FBI says San Bernardino Shooting Being Investigated As Act of Terrorism

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Padres1969 said:
Well he’s had the military launch over 20,000 missiles and bombs at Daesh so far. which is about 25x what the closest of our allies has done about them. Don’t know what more you’d like the military to do since the public will not support putting troops into Syria.
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The numbers you list are paltry actually. Since August 2014, U.S. air power has flown roughly 50,000 sorties. Contrast that with Operation Desert Storm in 1991. Coalition air craft (consisting mostly of U.S. pilots) accumulated a total of 109,876 sorties over the 43-day air war — averaging 2,555 sorties per day!!! That’s 50,000 sorties in 16 months compared to 109,876 sorties in just 43 days! What we’re doing now is a p(name removed by moderator)rick.

Peace, Mark
 
Trump sincerely cares about America;

Some ways this event is treated by the Admin just like the Ft. Hood shooting in the past, is to many of us, absolutely delusional. They refuse to call it terrorism that it is.
 
meltzerboy said:
LOL That sounds to me like an appropriate thought.
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LOL, can you see Mr. Trump saying “We can’t call this what it is, terrorism”, LOL :confused:

Oh, yes, our administration is so caring, talking about being between a rock and a hard place.
 
Mark121359 said:
The numbers you list are paltry actually. Since August 2014, U.S. air power has flown roughly 50,000 sorties. Contrast that with Operation Desert Storm in 1991, coalition air craft (consisting mostly of U.S. pilots) accumulated a total of 109,876 sorties over the 43-day air war — averaging 2,555 sorties per day!!! That’s 50,000 sorties in 16 months compared to 109,876 sorties in just 43 days! What we’re doing now is a p(name removed by moderator)rick.

Peace, Mark
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Thanks for the stats, that’s helpful.
 
Path_Finder said:
Trump sincerely cares about America;

Some ways this event is treated by the Admin just like the Ft. Hood shooting in the past, is to many of us, absolutely delusional. They refuse to call it terrorism that it is.
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I have no doubt that all the current presidential candidates, both Democrat and Republican, care about America. Of course Trump also cares about America: after all, the man is a billionaire. But how much does he care about the “little people”?
 
meltzerboy said:
I have no doubt that all the current presidential candidates, both Democrat and Republican, care about America. Of course Trump also cares about America: after all, the man is a billionaire. But how much does he care about the “little people”?
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He, Trump, sure cares about Vets and has been vocal about how badly the VA hospitals have treated them, he sure cares about Americans whose jobs are threatened by illegal immigration or other loopholes, he sure cares about Americans who get shot in the back and die in their father’s arms by illegal aliens, Americans like Kate Steinle. Hopefully, these Americans are little enough for one.

The above statement seems to almost sound like playing the “rich card”, or how do some commentators say, “class warfare” which is rather disappointing to see.

As if Clinton and some others have not gotten many millions but one has to say Trump has probably created a number of jobs for people.
 
7_Sorrows said:
what difference does it make if they were part of a larger conspiracy or not? they still committed an act of terrorism and were inspired to do what they did by ISIS. it doesn’t make the 14 people less dead. or the others wounded less injured. let’s not minimize what happened.
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No one is minimizing the deaths of 14 people and the wounded. I just think it might be a good idea to remind ourselves once in awhile that so far based on what we know, that this was an individual act not directed by ISIS. The Boston Marathon bombing, Sandyhook, and the Mother Emmanuel mass shooting in SC to name just a few, were also individual acts. I minimize neither the the San Bernadino victims no more nor less than the victims killed at any mass shooting.
 
Asymetric warfare and the war on terror has always been of that nature.
 
Sy_Noe said:
No one is minimizing the deaths of 14 people and the wounded. I just think it might be a good idea to remind ourselves once in awhile that so far based on what we know, that this was an individual act not directed by ISIS. The Boston Marathon bombing, Sandyhook, and the Mother Emmanuel mass shooting in SC to name just a few, were also individual acts. I minimize neither the the San Bernadino victims no more nor less than the victims killed at any mass shooting.
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in other words, you don’t want to call it terrorism?
 
meltzerboy said:
I would call the examples given homegrown or domestic terrorism rather than foreign terrorism. But as you (and Hillary) would say: “What’s the difference?”
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which examples? no-don’t equate me with Hillary. by terrorism I mean any relation to the Middle East terror groups - not domestic or homegrown.
 
meltzerboy said:
I would call the examples given homegrown or domestic terrorism rather than foreign terrorism. But as you (and Hillary) would say: “What’s the difference?”
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One difference we can be thankful for is that Islamic terrorists want to die. They will never be repeat offenders. A domestic terrorist like Tim McVeigh wanted to escape and carry on his war on government. Having a terrorist at large would disrupt our lives even more than groups who want to kill and die in the act.

We should also be thankful for the great police work in San Bernadino that was able to remove the threat within hours of the attack, before the terrorist couple could use the bombs and ammunition they had stockpiled.

If our administration could acknowledge the nature of the terrorist threat the world is facing, we might be better equipped to stop it.
 
7_Sorrows said:
which examples? no-don’t equate me with Hillary. by terrorism I mean any relation to the Middle East terror groups - not domestic or homegrown.
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The examples given by Sy Noe (post #70) are the Boston Marathon, Sandy Hook, and the South Carolina Mother Emmanuel Church shootings. Your comment was that Sy Noe does not want to call it terrorism, or were you referring only to the San Bernardino shooting? I responded that I would call all of these attacks terrorism and that Sy Noe’s examples are those of domestic terrorism.

I’m sorry to compare your remark to that of Hillary’s, knowing that you are not a supporter of hers (to say the least). However, I think you might agree, as you said, that it doesn’t really matter what we call these people: they are murderers regardless. And I have no qualms in calling some of them Muslim terrorists inspired and/or directed by terrorist organizations, but there are also homegrown terrorists who kill innocent people due to their own confused ideologies, as well as insane people and lone wolves who are mass murderers. We must confront them all, even though groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda are particularly dangerous to our survival because they have the financial and operational means to destroy.
 
meltzerboy said:
The examples given by Sy Noe (post #70) are the Boston Marathon, Sandy Hook, and the South Carolina Mother Emmanuel Church shootings. Your comment was that Sy Noe does not want to call it terrorism, or were you referring only to the San Bernardino shooting? I responded that I would call all of these attacks terrorism and that Sy Noe’s examples are those of domestic terrorism.

I’m sorry to compare your remark to that of Hillary’s, knowing that you are not a supporter of hers (to say the least). However, I think you might agree, as you said, that it doesn’t really matter what we call these people: they are murderers regardless. And I have no qualms in calling some of them Muslim terrorists inspired and/or directed by terrorist organizations, but there are also homegrown terrorists who kill innocent people due to their own confused ideologies, as well as insane people and lone wolves who are mass murderers. We must confront them all, even though groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda are particularly dangerous to our survival because they have the financial and operational means to destroy.
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yes; I meant was she reluctant to call what happened in San Bernadino terrorism.
I agree with the rest of your above post.
apology accepted. 🙂 I would never callously say “what difference does it make” when it comes to human life.
 
Trader said:
One difference we can be thankful for is that Islamic terrorists want to die. They will never be repeat offenders. A domestic terrorist like Tim McVeigh wanted to escape and carry on his war on government. Having a terrorist at large would disrupt our lives even more than groups who want to kill and die in the act.

We should also be thankful for the great police work in San Bernadino that was able to remove the threat within hours of the attack, before the terrorist couple could use the bombs and ammunition they had stockpiled.

If our administration could acknowledge the nature of the terrorist threat the world is facing, we might be better equipped to stop it.
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I agree the San Bernadino police did a great job as they also did in Paris. if we could only be so fast in tracking them down before they strike as after.
 
judicialwatch.org/blog/2015/12/middle-eastern-men-arrested-near-mexican-border-with-steel-cylinders/
Five young Middle Eastern men were apprehended by the U.S. Border Patrol this week in an Arizona town situated about 30 miles from the Mexican border, law enforcement and other sources told Judicial Watch.
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Border Patrol agents spotted the men crossing a ranch property in the vicinity of Amado, which is located about 35 miles south of Tucson and has a population of 275. Two of the Middle Eastern men were carrying stainless steel cylinders in backpacks, JW’s sources say, alarming Border Patrol officials enough to call the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for backup. A multitude of federal agents descended on the property and the two men carrying the cylinders were believed to be taken into custody by the FBI.
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Some of the responses I’m reading remind me somewhat of this current administration. An all out refusal or fear to utter the phrase “Islamic terrorists.” Whether there are direct ties to ISIS or not, does it really matter? As 7 Sorrows correctly stated, what difference does it make if they were part of a larger conspiracy or not? The fact is both Al-Qaeda and ISIS have called for lone wolf attacks against the U.S. and the West. Read for yourself here and here. It shouldn’t seem unreasonable to believe that there will be those, such as this couple in San Bernardino, who won’t hesitate to answer this call.

Peace, Mark
 
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