Feminism is infiltrating every aspect of society

[JSmitty2005]

I recently ran across the following pictures. The first I found on aimtoday.com on Feb. 27, 2006 and the second was in a magazine (Cosmogirl ) that was sent to my 15 year old sister. Do you think that this is disgusting or is it just me?

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[Kendy]

Well, I am okay with it, but I guess some people would describe as a ultra feminist .

As for the “girl crushes,” I have never heard the term, but “man crush” is commonly used to describe a man’s strong love and admiration for another man in a nonromantic way. I think mostly that that is what they are doing here.

The reference to a romantic crush has more to do with society increasingly embracing attitude towards gays and lesbians. As someone who considers my personal feminism as having to do with defending women’s rights, I don’t know what this has to do with lesbianism.

Kendy

 

[JSmitty2005]

Kendy:

As someone who considers my personal feminism as having to do with defending women’s rights

What “rights” do women not have in today’s society that you feel the need to defend?

 

[Kendy]

JSmitty2005:

What “rights” do women not have in today’s society that you feel the need to defend?

Well, there are certainly fewer rights to be fought for in the West, but there are certainly abuses of women’s rights around the world that I don’t think should ignored.

As for rights in America, I think there are enough legal protection, but there’s room for discourse when it comes to attitude. Women who work outside the home still do a disproportionate about of the housework because their husbands won’t, I think there needs to be a change in attitude there.

Women in authority have to walk this fine line between not coming off as Bch and not being soft. For example, Martha Stewart is a Bch, but no one ever comments on the fact that Donald Trump is an A**hole.

And then there are certainly many evangelicals and occasionally catholics who thinks the ONLY thing a woman can be is a homeschooling SAHM, and take their male headship stuff to the extreme. I heard this sermon once called, “Let the lead dog lead.” Essentially, you need to ask your husband’s permission to do anything. If he doesn’t want you to go to Wednesday night bible study, then that’s his call. I certainly think those attitudes should be resisted.

Kendy

 

[JimG]

Kendy:

For example, Martha Stewart is a (profanity), but no one ever comments on the fact that Donald Trump is an (profanity).

I thought that was taken for granted.

 

[JSmitty2005]

Kendy:

And then there are certainly many evangelicals and occasionally catholics who thinks the ONLY thing a woman can be is a homeschooling SAHM

I guess I’m one of them. I do not think that women should work but should be mothers and housewives. HOWEVER, in America, some families are forced to have both parents work. In that case, I agree with the feminists that if a woman has the same job and can do it as well as a man that it is unjust for her to get a lower wage. But I don’t think that that is something that requires angry screaming lesbian bra-burning ceremonies to solve.

 

[Kendy]

JimG:

I thought that was taken for granted.

You thought Donald Trump being Ahole is taken for granted? Not that I can tell. And the same could said for a lot of women. I had to make one liberal male friend apologize for calling Condi Rice a bch. We talked about and he admitted that he would not call Donald Rumsfeld anything analogous. And of course, there are all the attacks on Hillary Clinton. I happen to disagree with her; I would not vote for her. But I see no justification why she has to have a broom stick? Surely, there are male politicians with equally liberal values.

When I worked in retail, I noticed the same thing. All the female district managers were deemed “b**chy.” But of course, if she cried or showed any kind of vulnerability than she was too soft for the job. I remember having a couple conversations with my immediate supervisor about this. She wanted to climb the cooperate ladder and often talked about how it was difficult to know how to behave. She went through this period when she was actually a real pain, but she confessed later that that was because she wasn’t sure what was expected of her. Being a petite woman, it’s sometimes hard to get people to take her authority seriously.

Kendy

 

[Kendy]

JSmitty2005:

I guess I’m one of them. I do not think that women should work but should be mothers and housewives. HOWEVER, in America, some families are forced to have both parents work. In that case, I agree with the feminists that if a woman has the same job and can do it as well as a man that it is unjust for her to get a lower wage. But I don’t think that that is something that requires angry screaming lesbian bra-burning ceremonies to solve.

Oh, but bra burning is a crucial part of our goddess worship ceremonies. We could not do without that. :nope:

Well, JSmitty, as long as you are out there insisting that women should be mothers and housewives, I have no choice, but to be out there making sure women know that they have choices. I want my daughter to know that if she has a passion for the law, or an interest in physics, she should go for it. Thanks for reminding that there is still work to be done. I appreciate it .

Kendy

 

[JSmitty2005]

Kendy:

Thanks for reminding that there is still work to be done. I appreciate it

Right back at ya!

 

[coyote]

The top example I don’t get at all.

The bottom example; “girl crush”, is not of my generation. I am not inclined to have “crushes” on other women and never have.

Still, these examples do not rise to the level of “ultra” feminism. BTW, there was sound justification and noble motivation for the Feminist movement. I don’t think enlightened people would deny that.

JSmitty, just so all the cards are on the table here, are you male or female?

 

[bones_IV]

Radical feminism is a sin of the worst sort. I don’t understand why some folks have such bitter feelings about SAHM’s. Why is it that when JSMITTY is saying that women should be SAHM’s that people act as though their dignity is under attack.

 

[bones_IV]

JSmitty2005:

I recently ran across the following pictures. The first I found on aimtoday.com on Feb. 27, 2006 and the second was in a magazine (Cosmogirl ) that was sent to my 15 year old sister. Do you think that this is disgusting or is it just me?

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I think JSmitty has pretty good point here.

 

[Al_Masetti]

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IMHO, a lot of what “passes” for feminism is really just another manifestation of radical Communism similar to the leftism that infects the political process.

The radicalism has several manifestations: student radical leftist behavior, for example.

It is difficult for me to sympathize with a lot of the rhetoric: my grandmothers worked outside the home in both their own businesses and for large companies. At the small business level, they were subject to the same pressures as everyone else. The simple fact is that an enormous amount of hard work is required (100 hours a week forever) and success is never assured.

 

[coyote]

Because that is not what I want for myself.

Because you are expecting me to accept sever limitation being placed on my potential. As a woman I am more than a vagina, uterus, breasts and a domestic worker.

I have God given talents, apptitudes, passions and potential. Why would anyone consider it reasonable that women accept sacrificing that and make no other contribution to the society they live in than to be brood mares?

Statements like

Radical feminism is a sin of the worst sort. I don’t understand why some folks have such bitter feelings about SAHM’s. Why is it that when JSMITTY is saying that women should be SAHM’s that people act as though their dignity is under attack.

are why some women “scream in anger”.

 

[Contarini]

Kendy:

You thought Donald Trump being A**hole is taken for granted? Not that I can tell.

I would have thought that it was. I certainly have far more negative impressions of Trump than of Stewart (I don’t particularly admire either of them, but I positively loathe everything I know about Trump). I have always assumed that this was true of other people’s attitudes as well. On the whole, thinking about conversations I’ve had, I think I’ve heard more criticisms of Trump than of Stewart. But that might just be my assumption given my own attitudes. I’ve never really thought about it!

I’m not denying your general point, by the way.

Edwin

 

[Contarini]

JSmitty2005:

But I don’t think that that is something that requires angry screaming lesbian bra-burning ceremonies to solve.

I have spent more than ten years in the heart of one of the more feminist sectors of our society (academia). One of my professors in grad school had abandoned Christianity because she’d decided she couldn’t be both a feminist and a Christian (at least that’s how it was described to me).

Yet I have never seen an “angry screaming lesbian bra-burning ceremony.”

I think I would have seen such a thing on the quad in front of Duke Chapel if it was at all common.

This kind of rhetoric doesn’t further discussion at all. Deal in caricatures and you reduce your own view to a caricature.

Edwin

 

[Kendy]

bones_IV:

Radical feminism is a sin of the worst sort. I don’t understand why some folks have such bitter feelings about SAHM’s. Why is it that when JSMITTY is saying that women should be SAHM’s that people act as though their dignity is under attack.

I don’t have bitter feelings against SAHM’s. I just don’t believe that every woman should be pressured into being one. If that’s the choice that she makes, then I have no quarrels.

Kendy

 

[Kendy]

On second thought, I do think the original post makes a valid point. Feminism has infiltrated every aspect of society— both positive and negative components of it.

Certainly, we have abortion on demand and loose sexual morals. And people don’t even think about some of these issues. When I was a college student, very few people even considered the thought of saving themselves for marriage.

On the other hand, my life is radical different than my grandmother’s in ways that I am very grateful for. It never occured to me when I growing up that I shouldn’t have a career. My parents encouraged my professional development throughout my life. And while I hear people talk about this obedience to your husband thing, I have never actually seen it in action. Nobody I know lives like that.

I remember getting very angry in a bible study about husbands having authority over their wives, and later when I asked a friend about she said, she just doesn’t think about. It’s not even a part of her reality.

Nobody discourages girls from playing sports, or studying chemistry, or denying women the right to vote (or there are no lunatics who think women should not vote, but they are not a serious political problem). So, I guess feminism has won.

Kendy

 

[bones_IV]

coyote:

Because that is not what I want for myself.

Because you are expecting me to accept sever limitation being placed on my potential. As a woman I am more than a vagina, uterus, breasts and a domestic worker.

I have God given talents, apptitudes, passions and potential. Why would anyone consider it reasonable that women accept sacrificing that and make no other contribution to the society they live in than to be brood mares?

Statements like are why some women “scream in anger”.

I didn’t say that all women should be SAHM’s. There was nothing wrong with I said in that statement. What is so bad about saying the Radical Feminism is a sin of the worst sort? I don’t get what you said, you lost me on that one.

 

[JSmitty2005]

Kendy:

I remember getting very angry in a bible study about husbands having authority over their wives, and later when I asked a friend about she said, she just doesn’t think about. It’s not even a part of her reality.

Who are you to stand against God’s Word? Men are the head of the household. That’s simply the way it is whether you like it or not. What do you mean by “it’s not even part of her reality”? Did she conconct some sort of fantasy world or what?