Federal judge enjoins separation of migrant children

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LeafByNiggle said:
When you use a word like “wanton” incorrectly to make a point that you cannot make with reason alone, it needs to be called out. I stand by my statement that border crossing all by itself is not so serious that it always warrants incarceration.
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It warrants detention because they don’t cross with their passport and bio-metric ID verification.
We have no idea who they really are, and whether they have a history we should treat as a public risk.
Grabbing the arm of a three yr old doesn’t make you safe.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
When you use a word like “wanton” incorrectly to make a point that you cannot make with reason alone, it needs to be called out. I stand by my statement that border crossing all by itself is not so serious that it always warrants incarceration.
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It warrants detention because they don’t cross with their passport and bio-metric ID verification.
We have no idea who they really are, and whether they have a history we should treat as a public risk.
Grabbing the arm of a three yr old doesn’t make you safe.
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So, you’re not talking about punishment then. You are talking about delays for verification. Earlier you were talking about crimes and the punishments they deserve.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
So, you’re not talking about punishment then. You are talking about delays for verification. Earlier you were talking about crimes and the punishments they deserve.
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No, I think you are misreading. If there is punishment, it would come after their court hearing

and my preference is for a quick deportation rather than prison, the exception being repeat deportees or those guilty of other crimes. People repeatedly crossing illegally need additional deterrence.
 
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Pup7 said:
his whole situation is being used as political fodder.
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Pup7 said:
This isn’t new - this has been happening for years and years and years. The whole thing is political fodder - and I’ll say it - for the left.
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Respectfully opinion only pondering on 🤔

Many of theses precious children have been taken out of the arms of their own Mothers >>>>>>>>>>>who still remain back home and some of theses innocent helpless children, as being reported also, were >>>>>>>willing given by their own Mothers, to complete strangers, traveling 1,000 if miles on foot, not shelter, food, some given birth control pills even, why?

That is why they are being separate from those who say they are their parents or mothers,>>> once they cross the border illegally>>>>>> for the protection of theses precious children, right?

Theses precious children>>> have been crying, living in fear, gone through great trauma>>>>> since they left their mothers in their natural home land>>>>why once they reach the border they separate the children for their own protection, care, give them safe shelter, food, physical aid, health care, etc?

Have to check, confirm, investigate>>>>>if those who say they are their parents>>>>>>>>> are truly their parents, correct?

This is not new either>>>>>>>>> this has been going all through out the last administration has it not? >>>>>Children being separated from their parents or non parents, put back on buses, then returned back to their own homeland, is this true?
In other news sources, videos stating such>>>> by last administration elected official even, themselves right, all out there, just google it?

Those photos of children in cages were from 2014?
Who is using theses precious children and could be putting theses children in far greater danger >> back into the arms of those who >>>>>>are not >>>>even their own parents?>> But are complete strangers,has this not being reported in other news sources, being reported? >>

What is this really about is it for political reasons, maybe?

Respectfully asking>>>>why did the last administration not do something about it>>> in the last 8 years>>>>having all 3 branches of government, being fully aware this was taking place?

Peace just pondering and do not misunderstand either >>>not taking sides>>> just seeking out truth having great compassion and concerns for theses precious children !. ❤️
 
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If we are unable to show mercy to these “illegal” immigrants, should we ever expect God to show us mercy and save us from the fires of hell? All of us are now living in exile, but most of us deny this fact. We are experiencing countless unperceived evils, which includes death and possible great suffering and hardship, that is just around the corner for everyone. God did not create us for this fallen world but made us to have incorruptible bodies and live in eternal joy where sickness and suffering do not exist. Is it really that big of a sacrifice to imitate Christ’s love and accept these immigrants into our society given what I have just said?
 
Right, our focus should be on our brethren just around the corner.
our citizen neighbors who need our help, many of which are even homeless

Perhaps you should but your effort into admonishing the Bishops in Central America.
 
Yes, we should show love and mercy to everyone who is in some form of need.
 
Ecclesiastes said:
Yes, we should show love and mercy to everyone who is in some form of need.
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People arrested for illegal entry are shown care and their needs are being meet,
They just aren’t automatically made citizens as you seem to wish.
One is not the other.
 
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Ecclesiastes said:
If we are unable to show mercy to these “illegal” immigrants
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They broke the law.

They did not enter legally.

Therefore, they are illegally here.

Putting it in cute quotes doesn’t change that fact, so no need to whitewash the truth.

They are illegal aliens by definition.
 
So, why not make it legal again like it was during the time of Ellis Island (problem solved)?
 
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Ecclesiastes said:
So, why not make it legal again like it was during the time of Ellis Island (problem solved)?
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What?

You can immigrate legally. I’m married to a legal immigrant, a lawful permanent resident/green card holder. (Funny, because the card isn’t green anymore. It’s white. LOL.)

Ellis Island was a processing center - a LEGAL reception point.

So I’m a bit confused as to what you’re talking about.
 
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Ecclesiastes:
So, why not make it legal again like it was during the time of Ellis Island (problem solved)?
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What?

You can immigrate legally. I’m married to a legal immigrant, a lawful permanent resident/green card holder. (Funny, because the card isn’t green anymore. It’s white. LOL.)

Ellis Island was a processing center - a LEGAL reception point.

So I’m a bit confused as to what you’re talking about.
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The was if we streamlined and reformed the legal means of entry there would be less incentive to immigrate illegally.
 
I love it when people put a 21st century filter on a 19th century issue. Amusing.

It’s far easier to immigrate here legally - STILL - than most of Europe or even Canada (which is why all the people who said they were running north when the POTUS was elected didn’t leave - you can’t just walk into Canada).
 
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Pup7:
Since when is reiterating what is clearly written in the Bible “whitewashing the truth?” Is this not a Catholic forum where Christan truths should always be considered?
 
Ecclesiastes said:
Since when is reiterating what is clearly written in the Bible “whitewashing the truth?” Is this not a Catholic forum where Christan truths should always be considered?
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What I said was putting the word “illegal” in quotes as though it’s not accurate is whitewashing the truth.

Nice try at twisting my words, though…
Pup7 said:
They broke the law.

They did not enter legally.

Therefore, they are illegally here.

Putting it in cute quotes doesn’t change that fact, so no need to whitewash the truth.
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LeafByNiggle said:
The was if we streamlined and reformed the legal means of entry there would be less incentive to immigrate illegally.
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Wont make a whit of difference.
The process takes a long time because we have quotas

Maybe an analogy will illustrate
  • The Packers have a 30yr wait to get season tickets, while the Vikings only have a 1 yr wait-list.
Your argument seems to be that the Packers ’ box office procedures are broken, but the Vikings box office is fantastic.

The truth is that demand far exceeds supply for one and not the other. No changes in the Packers’ back office will magically drop the wait time for the limited number of seats. The only way to solve it is to reduce demand.
 
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LeafByNiggle said:
That too is part of what needs to be reformed.
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It’s the central issue, not a minor part.
I assume you lean ‘open boarders’ and thus dominance from our immediate neighbor,
while I advocate for the current model that gives us a broad international distribution, much better for our diversity and for melding into our culture.
 
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