FBI says San Bernardino Shooting Being Investigated As Act of Terrorism

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lax16 said:
I understand. But personally I do not think this is how they operate. They are given instructions and tools and sent out in the world to shoot up and blow up whenever, wherever.

After the job is done, ISIS claims responsibility. I highly doubt they have a central command for all of their extremist members. If they feel so inclined, go for it. ISIS knows they’ll hear about it after the fact.
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I don’t mean to be overly critical of your assessment but it sounds as though you have knowledge of how ISIS operates that others, including the FBI, don’t have. You may be right but I don’t think we know this for sure concerning how ISIS operates. Another point: the operation, although it did result in several murders and injuries, by most reports was rather sloppily executed compared to the Paris attack. That may reflect on the couple’s not receiving their orders from ISIS or even being in direct contact with the group. Again, as I mentioned, this gap in our information may become filled in over the next few weeks. One thing we do know is that they were ISIS sympathizers.
 
ISIS has been encouraging it’s supporters throughout the world to carry out attacks like this. Are they suppose to have an ISIS membership card, attended a training seminar, or been formally inducted into the group ?
 
meltzerboy said:
I don’t mean to be overly critical of your assessment but it sounds as though you have knowledge of how ISIS operates that others, including the FBI, don’t have. You may be right but I don’t think we know this for sure concerning how ISIS operates. Another point: the operation, although it did result in several murders and injuries, by most reports was rather sloppily executed compared to the Paris attack. That may reflect on the couple’s not receiving their orders from ISIS or even being in direct contact with the group. Again, as I mentioned, this gap in our information may become filled in over the next few weeks. One thing we do know is that they were ISIS sympathizers.
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No just common sense. There is no way these scattered extremists are waiting for word from the top. That would attract too much attention through excessive chatter

I agree it was sloppy, but it still followed the same formula.
 
lax16 said:
No just common sense. There is no way these scattered extremists are waiting for word from the top. That would attract too much attention through excessive chatter

I agree it was sloppy, but it still followed the same formula.
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This follows the same basic El quada pattern.
The unity of these organizations is not to be found in their centralized command and control.
It is to be found in a common motivating ideology, that is held with a religious fervor.
Maybe a more organized country like Iran has sleeper cells. But there is no formal organizational constraints to ISIS. Ever cell is its own independent unit.
What is common is the cause, the ideology, the fundamentalist, supremacist, Islamist religion.
 
Darryl1958 said:
This follows the same basic El quada pattern.
The unity of these organizations is not to be found in their centralized command and control.
It is to be found in a common motivating ideology, that is held with a religious fervor.
Maybe a more organized country like Iran has sleeper cells. But there is no formal organizational constraints to ISIS. Ever cell is its own independent unit.
What is common is the cause, the ideology, the fundamentalist, supremacist, Islamist religion.
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I agree. It makes a lot of sense actually if one if trying to instill fear in average citizens. ISIS members can be anywhere and attack anytime without provocation. They can stock pile ammo, have a job by day to pay for their supplies, marry, have kids…then when the time is right, go for it.

No need for permission. Any target is a good one. Just instill fear and wreak havoc.
 
Darryl1958 said:
This follows the same basic El quada pattern.
The unity of these organizations is not to be found in their centralized command and control.
It is to be found in a common motivating ideology, that is held with a religious fervor.
Maybe a more organized country like Iran has sleeper cells. But there is no formal organizational constraints to ISIS. Ever cell is its own independent unit.
What is common is the cause, the ideology, the fundamentalist, supremacist, Islamist religion.
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I would reword your final statement by saying: “What is common is the cause, the ideology, the fundamentalist, supremacist DISTORTION of Islam for political gain.”
 
meltzerboy said:
I would reword your final statement by saying: “What is common is the cause, the ideology, the fundamentalist, supremacist DISTORTION of Islam for political gain.”
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Political gain? I say world domination.
 
The couple had more in common with Maj. Nidal Hasan, the Army psychiatrist who killed 13 people at Ft. Hood, Texas, in 2009, and with Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who killed three people at the Boston Marathon in 2013 than with the Belgian and French gunmen who killed 130 people last month in Paris.

In contrast with the Paris attacks, there is little sign so far that Farook and Malik were part of a larger conspiracy organized by Islamic State or other militant groups abroad, or were part of a bigger cell in California.

latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-terror-san-bernardino-lone-wolf-20151204-story.html
 
meltzerboy said:
I would reword your final statement by saying: “What is common is the cause, the ideology, the fundamentalist, supremacist DISTORTION of Islam for political gain.”
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I am not not in a position to tell you whether they way that you practice Judaism is the right way, or a distortion of Moses and Abraham.
Likewise, it is up to Muslims to decide what the true Islam is. Only Muslims can decide what their religion is, and what it isn’t.

Political Islam has a very long history in the Islamic world. It has been there from the beginning, or maybe even before the beginning according to some theories put out by people like David Spencer.

I would be very happy if Egyptian president Sisi has the correct, undistorted version of Islam, and that the major school of Islam in Egypt that he prods and pleads with to begin to teach a reformed Islam is the Islam that contains the distortion. People comment however, on how strange and unprecedented it is that the political leader is the one telling the scholar where the true Islam lies.
 
Sy_Noe said:
The couple had more in common with Maj. Nidal Hasan, the Army psychiatrist who killed 13 people at Ft. Hood, Texas, in 2009, and with Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who killed three people at the Boston Marathon in 2013 than with the Belgian and French gunmen who killed 130 people last month in Paris.

In contrast with the Paris attacks, there is little sign so far that Farook and Malik were part of a larger conspiracy organized by Islamic State or other militant groups abroad, or were part of a bigger cell in California.

latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-terror-san-bernardino-lone-wolf-20151204-story.html
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what difference does it make if they were part of a larger conspiracy or not? they still committed an act of terrorism and were inspired to do what they did by ISIS. it doesn’t make the 14 people less dead. or the others wounded less injured. let’s not minimize what happened.
 
Path_Finder said:
Too many of these, very sad. Another one really would put us over the edge, it is insane.

And the thing is, it’s not so much the NRA’s doing, a huge portion of Americans don’t want gun control, some farmer with his weapons in the middle of the US is not doing anyone harm. That’s why it seems band aid fixes don’t work and on the other hand, most proposals don’t seem to really take away from gun freedoms.
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Actually, most gun measures impact ONLY law abiding citizens.
It is also important to remember that the main purpose of gun rights is to give citizens the abity to fight against tyranny, foreign and domestic.
 
Padres1969 said:
Well he’s had the military launch over 20,000 missiles and bombs at Daesh so far. which is about 25x what the closest of our allies has done about them. Don’t know what more you’d like the military to do since the public will not support putting troops into Syria.
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Obama does not care what the public thinks. He will do exactly what he wants on this issue and any other.
 
mary_bobo said:
Obama does not care what the public thinks. He will do exactly what he wants on this issue and any other.
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That kind of behavior may be more typical of second-term Presidents, who need not be poll-driven since they will not be running again for office. Still, there is one’s legacy to think about, not to mention what is good for the country.
 
This is not about domination, its about total destruction. ISIS want to force prophecy and bring on Armageddon. Yep, crazy talk all the way, but that doesn’t mean its not true.
 
meltzerboy said:
That kind of behavior may be more typical of second-term Presidents, who need not be poll-driven since they will not be running again for office. Still, there is one’s legacy to think about, not to mention what is good for the country.
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IMO Obama does not give a rip about his legacy. He came to fundamentally change America and he is doing a very good job of it. I can only shutter to think what he will do with the rest of his time in office.
 
mary_bobo said:
IMO Obama does not give a rip about his legacy. He came to fundamentally change America and he is doing a very good job of it. I can only shutter to think what he will do with the rest of his time in office.
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How about when either Hillary or Trump becomes President? You ain’t seen nothin’ yet!
 
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