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They don’t from pictures I have seen.
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Tis_Bearself
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Father Gruner may have been a very nice man and meant well. However, it’s my understanding that
- He was suspended from his priestly duties for failing to obey his superior (he continued to deny that he was ever suspended);
- At least two dioceses warned their parishioners not to support his activities after he was suspended;
- His opinion on Fatima was publicly contradicted by Sister Lucia;
- He was sued for defamation by several people whose opinions about Fatima/ Lucia he misrepresented and attacked, and the plaintiffs won;
- He supported the alleged Bayside apparition which was condemned by the Church.
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Bishop Sheen was certainly Traditional, and he sometimes referred to Fatima in the 1950s. At that time most Catholics had a good knowledge of public revelation and how it differed from private revelation. They knew the role of the Magisterium.
If Sheen were preaching now I don’t think he would mention Fatima. Most Catholics lack a sound basis in public revelation, they are trained in a Secular culture hostile to religious authority.
In the 1950s private revelation was rarely abused. Since then it has been abused wildly, usually by people with good intentions but sometimes by those who oppose the Magisterium. They use Fatima, etc. as
a way of justifying disobedience, evaluating Vatican and bishop.
If Sheen lived today he wouldn’t publicly mention any private revelation, as a matter of prudence. He would fight for doctrinal instruction.
Sheen advised the Laity to urge priests and bishops to do their jobs. He never told laity to do the Bishop’s job, which is what is happening now with the websites.
If Sheen were preaching now I don’t think he would mention Fatima. Most Catholics lack a sound basis in public revelation, they are trained in a Secular culture hostile to religious authority.
In the 1950s private revelation was rarely abused. Since then it has been abused wildly, usually by people with good intentions but sometimes by those who oppose the Magisterium. They use Fatima, etc. as
a way of justifying disobedience, evaluating Vatican and bishop.
If Sheen lived today he wouldn’t publicly mention any private revelation, as a matter of prudence. He would fight for doctrinal instruction.
Sheen advised the Laity to urge priests and bishops to do their jobs. He never told laity to do the Bishop’s job, which is what is happening now with the websites.
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There was a movie “The Miracle of Our Lady of Fatima”…it starred Gilbert Roland…I think it was made in the fifties…in color…you can still buy the DVD on Amazon…it’s a good little movie…and it stays pretty much true to the events what happened.
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JimR-OCDS
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I have that movie on DVD.
Just like The Song of St Bernadette, which I also have, there is much false drama made by Hollywood for entertainment value.
Just like The Song of St Bernadette, which I also have, there is much false drama made by Hollywood for entertainment value.
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Victoria33
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Speaking of movies:
It’s been in the news that Mel Gibson contemplated a movie on Fatima and?? Did it not go anywhere?
I am almost hesitant to post some links here, one never knows where they will go to but this is probably alright here, it sounds like it says he probably visited Sister Lucia way back around 2003 when she was still alive.:
www.gloria.tv
And I found more articles on this topic through bing search: “mel gibson movie fatima”
The picture above actually does show him visiting Sister Lucia.
Then, EWTN seems to show some Portuguese or Italian movie on Fatima every year.
Yes, our Catholic school showed us “The Miracle of Our Lady of Fatima”, it’s pretty good… in that movie, St. Francisco does not hear the messages of Our Lady of Fatima because, how does the line go? “He must say many more Rosaries”, ahem! Look who is writing this? Me.
I always wondered about this project…interesting.
Also, first the Miracle Hunter had a website but it’s gotten onto radio now.
http://miraclehunter.com/radio/
I find it entertaining to listen to, should I happen to catch it but it’s not like I go to great measures to listen to the show.
Don’t get me wrong though, I believe the Miracle Hunter is totally since and I have never seen anything that conflicts with Catholic doctrine.
It’s just that apparitions, even if approved are not really the center of my faith and devotion. There are other things but perhaps, these tales of “apparitions” can spark interest that attract people of the faith and FTR, for the record, I will only include those apparitions we call “approved”, Lourdes, Fatima and so on.
That’s great if one wants to read about miracles. I do believe though, that feeding the poor, being compassionate and kind are indeed, more important in my walk of faith. Praying and so on.
It’s been in the news that Mel Gibson contemplated a movie on Fatima and?? Did it not go anywhere?
I am almost hesitant to post some links here, one never knows where they will go to but this is probably alright here, it sounds like it says he probably visited Sister Lucia way back around 2003 when she was still alive.:
Mel Gibson & New Fatima Movie?
TradCatKnight: Mel Gibson & New Fatima Movie? Mel Gibson & New Fatima Movie? Mr. Gibson visits Sister Lucia There has been alot of speculation over the last decade that involves a possible movie from Mel Gibson covering the Fatima message. I have recently written a letter addressed to Mel...
www.gloria.tv
And I found more articles on this topic through bing search: “mel gibson movie fatima”
The picture above actually does show him visiting Sister Lucia.
Then, EWTN seems to show some Portuguese or Italian movie on Fatima every year.
Yes, our Catholic school showed us “The Miracle of Our Lady of Fatima”, it’s pretty good… in that movie, St. Francisco does not hear the messages of Our Lady of Fatima because, how does the line go? “He must say many more Rosaries”, ahem! Look who is writing this? Me.
I always wondered about this project…interesting.
He might imho. Catholic radio shows that at least, I hear of, mention a lot of these things. And EWTN will comment on this.
Also, first the Miracle Hunter had a website but it’s gotten onto radio now.
http://miraclehunter.com/radio/
I find it entertaining to listen to, should I happen to catch it but it’s not like I go to great measures to listen to the show.
Don’t get me wrong though, I believe the Miracle Hunter is totally since and I have never seen anything that conflicts with Catholic doctrine.
It’s just that apparitions, even if approved are not really the center of my faith and devotion. There are other things but perhaps, these tales of “apparitions” can spark interest that attract people of the faith and FTR, for the record, I will only include those apparitions we call “approved”, Lourdes, Fatima and so on.
That’s great if one wants to read about miracles. I do believe though, that feeding the poor, being compassionate and kind are indeed, more important in my walk of faith. Praying and so on.
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I’m not sure what all of this means. The story of writing the “Song of Bernadette” is very inspiring. A Jew who fled the Nazis and visited Lourdes in that time, wrote it. It’s like a message from heaven in itself.
The Song of Bernadette and the real life of Saint Bernadette ~
Similarities and Differences between the film "Song of Bernadette" and the real life of St Bernadette of Lourdes
www.writespirit.net
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JimR-OCDS
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The movies aren’t historically correct is what is meant
I’ve been to Lourdes and have read much about it and St Bernadette.
I also saw St Bernadette’s incorrupt body in Nevers France.
I’ve been to Lourdes and have read much about it and St Bernadette.
I also saw St Bernadette’s incorrupt body in Nevers France.
Tis_Bearself
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There is probably no movie ever that is 100 percent historically correct.
“The Song of Bernadette,” both movie and book (which also had fictional elements added, namely an atheist character who gets converted), are still beautiful and inspiring works of art, and convey the basic story of what happened. For many people, that may be sufficient and spiritually beneficial. I know I enjoyed both book and movie.
“The Song of Bernadette,” both movie and book (which also had fictional elements added, namely an atheist character who gets converted), are still beautiful and inspiring works of art, and convey the basic story of what happened. For many people, that may be sufficient and spiritually beneficial. I know I enjoyed both book and movie.
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JimR-OCDS
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I agree, they’re beautiful movies which provide most of what took place
However, they added much for entertainment value
They did do a good job on it though.
Both photography and even the level of vocabulary used was very good for even today.
“Pedagogy,” how often do you see that word used today ?
However, they added much for entertainment value
They did do a good job on it though.
Both photography and even the level of vocabulary used was very good for even today.
“Pedagogy,” how often do you see that word used today ?
Tis_Bearself
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I fear people would mistake “pedagogy” for something else.
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Victoria33
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It is almost a wonder the ‘Song of Bernadette’ was released at all. I mean this was made during the depth of World War II and as said, the author of the book fled the Nazis and I also appreciate that it basically demonstrated Catholic values
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The Song of Bernadette (film) - Wikipedia
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Victoria33
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I heard someone critque the 2001 movie “Pearl Harbor” recently, saying “Tora, Tora, Tora” was more accurate. So, in the end, I think most movies may be criticized in this manner.
I’ve seen the French follow up movie on St. Bernadette, I’ve seen the Portuguese more modern movie on Fatima. To me, they largely seem to follow the earlier movies though, I don’t doubt there may be historical departures.
It might be good to to clue in others as to what inaccuracies one has problems with.
I’ve seen the French follow up movie on St. Bernadette, I’ve seen the Portuguese more modern movie on Fatima. To me, they largely seem to follow the earlier movies though, I don’t doubt there may be historical departures.
It might be good to to clue in others as to what inaccuracies one has problems with.
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I believe Mel Gibson is making or has finished making a movies on the Resurrection…not sure when it is being released…but I did read an article where Jim Caviezel (Passion of the Christ) said something to the effect that it will shock people.
Tis_Bearself
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The movie of “Song of Bernadette” has the following inaccuracies:
- Bernadette’s male friend (who actually existed in real life) is portrayed as having a romantic interest in her (no evidence of that in real life), in both the book and the film.
- The prosecutor played by Vincent Price is portrayed as being anti-Catholic when in real life the prosecutor was a devout Catholic and thought Bernadette was suffering from hallucinations. For the film, this character of Prosecutor Dutour was combined with another fictional character from the book who was a “freethinker” based on the author Emile Zola, who had written a book criticizing Lourdes.
- The hostile religious sister portrayed in the film and book as being Bernadette’s teacher and a member of the convent where Bernadette was sent was fictionalized. A sister of that name was at the convent, but she was not Bernadette’s teacher.
- Bernadette’s death was fictionalized in both the book and film. Father Peyramale actually died before Bernadette, so he was not present. Bernadette’s last words in real life were different and she did not die as peacefully.
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JimR-OCDS
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Another thing that the movie did not show is that Bernadette was in fact present at the dedication of the chapel at Lourdes.
Also, Bernadette while at the hospice in Lourdes, came down with pneumonia and was given water from the Grotto, for which she was cured. The movie showed Bernadette refusing water from Lourdes saying, “The Spring is not for me.”
The best book that I’ve come across is “Saint Bernadette Soubirous”
by François Trochu
The one thing about St Bernadette, there is no novena’s to her, nor a feast day for her. Only for Our Lady of Lourdes, February 11, which is optional in the LOTHs.
St. Bernadette was humble in life and in death
Also, Bernadette while at the hospice in Lourdes, came down with pneumonia and was given water from the Grotto, for which she was cured. The movie showed Bernadette refusing water from Lourdes saying, “The Spring is not for me.”
The best book that I’ve come across is “Saint Bernadette Soubirous”
by François Trochu
The one thing about St Bernadette, there is no novena’s to her, nor a feast day for her. Only for Our Lady of Lourdes, February 11, which is optional in the LOTHs.
St. Bernadette was humble in life and in death
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JohnWithFries
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This whole thread is one reason why the Church used to forbid public debate about the Faith unless permission was given. This thread was a stupid idea, OP.
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Tis_Bearself
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She has a feast day in some countries of Feb 18 and in a number of other countries of Apr 16. She is not on the calendar in USA.
There are also several novenas to her on PrayMoreNovenas and elsewhere.
It doesn’t take away from her humility though.
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I know some may have novenas to St Bernadette, but there isn’t a memorial to her in any of the LOTHs translations that I know of.
When I was in France, there were cards with prayers to St Bernadette, but not at Lourdes, which was totally to the Blessed Mother
When I was in France, there were cards with prayers to St Bernadette, but not at Lourdes, which was totally to the Blessed Mother
Tis_Bearself
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I would presume LOTH would follow the Universal Calendar of the Church. Many saints, including St. Bernadette, are not on the Universal Calendar.
In France and some other places, her feast day is an optional memorial celebrated on Feb 18.
http://www.gcatholic.org/calendar/2019/FR-en.htm
In Australia and New Zealand, and some other places, her feast day is an optional memorial celebrated on April 16. However, that date often causes it to be superseded by Holy Week or Easter Week. I believe the most recently that the optional memorial actually occurred on the calendar was 2016 as shown here:
http://www.gcatholic.org/calendar/2016/AU-en.htm
In France and some other places, her feast day is an optional memorial celebrated on Feb 18.
http://www.gcatholic.org/calendar/2019/FR-en.htm
In Australia and New Zealand, and some other places, her feast day is an optional memorial celebrated on April 16. However, that date often causes it to be superseded by Holy Week or Easter Week. I believe the most recently that the optional memorial actually occurred on the calendar was 2016 as shown here:
http://www.gcatholic.org/calendar/2016/AU-en.htm
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