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Either we follow them blindly and turned into slaves or we ignore them and face a senseless life.
 
STT said:
Either we follow them blindly and turned into slaves or we ignore them and face a senseless life.
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In the presence of their proper objects, the passions move us to do good and in se are good. The appetites that appeal to our five senses, therefore, lead us to live quite “sensible” lives.

We must only ignore the passions which arise in the presence of an improper object. In the presence of one’s spouse, sexual arousal is good. In the presence of anyone else, sexual arousal is not good.
 
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In the presence of their proper objects, the passions move us to do good and in se are good. The appetites that appeal to our five senses, therefore, lead us to live quite “sensible” lives.
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That is rationality which leads us to do good, not feeling.
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We must only ignore the passions which arise in the presence of an improper object. In the presence of one’s spouse, sexual arousal is good. In the presence of anyone else, sexual arousal is not good.
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Family could be pleasant or a disaster. It is quite natural to develop sexual feeling outside of marriage. Spouse in some cases lose sexual interest toward each other.
 
STT said:
That is rationality which leads us to do good, not feeling.
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Read Catholic articles on the topic of mortification. The impulse of the passions can be ordered to the intellect but only with practice.
STT said:
Family could be pleasant or a disaster. It is quite natural to develop sexual feeling outside of marriage. Spouse in some cases lose sexual interest toward each other.
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Catholics believe that the disordered passions are not natural but result from Original Sin.
 
o_mlly said:
Read Catholic articles on the topic of mortification. The impulse of the passions can be ordered to the intellect but only with practice.
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So you can control feelings! That is quite senseless.
o_mlly said:
Catholics believe that the disordered passions are not natural but result from Original Sin.
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There is nothing such as Original Sin. We just evolved. There was no Adam and Eve.
 
STT said:
So you can control feelings! That is quite senseless.

There is nothing such as Original Sin. We just evolved. There was no Adam and Eve.
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Why not change from “seeking the truth” to “made up my mind already”.
 
STT said:
Either we follow them blindly and turned into slaves or we ignore them and face a senseless life.
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It seems a bit artificial to think that those are the only two possibilities. Real life is more nuanced, and more hopeful.
 
STT said:
Could be. I have no argument in favor or against that. Do you have any argument?
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If God directed it, then mutations are not random so what we observe is Design and not materialist evolution.
 
STT said:
Either we follow them blindly and turned into slaves or we ignore them and face a senseless life.
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We have the freedom to become the masters of our passions which tends towards an ordered, meaningful life, or to reject that, which tends towards anarchy.
 
STT said:
So you can control feelings! That is quite senseless.
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Oddly enough, that may be true. To have custody of one’s own eyes denies them the sense of sight in an inappropriate manner.

But if you mean that one can never gain over control their passions, for instance anger, then you are quite mistaken.
 
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We have the freedom to become the masters of our passions, or to reject that which tends towards their anarchy.
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That is true. Therefore life becomes senseless, pure rational, no room for feeling to guide us.
 
STT said:
What is the third possibility?
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Third? What makes you think there are only three? I think the truth is more varied. It’s not two or three or four. It’s a continuum.

It’s also more complicated. Feelings are not separate from reason. It’s all tangled together in one integrated system called a human being.
 
STT said:
Either we follow them blindly and turned into slaves or we ignore them and face a senseless life.
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Those are some rather polarized options. How about “we consider and are influenced by our feelings among other considerations and options.”

Reminds me, there is a book titled “Descartes Error” about the role that emotions play in rational thought.
 
STT said:
That is true. Therefore life becomes senseless, pure rational, no room for feeling to guide us.
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Not pure rational, but balanced between the two. Humans beings are not infinitely unlimited in their capacities as God is. We are a balance between extremes, while having the capacity, due to free will, to mess up the balance, to not recognize our limitations, to aim for or be influenced by extremes. As we allow ourselves to freely come back into balance, generally requiring a process of recognition, conviction, maturation/change, we begin to increasingly enjoy that state of balanced ordered that God created us to have.

The Church teaches that chaos began to reign after man’s first sin of disobedience, where he broke communion with God. Man was in one way or another separated or divided from God, from his neighbor, from himself, and from the creation surrounding him.
 
STT said:
Could be. I have no argument in favor or against that. Do you have any argument?
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Argument in favor: That simple laws of nature could lead to beautiful order at many levels, from galaxies and stars that gathered from unimaginably thin gas, to stars that started with just hydrogen and produced and then dispersed all the known elements, to hospitable planets in stable orbits around stable stars, to life that harnesses energy from light and increases in complexity, to ecosystems, to communication, cooperation, law, and love. How great God is, who designed a universe in which such order and beauty arose from such simple origins.
 
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