Feminism is infiltrating every aspect of society

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Dubervilles:
Kendy-

I saw your post mentioning Kate Chopin’s Awakening. I love that book…it changed my life and moved me in ways I didn’t think possible. I would also recommend Thomas Hardy’s Tess of the D’ubervilles (if you haven’t read it already–and it is where I get my name on here from obviously).

JSmitty- Did you read the article that I posted after you posted yours? Just curious as to you thoughts on it.
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No, I have not read it. I will add to my long reading list:).

Kendy
 
john ennis:
There would be people lined up to take care of, and love, that baby. That baby…as innocent of the rape as her mother is. They’d be lined up, and I’d be one of them.

Peace.
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Well, actually the line is not that long. There are plenty of kids lingering in foster care, especially minority kids. Not saying that abortion is okay. Just saying that Christians would do much in making their case against abortion by adopting more children, especially black ones who are most likely to get aborted.

Kendy
 
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Kendy:
No, I have not read it. I will add to my long reading list:).
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Why don’t you add Kate O’Beirn’s Women Who Make the World Worse and Alive von Hildebrand’s The Privilege of Being a Woman? 👍
 
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Kendy:
Well, actually the line is not that long. There are plenty of kids lingering in foster care, especially minority kids. Not saying that abortion is okay. Just saying that Christians would do much in making their case against abortion by adopting more children, especially black ones who are most likely to get aborted.

Kendy
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I’ve long heard that the demand for adopting kids far exceeds the number of kids available.
I don’t have hard data, so I’ll look into it more.

Peace.
 
john ennis:
I’ve long heard that the demand for adopting kids far exceeds the number of kids available.
I don’t have hard data, so I’ll look into it more.

Peace.
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Well, the demand for healthy, newborn, white babies far exceeds the supply.

Kendy
 
I would doubt very highly that one’s husband dumping them at middle age or older after the woman has been a SAHM has only happened ONCE–seriously. I would infact think it has happened many times to many unsuspecting faithful women. One can never depend 100% on another person…

What about in the case that her husband suddenly had a heart attack and left them behind with a mountain of debt and bills? Then what? You can’t depend on the community or family to bail you out unfortunately…

Sadly these things happen every day and women need to be prepared for it.
 
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JSmitty2005:
. I’m personally not very close with my mother either, but that’s not a problem. She was my mother, not my friend. That’s the way it’s supposed to be.
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Actually Smitty, that is a problem. Being “close” is not the same thing as being a friend. It makes perfect sense to be close to someone who was responsible for bringing you into the world and taking care of you. People who have a close and secure attachment to their mothers (and fathers) are by and large much more healthy and well adjusted in life.
Sometimes this sense of security even obviates their need to act like snotty know-it-alls on message boards. Didn’t work in my case.
Anyways, not cultivating a close emotional bond is a serious failure in parenting.

BtW smitty, was your mom a SAHM?
 
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Gerrygarvin:
Actually Smitty, that is a problem. Being “close” is not the same thing as being a friend. It makes perfect sense to be close to someone who was responsible for bringing you into the world and taking care of you. People who have a close and secure attachment to their mothers (and fathers) are by and large much more healthy and well adjusted in life.
Sometimes this sense of security even obviates their need to act like snotty know-it-alls on message boards. Didn’t work in my case.
Anyways, not cultivating a close emotional bond is a serious failure in parenting.

BtW smitty, was your mom a SAHM?
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By the way that you defined “closeness” then I *would * say that I am close to my mother. And, yes, she was a SAHM.
 
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JSmitty2005:
By the way that you defined “closeness” then I *would * say that I am close to my mother. And, yes, she was a SAHM.
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Well, that’s good to hear, and I’m sure will be a blessing for you in years to come as well.

However, as to this whole discussion, I looked back, and I’m a little confused as to what your original point was, and what exactly was being argued. From the beginning you seemed to advocate that woman should stay at home, unless they are forced to by economic neccessity.

What measurable criteria of womanhood/motherhood are you posing as the ideal?

Can you concretely define in a few testable statements what these ideals entail.

for example:

A woman should be a fitting helpmeet…would not be a testable criteria, because “fitting” and “helpmeet” are undefined and the first can only be defined subjectively.

On the other hand:

a woman should commit as few grave sins as possible as defined by the catechism…would be a more testable criteria provided that some study had actually been conducted to measure # of sins (although the definition problem would still plague us here because of our inability to measure interior conditions such as knowledge of right and wrong.)

Similarly, an untestable ideal motherhood criteria might be:

a good mother is loving

a testable one would be:

*a good mother will be one who’s kids attend church as adults (defined as past age 18).

So, lay it on us. What testable criteria for womanhood and mother hood are referring to when you say that woman “should” be a certain way. What objective studies are you refering to that support your arguements? What is the social science outcome you are drawing from. Do you have on hand a comprehensive study linking stay at home motherhood with low truancy for example?

*hint, philosophical essays are not the same as scientifically tested studies.
 
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