Reason and feelings have ontological separate existences.
You cannot initiate doubt if the situation doesn’t seems self-contradictory to you. Why we should look for complete fulfillment, becoming God, at the same time be prohibited to gain it?
You are just regarding one sort of feeling, desire to know the truth.
Love cannot originate from God if God and Love are same.
I didn’t say that the brain is love. I said that brain creates love.
I didn’t say so.
I am afraid that this is apologist sub-forum.
I don’t think so. Where do you take that idea from our conversation? The problem is the existence of feelings. We would be their slave if we follow them and life is senseless without them.
Yes.
We wouldn’t need to be here if we are supposed to have our education at the same time need a savior. We can know the truth separately, inform each other, and grow.
What do you mean?
Either we follow them blindly and turned into slaves or we ignore them and face a senseless life.
Life is senseless if we control our feelings either. Anger and love are both real and necessary. You preferably love your family but hate your enemy. In this sense you are slave of your feeling. Life in another hand doesn’t make any sense without love toward to your relatives and friends.
And water cannot originate from a well - unless water and well are the same ?
Isn’t God Love?
But of course we’re here for a reason; God isn’t whimsical. The reason we’re here is to gain the wisdom to accept the savior, to accept the offer of grace when it comes…It’s always been a matter of the will, from Adam’s sin on.This is why, for example, some of the most powerful conversions are experienced by the worst sinners-they’ve known the other side, and finally reject it.
Wouldn’t really matter. The point is that they need not conflict.
They didn’t become God-that was a lie. If anything, yes, they came to know of the reality of evil, and by contrast good, something God would certainly know but not a knowledge of any value in *itself-*unless it ultimately helps lead to the *rejection *of evil and the embracing of good. The truth was that, had they not eaten of the fruit, they would never have gained the knowledge of good and evil and they would’ve been divinized anyway-that was God’s plan for them.
To desire to know the truth is a good thing. So here’s the truth: Feelings and reason are good things, faculties that God created us to have, for our good. They were made to work in harmony, to compliment each other. Due to our fallen state things don’t always work that way because we’re not always balanced in our desires, we’re not always true to ourselves and God because we can be influenced by many external factors or attractions, just as Adam & Eve were. So it’s easy to think there may be a conflict when there never was one originally.
I’m not sure about how much contr9l we have over our feelings. We can control our outward expressions to some degree, such as holding back tears (it could be argued that other feelings motivate this apparent control). Bit people have often wished not to feel a certain way during some situations but have to live through the feelings. It does provide an incentive to apply caution to some situations to avoid those feelings again. Bit that can also lead to a person being risk adverse to the point of often missing out on positive opportunities.
You appear to be placing yourself in a box. The most balanced people are those who are able to recognize* a wide range of feelings in themselves. I would posit that people who who fail to understand their feelings and their causes are the ones who are slaves as they are are likely to act out instead of taking more appropriate actions.
We don’t need savior if we become wise. We achieve the current situation under suffering. We don’t need grace. Grace for what?
There was no Adam. We just evolved.
I see. So people know about this. Thanks for the reference.
It really matters.
That is correct.
How we could call them sinner if they didn’t have knowledge of good and bad before eating the fruit? Where the lie comes from (you cannot get ride evil problem)?
Most of this has to do with the fact that we are not evolved well enough. We are still in tribe mentality, we fight with each other.
So life becomes senseless. Yes, today I need to feel happier. How meaningless happiness is when you know that you can control it?
That is the problem. There is a cause for feeling. Can we even control it by practice? Yes. This senseless.