Fatima, the work of satan?

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Sister Lucia wrote a book with the permission of the Vatican, I could quote from it, but it’s too long to type now.

Better to read it for yourself, page 135, The eleventh call of the message, " Call to Devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary".

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LilyM said:
Fatima is a private revelation.

Popes such as John Paul 2 have paid attention to it and more or less tried to do what Our Lady requested, but none the less it remains private revelation. For example, arguably Russia hasn’t been consecrated as was requested, but there is no pain of sin or any such attached to this fact.

And apparently, according to Sr Lucia (one of the visionaries) Our Lady accepted the general consecration of the world in the place of the specific consecration of Russia.

Public revelation, which ended with the death of the Apostle John (even though the apostolic beliefs and teachings are constantly being refined and developed), doesn’t chop and change in quite such a quick and arbitrary fashion.

And for anyone, including a Pope, to refuse to obey the dictates of publicly revealed (apostolic) truth (for example to deny the dogma of the Trinity or some such) would indeed incur the pain of sin.
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Thanks for explaining that. I misunderstood it as there were many witness to the event of Fatima.

I also found the explanation here which does not alter my belief in Fatima 🙂 ewtn.com/library/SCRIPTUR/PRIPUB.TXT
 
mikeledes said:
A private revelation is not infallible like the Bible and that is why it does not become part of Divine Revelation. There can be errors in the transmission of a message.

God Bless,
Michael
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The reason stated above is precisely why I would question living by the promises/request as seen through the vision, ie praying to Mary’s immaculate heart.
 
myfavoritmartin said:
The reason stated above is precisely why I would question living by the promises/request as seen through the vision, ie praying to Mary’s immaculate heart.
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We pray for her intercession through the Rosary, etc - in which we meditate on the Mysteries of Christ.
 
mikeledes said:
A private revelation is not infallible like the Bible and that is why it does not become part of Divine Revelation. There can be errors in the transmission of a message.

God Bless,
Michael
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The reason stated above is precisely why I would question living by the promises/request as seen through the vision, ie praying to Mary’s immaculate heart.
 
water said:
We pray for her intercession through the Rosary, etc - in which we meditate on the Mysteries of Christ.
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I know. but Christ teaches us to pray like this…
Our Father who art in heaven…
 
myfavoritmartin said:
The reason stated above is precisely why I would question living by the promises/request as seen through the vision, ie praying to Mary’s immaculate heart.
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Praying to the Immaculate Heart is not a requirement. If it were a commandment that was part of public revelation, then it would be absolutely neccessary. It is simply meant to aid us in our journey to our eternal home.

God Bless,
Michael
 
Tom317 said:
One does not have to live in such a way, it is a choice.
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Yes I am aware of that, and stated as much… So the question remains, you don’t have to but do you? We know JP2 did, but I am curious about you guys personally.
 
mikeledes said:
God also tells us to pray for one another and we have several instances where Paul himself asks for prayers.

God Bless,
Michael
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Mike,
Different scenarios and you are wise enough to know that.
 
myfavoritmartin said:
Yes I am aware of that, and stated as much… So the question remains, you don’t have to but do you? We know JP2 did, but I am curious about you guys personally.
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I personally am not a devotee of Fatima, but I’m not against those who are.

God Bless,
Michael
 
mikeledes said:
It is simply meant to aid us in our journey to our eternal home.

God Bless,
Michael
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Mike this is the whole point I was trying to make what if it is as mentioned…
2 cor 11:14
And it is no wonder; for even Satan himself is able to take the form of an angel of light

The dark ones work, then it is truly not aiding in your journey home and that is why it must be compared to scripture.
 
myfavoritmartin said:
I know. but Christ teaches us to pray like this…
Our Father who art in heaven…
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Well to take your attitude to its reductio ad absurdum, to pray anything other than the Our Father would be wrong.

And whatever scripture has to say or not about prayers to the Saints, there is a prayer to St Joseph that apparently was written sometime within the first century after Christ’s death - the oldest known prayer to Mary is about a hundred years after that. Do you really think the early Church went so far off the rails so early?
 
myfavoritmartin said:
Mike this is the whole point I was trying to make what if it is as mentioned…
2 cor 11:14
And it is no wonder; for even Satan himself is able to take the form of an angel of light

The dark ones work, then it is truly not aiding in your journey home and that is why it must be compared to scripture.
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If something is of Satan, then it cannot lead you to God. I don’t believe Fatima is a work of Satan.

God Bless,
Michael
 
LilyM said:
Well to take your attitude to its reductio ad absurdum, to pray anything other than the Our Father would be wrong.

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C’mon Lily, the words 'like this" means for example. sheesh…
You know that is not what was being ensinuated in my comment.
 
mikeledes said:
If something is of Satan, then it cannot lead you to God. I don’t believe Fatima is a work of Satan.

God Bless,
Michael
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It fact if it where it would lead your attention away from Christ, wouldn’t it?
 
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