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Anyone who states that Mary rules alongside the Triune God BLASPHEMY the name of God. For there is only one God in heaven. One Lord and one King. And his name is Jesus. We are saved to SERVE God and not rule as Gods ourselves. This was Lucifer’s intent before he was cast out from heaven and is the intent today of a secret Catholic movement who promotes the rulership and Queenship of Mary alongside the Triune God. For Mary to have such authority, she would have to be a goddess herself, which she is NOT, nor ever will be. One does not BECOME God, one is God. We were created spirits and given human bodies by God himself and so was Mary. God ALWAYS WAS, but we were not. Forsake this lie of Satan and repent. For ONE rules in heaven and none other.

Ron from Ohio
 
Anyone who states that Mary rules alongside the Triune God BLASPHEMY the name of God.
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Only God is God, but “we will also reign with him” (2 Tim 2:12) if we endure.
 
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MariaG:
As the starter of this thread, just wanted to give my “blessings” on going off track. I got the information I needed for now. The Lamb’s Supper followed by Rome Sweet Home.
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Maria,

Please also put “Swear to God” on your list!! It has completely juiced me up on the Sacraments!
 
jpusateri,

Juiced up about the Sacrements? Uh oh my list seems to be growing.

Thanks,
Maria
 
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rarndt01:
Anyone who states that Mary rules alongside the Triune God BLASPHEMY the name of God. For there is only one God in heaven. One Lord and one King. And his name is Jesus. We are saved to SERVE God and not rule as Gods ourselves.
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If Jesus put her there, who are we to say that he CANNOT? Who are we to say he WOULD NOT? Jesus obeys the commandments perfectly. He honors his Father and Mother completely. There is no contradiction in His elevating her to a place of honor (not worship).

Her queenship (as has been said but bears restating) parallels the old Israel kings (see Solomon) whose mother was the queen and had influence over him. Her requests, on behalf of others, bears more weight than the individuals’ requests themselves.

She (or anyone) has NO power that God does not supply. It may just be a greater influence.

If she were to presume elevation to this state, I would agree to a sin of Pride like Lucifer. She did not. God chooses. He descends to us and ALLOWS us to participate. He NEEDS nothing. He DESIRES us to participate. He LETS us choose.

It’s all about God. “Because He is God and we are not.” (As Theresa Tomeo used to say on Relevant Radio.)
 
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rarndt01:
MrS4ntA

What you don’t understand is apostolic tradition. You equate anything the PRESENT DAY MAGISTERIUM decrees is tradition and must be accepted, just as much as the tradition of the apostles. Who told you that?

As I previously posted. Jesus told his disciples what to say and preach and they in turn taught others what to say and teach. THAT was the TRUE church tradition. That tradition was passed on to the early church fathers such as Clement of Rome, Irenaeus and Justin Martyr. They SPOKE by the authority of the apostles. Why? Because it had been passed on to them.

Nothing had been passed on to them about bishops not being permitted to marry or allowing homosexuals to become bishops. Nor was it passed on to these early fathers that Mary was their co-redeemer and their Queen of heaven over all the angels and saints themselves. They ADDED nothing unto the traditions they had been taught.

But over the centuries Rome sure did. Rosaries, graven images, incense, homosexual priests, adulterous Popes, Mary worship, indulgences for money, the Spanish inquisition of thousands and the covering up of pedophile priests in America today.

Can you imagine this occurring in the post apostolic church? These things would NEVER have been permitted. The early church was PURE and holy and most were MARTYRS for their faith. Today millions of dollars are spent to pay off families who are abused by priests. Today Rome STILL refuses to allow young men to marry who are in the priesthood, despite the FACT that for a THOUSAND years in church history young bishops were allowed to marry.

Also, as I posted Rome today denies the church lay people the right to receive BOTH the consecrated wine and bread during Mass. ONLY the priest receives both. Is this the example Jesus set before his disciples? Is this what the post apostolic church did when assembled? Never.

So respectively, DON’T tell me that I should believe and follow the present day magisterium, when they do not even follow the early apostolic tradition of the Catholic church. The present day church changes apostolic tradition to FIT THEIR TRADITION.

Ron from Ohio
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Rarndt,
be careful my brother, you are bordering close to formal heresy…

That is PRECISELY the potestant view on our Church. the monument image of the Church (instead of a growing tree), the lack of understanding of Our Blessed Queen’s role, the misundertsanding of the Church’s authority and her unity, apostolicity, catholicity and sanctity.

Frankly, I’m surprised hearing that coming from a Catholic!
 
mrS4ntA

Ok, I will give you the chance to prove once and for all, that the Queenship of Mary ruling alongside of the Triune God came from apostolic tradition. Quote just ONE father who quotes Paul, Peter, Luke, John or James that said Mary after her ascension was made Queen of all heaven and rules alongside of God. Either produce your quote or shut your smart mouth. I await your quote.
Ron from Ohio
 
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rarndt01:
mrS4ntA

Ok, I will give you the chance to prove once and for all, that the Queenship of Mary ruling alongside of the Triune God came from apostolic tradition. Quote just ONE father who quotes Paul, Peter, Luke, John or James that said Mary after her ascension was made Queen of all heaven and rules alongside of God. Either produce your quote or shut your smart mouth. I await your quote.
Ron from Ohio
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Revelation 12
usccb.org/nab/bible/revelation/revelation12.htm
 
Neh. 2:6 - the Queen Mother sits beside the King. She is the primary intercessor before the King. santa maria madre de dios…:blessyou:
 
What church father ever said, that one of the apostles said that Mary was the Queen pictured in Revelation 12? Put up or shut up. I say you all lie to promote what the early fathers never said of the apostles. Prove to me that you are not all a bunch of liars.

Ron from Ohio
 
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rarndt01:
Anyone who states that Mary rules alongside the Triune God BLASPHEMY the name of God. For there is only one God in heaven. One Lord and one King. And his name is Jesus. We are saved to SERVE God and not rule as Gods ourselves. This was Lucifer’s intent before he was cast out from heaven and is the intent today of a secret Catholic movement who promotes the rulership and Queenship of Mary alongside the Triune God. For Mary to have such authority, she would have to be a goddess herself, which she is NOT, nor ever will be. One does not BECOME God, one is God. We were created spirits and given human bodies by God himself and so was Mary. God ALWAYS WAS, but we were not. Forsake this lie of Satan and repent. For ONE rules in heaven and none other.

Ron from Ohio
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Go back to the topic Ron
 
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jpusateri:
Her queenship (as has been said but bears restating) parallels the old Israel kings (see Solomon) whose mother was the queen and had influence over him. Her requests, on behalf of others, bears more weight than the individuals’ requests themselves.
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Hi Jpusateri, ( with apologies to MariaG but I note your acceptance)
I want to start by saying I am not catholic and do not understand your position on Mary. I do try and so this explanation caught my eye. It reminded me of
I Samuel 8:6 But the thing displeased Samuel when they said, " Give us a king to judge us." So Samuel prayed to the Lord.
1Samuel 8:7 And the Lord said to Samuel, " Heed the voice of the people in all that they say to you: for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me,that I should not reign over them."
Now I understand from this, that God wants a personal relationship with us and does not want an intercessor as an intercessor is a rejection. Now Jesus is God and is not an ordinary King. Is Mary a person? If she is, does God want her as an intercessor. If He does, does that mean He has changed His mind?
Christ be with you,
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edwinG
 
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rarndt01:
What church father ever said, that one of the apostles said that Mary was the Queen pictured in Revelation 12? Put up or shut up. I say you all lie to promote what the early fathers never said of the apostles. Prove to me that you are not all a bunch of liars.

Ron from Ohio
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:banghead: ::

Oh, dear… I give up! :banghead:

:gopray:

Hail, Holy Queen,
Mother of Mercy
Hail, our life, our sweetness and our hope
To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve
To thee do we send up our sighs,
mourning and weeping in this valley of tears.
Turn, then, most gracious Advocate,
thine eyes of mercy towards us.
And after this – our exile –
show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb,
Jesus,
O clement, o loving, o sweet Virgin Mary…

Help of Christians, pray for us… :gopray2:
Queen of Apostles, pray for us… :gopray2:
Queen of all Saints, pray for us…
Queen conceived without Original Sin, pray for us…
Queen assumed into Heaven, pray for us…
Queen of the most holy rosary, pray for us…
Queen of Angels, pray for us… :gopray2:
Mediatrix of all graces, pray for us… :gopray2:
Exterminatrix of heresies, pray for us… :gopray2:
Our Lady of Mt Carmel, pray for us…
 
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edwinG:
If she is, does God want her as an intercessor. If He does, does that mean He has changed His mind?
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St.James said :

"… and pray also for one another… " (James 5:16)

We are intercessors when we pray for our friends, our parents… but only Jesus is Mediator.
 
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                     Notice the DIIFERENCE in WHAT IS SAID in my prayer and the prayer you previously posted;
Hail, Holy King,
Lord of Mercy
Hail, our life, our sweetness and our hope
To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve
To thee do we send up our sighs,
mourning and weeping in this valley of tears.
Turn, then, most gracious Advocate,
thine eyes of mercy towards us.
And after this – our exile –
show unto us thy word and guide us by thy spirit,
Jesus,
O clement, o loving, o sweet blessed Savior…

Help of Christians, pray for us… :gopray2:
Lord of the Apostles, pray for us… :gopray2:
Lord of all Saints, pray for us…
The second Adam conceived without Original Sin, pray for us…
Blessed Son of God, assumed into Heaven, pray for us…
Lord who hears all prayers, pray for us…
Creator of Angels, pray for us… :gopray2:
Our Mediater and High Priest, pray for us… :gopray2:
Our living Word of truth, pray for us… :gopray2:
Blessed Son of God, pray for us…

Ron from Ohio.
 
Sarah Jane:
St.James said :

"… and pray also for one another… " (James 5:16)

We are intercessors when we pray for our friends, our parents… but only Jesus is Mediator.
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Hi Sarah Jane,
Yes, I believe completely that we should pray for one another here on earth. That is most definitely a sign of love for our fellow man, to pray for him, especially those who would harm us, or creation, that Jesus may turn their hearts and avert the fire of hatred claiming more victims. But this does not seem to address the post above. I am sorry, I can’t see the link, which spoke about the parallel between the past kings and their mothers having a position which gave them an ear to the king and Mary and Jesus. God did not approve of the system of kings so He certainly could not have approved of the queen’s position. Where does that leave Mary if you use this as an example. Surely in an unapproved situation one step further back even from the king, who God disapproved of.
Christ be with you,
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edwinG
 
In an attempt to realign with original topic:

I have jsut read: Lamb’s Supper and loved it.

with the exception of “Rome Sweet Home” what should I read next? Any suggestions?
 
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edwinG:
I Samuel 8:6 But the thing displeased Samuel when they said, " Give us a king to judge us." So Samuel prayed to the Lord.
1Samuel 8:7 And the Lord said to Samuel, " Heed the voice of the people in all that they say to you: for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me,that I should not reign over them."
Now I understand from this, that God wants a personal relationship with us and does not want an intercessor as an intercessor is a rejection. Now Jesus is God and is not an ordinary King. Is Mary a person? If she is, does God want her as an intercessor. If He does, does that mean He has changed His mind?
Christ be with you,
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edwinG
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I wrote a long response, but I lost it. 😦 Preview early, preview often.

In a nutshell, look at this:
catholic-legate.com/articles/queen.html
Similarly, later when Solomon becomes King, the full parallel is realized. Bathsheba intercedes with her son King Solomon just as Mary does at the wedding feast at Cana with Jesus (Cf. John 2:3-6). Neither Christ nor Solomon refused their mothers’ intercession: “Ask it, my mother, for I will not refuse you.” (1 Kings 2: 20-21). If the sinful Bathsheba could make such a request and command such a response, Our Lord would not likely deny His own Mother.
Just before King Solomon uttered those prophetic words, the King stood up to meet his mother, paid her homage, sat down upon his thrown, and provided a throne for his mother, “who sat at his right hand” (1 Kings 2:19). Sitting at someone’s right hand implies great power (Cf. Luke 22:69). Is God trying to suggest that Mary sits at the right hand of Jesus as Bathsheba sat at the right hand of Solomon? Indeed, recall the ambition of the Apostles James and John when they asked that Jesus grant them seats at His left and right hand. Jesus’ response was indeed an appropriate one,… “to sit at my right or my left is not mine to give but is for those for whom it has been prepared… Whoever wishes to be great among you will be your servant, whoever wishes to be the first among you will be the slave of all. (Mark 10:40-44). Jesus said the greatest must be servant of all, and the greatest servant of the Master, the ‘handmaid of the Lord’ at His right hand, was the servant of the Servant for thirty years of His life.
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When I read that I see that an unparalleled honor is being paid to Mary.

No Catholic says that Mary is necessary for salvation or to reach Jesus. However, if you are in the position of petitioning an earthly king for something and it happens you have the opportunity to speak to his queen about it and she is willing to ask the king for you, how QUICKLY will you JUMP at the chance to have HER do it for you?

Does that diminish the ability you have to go directly to the king? Of course not!! But do you think your petition may be granted because the queen has asked on your behalf? Why, yes it may!

I pray this helps you in a better understanding of our Blessed Mother.
 
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