Feds say no end in sight for policy of 'dumping' illegal immigrants in Arizona, Gov. Brewer says

[Seamus_L]

I really believe the folks who are pro-illegal alien are going to get
there way on this one, and as the old saying goes “be careful what you ask
for, because you just might get it”, and what you’ll get is more gang
members, drug dealers, assorted criminals (just ask the people who’ve had
illegals cross there property near the border) higher taxes from school
districts where all the illegals need do is show up for school, more
difficulty paying those taxes as the blue collar sector is further wrecked, more hospitals and clinics closing because so many illegals refuse to pay for services, more people who believe in Reconquista (you’re pretty naive if you think it’s 0.1 pct) and a near guarantee that the increasingly socialist leaning Democratic party will totally dominate the government for years to come.

 

[maryjk]

First, because we don’t have an easy answer to the problem we choose the unChristian option? I assume that’s not what you’re suggesting. **To the practical question: why shouldn’t I accept an increased tax burden to shelter these children? ** Note that I’m fine with addressing border concerns to a point. But these children are already here. How can sending them back be a moral option?

Second, plenty of people claim that the economic burden of children justifies abortion. I assume, too, that you disagree with such a claim.

Finally, you’re right: we’re not just talking about one or two people. That doesn’t diminish the fact that each of these people has Christ within him or her.

Great. So, we increase taxes. A bunch. But that is okay. The government should be able to take care of anyone, and everyone.

But think about it. Those taxes aren’t due until 15 April 2015. Nine months away. So, until that time, the children can just sit tight. They can know we are trying to help.

Oh, and when the money comes in, we of course, can’t tend to them with or feed them money. We then need to take that money and hire people to care for the children. We need to buy food to feed them. Clothes. Shelter. All of that can be purchased next year, after the money comes it from the increased taxes.

See, when I say how. I really mean how. Not just some pie in the sky answer. Because being Christian doesn’t feed children. You need actual food. Actual clothes. Actual shelter. Oh, and actual adults to care for the children. And you can’t let just anyone care for the children. You have to make sure they are acting in the children’s best interest. There are plenty of people in the US that would love to get their hands on these children, and not for a good reason.

Which brings us to, is it unchristian to return them to their families? Did something suddenly happen that made them unsafe at home? Or is it that the families suddenly realized that they could dump their children in the US and that would somehow get them and their children to the front of the immigration line? The evidence found at the border leads me to believe that it is the later, not the former. And sending these children back home to their parents is the best, most Christian answer.

 

[maryjk]

Oh, and in addition to suddenly having housing and food for 60,000 people.

We now need doctors and nurses as well as medication for 60,000. How long do you think it will take to treat all of these children?

HHS released a statement neither confirming nor denying what the nurses are telling me: “When unaccompanied children come into the Department of Health and Human Services program, they are given a well-child exam and given all needed childhood vaccinations to protect against communicable diseases,” the statement read. “They are also screened for tuberculosis, and receive a mental health exam. If children are determined to have any communicable disease or have been exposed to a communicable disease, they are placed in a program or facility that has the capacity to quarantine.”

This is the same HHS that previously denied there were any cases of scabies. They make it sound as if there are very few health problems among the illegals. They even downplay the lice epidemic – just 119 “officially confirmed” cases.

“They are lying,” one nurse told me. “We treated that many kids with lice on a given day. We would put 20 kids in front of us – 10 in each row. You could see the bugs crawling through their hair.”

Another former staff member told me it was like working in a giant emergency room.

“They had children in the infirmary that had been there several days,” the former staffer told me. “You were on your feet nonstop. They had chicken pox, measles, and there was a concern strep was spreading.”

 

[Holly3278]

This is such an incredibly sad situation. We don’t have many options though for what we can do with them. I mean, what are we to do? The only thing I can think of is possibly orphanages and adoption. Someone else said there are not enough foster parents for American children so I don’t think that’s going to help much.

Honestly, if we didn’t have such a bad culture of death here in America, this might not be such a big problem. If more families were more willing to adopt children or at least foster them then perhaps this wouldn’t be such a big deal. That’s not to mention that if American couples were having more children then there would be more parents available to adopt or foster children.

Regardless, I don’t think we should send them home. The situation in their home lands is absolutely horrible. Of course if their parents want them back then they should definitely be sent back to their parents because we have no right to deprive the children of their mother and father without a serious reason such as if the parents were abusive or neglecting them.

 

[gracepoole]

I’m glad you hit upon something that we can agree about (see my first post, about misguided zeal /misdirected anger of some conservatives). Honestly, I think it would have been a shame if this conversation ended without us ever agreeing on anything.

Let’s pray for both sides be more sensible.

*Totally *agreed. Many prayers needed on this one.

 

[gracepoole]

Great. So, we increase taxes. A bunch. But that is okay. The government should be able to take care of anyone, and everyone.

But think about it. Those taxes aren’t due until 15 April 2015. Nine months away. So, until that time, the children can just sit tight. They can know we are trying to help.

Oh, and when the money comes in, we of course, can’t tend to them with or feed them money. We then need to take that money and hire people to care for the children. We need to buy food to feed them. Clothes. Shelter. All of that can be purchased next year, after the money comes it from the increased taxes.

See, when I say how. I really mean how. Not just some pie in the sky answer. Because being Christian doesn’t feed children. You need actual food. Actual clothes. Actual shelter. Oh, and actual adults to care for the children. And you can’t let just anyone care for the children. You have to make sure they are acting in the children’s best interest. There are plenty of people in the US that would love to get their hands on these children, and not for a good reason.

Which brings us to, is it unchristian to return them to their families? Did something suddenly happen that made them unsafe at home? Or is it that the families suddenly realized that they could dump their children in the US and that would somehow get them and their children to the front of the immigration line? The evidence found at the border leads me to believe that it is the later, not the former. And sending these children back home to their parents is the best, most Christian answer.

I hear what you’re saying, really. As I said earlier, just because we don’t have a ready-made answer doesn’t mean an unChristian approach is acceptable here. I do find it amazing that in times of great difficulty, Christians have an incredible ability to pull together and provide humanitarian relief. Hurricane Katrina affected millions of people and Christians were often the first to respond. Churches and Christian organizations could do much here. Or hey, spark the economy by actually paying people to figure out how to manage these children – there are plenty of folks with expertise in this area and the investment would be well worth it (and I’d still be happy to foot the bill come April 2015). My point here is simply that nothing’s been attempted yet and people are already willing to claim that there’s nothing that can be done. Something about that doesn’t seem kosher, so to speak.

As for what life is like in the countries these kids come from, there’s significant evidence that the situation is dire. The effects of the drug trade throughout Central America have led to extreme poverty (living on less than $1.50 per day), gang violence on a scale with which we’re not familiar… I know it’s popular to assume that these parents were trying to scam the system but I think it’s wise to take a charitable approach. There’s certainly enough evidence from these countries that speaks to real concerns that any one of us would have for our children. That they were actually willing to part with their kids says something – something similar to what I myself might be willing to do for my kids if I were in a similar situation.

 

[Jeanne_S]

I hear what you’re saying, really. As I said earlier, just because we don’t have a ready-made answer doesn’t mean an unChristian approach is acceptable here. I do find it amazing that in times of great difficulty, Christians have an incredible ability to pull together and provide humanitarian relief. Hurricane Katrina affected millions of people and Christians were often the first to respond. Churches and Christian organizations could do much here. Or hey, spark the economy by actually paying people to figure out how to manage these children – there are plenty of folks with expertise in this area and the investment would be well worth it (and I’d still be happy to foot the bill come April 2015). My point here is simply that nothing’s been attempted yet and people are already willing to claim that there’s nothing that can be done. Something about that doesn’t seem kosher, so to speak.

As for what life is like in the countries these kids come from, there’s significant evidence that the situation is dire. The effects of the drug trade throughout Central America have led to extreme poverty (living on less than $1.50 per day), gang violence on a scale with which we’re not familiar… I know it’s popular to assume that these parents were trying to scam the system but I think it’s wise to take a charitable approach. There’s certainly enough evidence from these countries that speaks to real concerns that any one of us would have for our children. That they were actually willing to part with their kids says something – something similar to what I myself might be willing to do for my kids if I were in a similar situation.

All this aside,what do we do re the communicable diseases,that these children bring along?
California is experiencing a resurgence of tuberculosis,pertussis.What about our own children and for that manner anyone who hasn’t had a booster shot against these diseases,additionally,the economic fallout from dealing with health epidemics.There is a reason for insisting on LEGAL entry to our country,wether it be permanent status,or a temporary work visa.

 

[MadetoLove]

There are currently over 14, 000 American children in Arizona’s foster care system. We can hardly take care of the children we already have.This situation is an absolute tragedy.

(source: azdes.gov/Arizona_Serves.aspx?menu=332&id=5950)

 

[maryjk]

This is such an incredibly sad situation. We don’t have many options though for what we can do with them. I mean, what are we to do? The only thing I can think of is possibly orphanages and adoption. Someone else said there are not enough foster parents for American children so I don’t think that’s going to help much.

Honestly, if we didn’t have such a bad culture of death here in America, this might not be such a big problem. If more families were more willing to adopt children or at least foster them then perhaps this wouldn’t be such a big deal. That’s not to mention that if American couples were having more children then there would be more parents available to adopt or foster children.

Regardless, I don’t think we should send them home. The situation in their home lands is absolutely horrible. Of course if their parents want them back then they should definitely be sent back to their parents because we have no right to deprive the children of their mother and father without a serious reason such as if the parents were abusive or neglecting them.

But again, HOW do we do this? There aren’t procedures set up to have families adopt 60,000 children. Sick children at that. The children need to be treated. Then families need to be interviewed, have a background check, and everything else you do for adoption. How long do you think that takes? Even if we could find 60,000 families to adopt sick children.

And is that what the parents of these children really want? Did their families send them here for adoption? Or was it a way to get them into the country and when they are made citizens, they can bring Mom and Dad here too?

 

[Peter_J]

Hi Holly. I think your post (like one I responded to earlier) needs a little clarification: does your concern apply to those who stayed in Mexico, Nicuragua, etc as well as to those who came to the border? Or to look at it another way, does a differ set of rules apply to those who made the trip?

 

[Path_Finder]

Can you imagine, it appears a mass grave of illegal immigrants has been found in South Texas.

** Mass graves with bodies of unidentified immigrants discovered in south Texas cemetery **

foxnews.com/us/2014/06/24/mass-graves-with-bodies-unidentified-immigrants-discovered-in-south-texas/

This is what happens when this illegal immigration is not halted.

This is why it is questionable as to whether the side arguing we need to do the moral thing are correct because then, more of these exoduses happen and more hardships.

 

[anthony022071]

Court Tells Arizona to Give Drivers’ Licenses to ‘Dreamer’ Immigrants

news.yahoo.com/court-tells-arizona-drivers-licenses-dreamer-immigrants-161611346.html

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

This is what happens when this illegal immigration is not halted. This is why it is questionable as to whether the side arguing we need to do the moral thing are correct because then, more of these exoduses happen and more hardships.

Illegal immigration cannot and will not be stopped. Doing the moral thing in no way leads to or excuses stuffing the bodies of people who died searching for a better life into shopping bags or garbage bags and casually tossing them into unmarked mass graves. Someone needs to be prosecuted for this.