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.” (KJV). In both of these passages Paul considers himself a spiritual father just as the priest is today. This same interpretation is presented by John in 1 John 2:13-14 where he says twice “I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning.” (KJV). Saint Stephen, in his address to the Sanhedrin (Acts 7:1-53), calls people “father” 17 times; he became the first Christian martyr not because of this, but because he was bearing the testimony of Christ.

Finally, you might ask this individual if they are familiar with the New International Version of the Bible (a common very good modern Protestant translation). If they are, refer them to Matthew 23:10, the verse immediately after the one they quoted to you, “Nor are you to be called ‘teacher,’ for you have one Teacher, the Christ.” Even they have Sunday School teachers.
 
Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Should Catholics be using the term “father” for the priests or the pope?
You’re on a roll. 🙂

Should you call your father, Father, Dad, Pop, or any other name that means father?

You didn’t answer several questions asked of you on your post about not liking the Catholic Church. Perhaps you’ll answer one of those questions here.

Which Catholic doctrines do you disagree with?
 
Bill really speaks well in post #6 in helping us to see the context of the scripture.
Context is so important.

The context of a priest being a for - father in faith is often appropriate but does not always fit, if i pray for a brothers baby at baptism, and through all his sacraments, share with him all i know of God and when he is a seminarian pray God guides him and he becomes a priest how is it we know he is my for farther in faith it could be i am his for - father in faith?

My PP does not have enough time to father us all to father takes much devotion and would require small congregations and many priests. We don’t have this where i live.

My previous PP once told me we need to talk about the creation story in private, never contacted me and when i went to his house he welcomed me but would not discuss the scripture and told me he did not have a bible.
A loving kind man but not a fatherly example. Fathers provide, The Father feeds us spiritual food that He offers.

We have had a minority of priests do horrible ungodly stuff to us surley they were not acting like a true father. You see we dont know the heart of men God does. He knows who your for fathers are, does the pope know who sits where at the table? No even Jesus (pbwh) did. Only God does.

I think we all do some fathering to each other if we love each other.

I guess if you believe Paul is the founder of Christian religion (acts) and he is the path of anointing calling a priest father would be ok.

If you see Peter as the founder and path of anointing you would see them and us as brothers given Jesus (pbwh) instructed us so.

I call my PP and all the priests i know Brother they have had no objection and i do not mean any disrespect in doing this i really praise God for the wonderful selflessness of Jesus (pbwh) they aspire to give to us.

I was once told the best thing a man can do is do everything like Jesus (pbwh) would, when you decide what to watch on tv choose as he would. When you are cut of by an impatient driver react as Jesus would.

If you want to walk in the way of Jesus (pbwh) pray as he taught and speak as he said to. What man has authority above him?
 
You’re on a roll. 🙂

Should you call your father, Father, Dad, Pop, or any other name that means father?

You didn’t answer several questions asked of you on your post about not liking the Catholic Church. Perhaps you’ll answer one of those questions here.

Which Catholic doctrines do you disagree with?
Many things that have been endlessly debated and not worth rehashing with you. :rolleyes:
 
playing semantics:rolleyes:

The bible clearly says “father”.

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
In case you don’t know the next verse, which you probably don’t, it also says not to call anyone “master”, which means you can’t use Mister or Mrs, which are nothing but variant spellings of “master”.

OTOH, Jesus did NOT hesitate to refer to some people as “fathers.”

Both St. Paul and St. Stephen addressed gatherings in the Synagogues as “fathers”.

And St. John called some people to whom he was writing “fathers”.

Now what?
 
In case you don’t know the next verse, which you probably don’t, it also says not to call anyone “master”, which means you can’t use Mister or Mrs, which are nothing but variant spellings of “master”.

OTOH, Jesus did NOT hesitate to refer to some people as “fathers.”

Both St. Paul and St. Stephen addressed gatherings in the Synagogues as “fathers”.

And St. John called some people to whom he was writing “fathers”.

Now what?
** I feel Cara is right in asking a good question. Now the Catholics are tied down in literal and metaphoric and contextual matters.

Previously when we were telling them about son of God as symbolic the Catholics said “No.” That is real son. Even more than that, the Catholics tried to make Jesus a begotten son and the only begotten son. Could that also be all symbolic or spiritual context?

Here, the question is not whether God is the father or not. The problem is that Jesus said, “Do not call any one your father on earth…”

But we see that order or advice is being disobeyed openly by the Catholics. There are so many unmarried fathers in the church. Why they are called “father”?? If the Catholics take liberty with the scriptures like that then there will be no truth left in the scripture. It will become a joke.**
 
AsSalum o Aleikum Planten,
long time no speak to u.
I trust Allah is guiding you well.
Blessings to you and yours
 
** I feel Cara is right in asking a good question. Now the Catholics are tied down in literal and metaphoric and contextual matters.

Previously when we were telling them about son of God as symbolic the Catholics said “No.” That is real son. Even more than that, the Catholics tried to make Jesus a begotten son and the only begotten son. Could that also be all symbolic or spiritual context?

Here, the question is not whether God is the father or not. The problem is that Jesus said, “Do not call any one your father on earth…”

But we see that order or advice is being disobeyed openly by the Catholics. There are so many unmarried fathers in the church. Why they are called “father”?? If the Catholics take liberty with the scriptures like that then there will be no truth left in the scripture. It will become a joke.**
If you are going to take it to mean “anyone”, then you should call no one father. What do you call your father?
 
In case you don’t know the next verse, which you probably don’t, it also says not to call anyone “master”, which means you can’t use Mister or Mrs, which are nothing but variant spellings of “master”.

OTOH, Jesus did NOT hesitate to refer to some people as “fathers.”

Both St. Paul and St. Stephen addressed gatherings in the Synagogues as “fathers”.

And St. John called some people to whom he was writing “fathers”.

Now what?
Cara will not answer, but maybe someone else who agrees with that position will respond.

This is a trolling thread, but if we take it away from the OP who can’t debate her own points, it might be worth looking at.
 
Cara will not answer, but maybe someone else who agrees with that position will respond.

This is a trolling thread, but if we take it away from the OP who can’t debate her own points, it might be worth looking at.
No need to stir the pot katl; I see no credible evidence to debate.
🤷
 
No need to stir the pot katl; I see no credible evidence to debate.
🤷
It’s a debate that the “other side” can’t win, but it’s a common criticism of he Catholic Church.

It’s another example of someone’s misunderstanding that leads them to doubt the church. They get this from the media and from their religious leaders, so it’s worth correcting here, I think.

IMO, the OP was trolling, but it’s a good question. We can drop the OP and keep the question open. 🙂
 
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