Feminisms effect on women

[mom4truth]

Amen, Ed!

 

[leftistdestroye]

Calliso;3612802]

It’s not that we donlt…its just that we donlt focus on it solely like many antifeminists do. And we in general tend to think the good outweighs the bad.

Well I’m sorry that us anti feminist care so much about what is happening to our society, not just one group in it. And that good that you speak of, applies only to women, so I am not suprised that you are focusing on it. It’s like supporting Communism because it offers free healthcare. NOTE: I am not comparing the two nesseccarily, just pointing out how there is more than just one to think about.

 

[Carolinagirl411]

Lefistdestroye

PS: I just re read my post and realized i said some uncharitable things myself and I do apologize for those things. I was just so unbelievably FRUSTRATED. The rest stands.

 

[Naztakuan]

Carolinagirl411;3612396

LOL I love your arrogance. We all may live to see the day when men have their backs against the wall in this nation. And if that day comes, your arrogance will be the first thing that get’s you in some serious trouble. There was very good reason why men used to be dominant. And it could very well happen again, so soak it up.

What you mean like in that movie Fight Club? I love that movie. But it’s my understanding that the men felt emasculated by their jobs and corporate culture not by women. Their male bosses made them feel like pieces of ****. It had nothing to do with women. Corporate culture makes a person into a cog in a machine and they center their world around obtaining a cash flow to buy things they don’t need to fill the emptiness brought on by modern consumerism. If you feel emasculated, take up a hobbie like those guys did.

 

[leftistdestroye]

Naztakuan;3612810]

It implies that was a punishment not an ideal. Otherwise God would have said something before they had sinned.

Then why weren’t the punishments equal? “Rule over thee” is the price to be paid for what the woman did.

And yeah they do cheat, belittle and abuse.

I said that God did not order that to be done to women. And with or without feminism, all that still happens. Both sides do it. Feminism was gunna “liberate” women from that, but it didn’t. All it did was to help ruin society.

You make it sound like you begrudge your girlfriend because she makes more than you do.Just break up with her then if women like that bother you.

No, that’s how you took it. I told you that to show, with all that I have said, still fell in love with a woman like that. And just wait until she get’s here! You think I am tough? LOL The thing is, is that she wants what I want. And yes, she has benefitted from feminism, although I will start a war with her if she sees that! LOL But that’s ok because I am the man and I will win.

Why don’t we just agree that no one likes a whore. That’s all you’re trying to say. And that’s fine but you can’t get mad at a woman for working hard and earning her way. There is no sin in that

But feminism has created a buch of whores in this society. Boy, it really did “liberate” women, didn’t it? That’s one of my points.

 

[Et_Cetera]

I think leftisdestroye needs a time out; his rudeness is not needed.

 

[leftistdestroye]

Naztakuan;3612896]

She makes like no money. She’s a moron.

So she is a POS. Nice. I knew two girls who went to college like that. Dumb as a box of rocks, but nice girls.

There is nothing wrong with being a stay at home mom if that is what you want.

But that isn’t really considered by society today, is it?

Young women should be focusing on their jobs and education. When they are a little more mature, then they can get married.

Like, say, 37…40? Yeah, many are trying to get that now, but can’t find a man willing to at that age anymore. Feminism and society told them that they don’t have to today.

Marriage is for mature adults.

Only since the 60’s. Prior to that, we married younger.

It’s the same reason you start at the bottom of your career and steadily move upward. Oftentimes people get married too young and they don’t know anything about the world or themselves.

And they learned how to deal with it. Today, we just divorce.

Then they have children and they’re fighting all the time about stuff and that’s why they get divorced. My grandmother got her college education, became a teacher and she married at around 24/25 to another teacher. Sometimes they disagreed about things like education. Her husband didn’t believe that the children deserved a private catholic education so he refused to pay. So my grandmother worked some extra jobs to pay for her children’s schooling. She was too old to take the title feminist(born in the 20s) but that’s exactly what she was. Women did what needed to be done including working extra to give your kids the same education as the white kids. **Sometimes you gotta do what needs to be done and waiting for a man to do it for you is a pointless endevor. **You can sit on your butt and wait and wait until you die. I’m not going to wait a million years for some guy to sweep me off my feet. I have dreams and a life to live.

Well, I can relate to the part in bold. I tried and tried to get married and start a family when I was younger.(I am a man, if you didn’t notice) but the women wanted nothing to do with it. Hell, on of them already had 4 of her own kids. They just didn’t want it. They all wanted just sex, drugs, and ro…rap. Now that I am older, what? Because their biological clock is ticking, now I am supposed be on hand??? I was let down then and they are let down now. I hope all that ME, ME, ME attitude was worth it for them. Especially as they are walking into a sperm bank to buy some kids. If I were you, I’d get your adoption papers filled out soon.

And if you are gunna hold out for the perfect man, then you WILL wait a long time. Especially today. So yeah, go live your life, but you better not blame men when the time comes when you do want a baby. You can only blame yourself.

 

[SeekingCatholic]

Well then women can hold contempt for CERTAIN groups of men. My fiance is the most wonderful man I have ever met, but there are men out there that completely disgust me by being ignorant, sexist pigs. THOSE are the men that I hold contempt for. Not all men are like that and I have been extremely fortunate to know a lot who aren’t and unfortunate to know some who are.

Contempt based on behavior or attitudes, yes; anatomy no.

Obviously you have never been divorced or know much about the laws. For example the court will assign alimony to the person making the most money if they initiate the divorce.

No it’s you who need to look up the laws. The court will assign alimony even if he or she DIDN’T initiate the divorce under “no-fault” divorce laws.

In my parents instance my dad was making well over $100,000 and my mom making $30,000 as a teacher. He cheated left right and sideways and initiated the divorce. Of course I think he should pay alimony!!!

Aha, so there is a case where you think it OK for a woman to live off a man. Your claim to the opposite is shown to be untrue. Never mind that he probably took the big-bucks job because, feminist rhetoric notwithstanding, it was deemed HIS responsibility to support the family and thus HE had to take a job he may not have liked to bring in the bucks. SHE on the other hand didn’t have to worry about the $$$ and could do something she actually enjoyed.

Now on the other hand if my mother were making the big bucks and SHE cheated on him then I would expect her to pay out the money as well.

Why? What entitles either party to a financial payout? What entitles either to live off the labor of the other?

Child support is necessary for children. If you are irresponsible to have children and then think that you can leave and have no duty towards THEM then you are an irresponsible prick. I don’t care if you are the mother or the father.

It is you who have no clue as to what is actually happening today. Men are not voluntarily leaving but are evicted from their homes, and are only allowed to see their children once every 2 weeks or so. Then society says, oh but they are still your children, you better support them, moreover, we’ll dock you for much more than it actually costs to support them. What hypocrisy. Society takes custody unjustly away from the father; guess what, their upkeep is now society’s responsibility.

If I end up making more than my fiance and divorce him and we have children, I sure as hell will be paying child support and alimony!

No, if you hold your feminist/equality ideals seriously, you will agree to a joint physical custody arrangement with no money changing hands. But if you are a hypocrite like many are, all of a sudden you will wax eloquently about how children need their mothers and how it’s a father’s duty to support his children.

These laws aren’t for women to take advantage of men even though you like to think that to suit your own beliefs. The courts make those decisions.

Sure, and the decision the court makes the most often is, sole custody to the mother, with a hefty child support order.

Yes often rainn.org/statistics check it out.

Advocacy groups have this nasty habit of inflating statistics and not referencing them. Feminist advocacy groups often flat-out lie (like the Superbowl domestic-violence hoax). Where’s an unbiased reference for this?

I see this more of the macho male mindset. Is it a woman’s fault that a man doesn’t want to seem like a wuss? I am all for a man reporting any sexual harassment!! But it is the other men that think it is a wimp like thing to do…like why would a guy complain about having a woman come on to them.

Because men are manipulated into thinking women are a “prize” they must “earn”. This is changing however, as many men are finding today’s women aren’t such great shakes after all…

I didn’t deny that women did that, I said it was WRONG and DEGRADING. I have never used sex to get what I want b/c I think it diminishes my intellectual capability to do so. Women who want the easy way out or who are too stupid to do it intellectually use sex. Makes me sick.

Right, now why should society tolerate this kind of behavior and attitude? If society is serious about tapping into women’s heretofore unknown reservoirs of ability, then it should certainly not tolerate women taking the “easy way out”. It should demand the responsibility of women that women are so insistent they are able to bear. Which means, no women don’t get to make their way in life by seducing a rich man, manipulating him into some sham of a marriage, then divorcing after claiming “no longer fulfilled” (after enough years have elapsed that the courts are sure to award alimony and child support).

Maybe only b/c women weren’t ALLOWED to join the military by MEN and thus did not sacrifice their lives…but they helped take care of things here at home so all hell wouldn’t break lose. Now that women are allowed to join they have been and doing an outstanding job!

Hmmm, some might disagree with you about this “outstanding job”. It’s well known many women “accidentally” get pregnant oh, around about the time they are going to be scheduled for combat duty. Moreover, the standards have been “gender-normed” merely for the sake of getting more women there, who probably shouldn’t be in the first place. This has no place in the Armed Forces, where incompetence is not a joke but a matter of life and death.

 

[leftistdestroye]

Dale_M;3612934]

Thanks for taking that with good humor. I shouldn’t have used the rolling on the floor laughing emoticon - its use was uncharitable, and I regret it.

Well, it wasn’t really in good humor. Your assertion that inseurities are fueling this, was.

Abortion is an evil - it needs to be stopped. Promiscuity is a problem - our culture needs to come up with better standards than teaching sexiness is power. High divorce rates are also a problem, but I think the reasons people get divorced now also existed before feminism -its just that now women can leave.

The top three reasons for abortion are:

concerned about how having baby would change her life 74%
can’t afford baby now 73%
has problems with relationship or wants to avoid single parenthood 48%

Feminism and Liberalism are responsible for this. Same for promiscuity. (Sexual revolution, women being “liberated”)
Divorce, yeah, No Fault play’s a part, sure. But feminism has enabled women to just up and leave.

Yes, but most women are no longer trapped in abusive relationships. They have the option to get out, and this makes a huge difference.

But not all of them do leave. And should society as a whole suffer for a few?

I’m not sure why you think the verse is prescriptive rather than descriptive. Certainly women have endured pain in childbirth, but that doesn’t make it a good thing. We don’t deny women pain medicine when in labor based upon Scripture. In modern times we have the ability to relieve pain, and we have the ability to treat men and women as equal partners. Its not like most of history when housework and obtaining food were full-time occupations which necessitated strict sex roles/division of labor. We have advanced beyond that, and there is no reason to continue the submission of women to men.

The pain of childbirth was not my point. God wanted men to take the lead. His words, not mine. And if the ills of society are because of feminism, which I believe, then I can see why woman sould be subserviant to men. BUT, that does not mean, in any way, shape or form, that men should treat woman badly. A woman who highlights the difference between a man, should be treated like a queen. If only the obvious differences are, well, obvious(appearance), then why treat her any different than a man? It’s like fusing cows and humans. We have the technology, but we shouldn’t use it. Our lives have changed, dosen’t neccessarily mean that we should, in this regard. In my opinion.

 

[leftistdestroye]

Carolinagirl411;3612987

that was very uncalled for! unchristian, uncharitable, and offensive

But suggesting that woman are better than men was Christian, charitable, and pleasant???

 

[Calliso]

Calliso;3612285]

Oh. Sorry bout that.

I said society, not government, not companies, SOCIETY. Big difference. How have men done such a bad job of things? What makes you think women could do it better, lil miss PMS? The majority of women, prefer to work for a man, than a woman, and that is very telling. How comfortable is your life? How bad is your life that you can sit on a computer and waste time like we all do? Chances are, you can thank more men for that, than women. You aren’t speaking German or Japanese, or even Russian because of more men, than women.

Well you will have to explain how women dominate society then. I apologize for gettings things confused. I also apologize for my last comment in that post it wasn;t neccessary. However you can;t deny the world we live in isn;t wonderful there are bad things. Men have been more or less in charge in much of the world for much of history. You can;t take credit for the good things then not take at least some credit for the bad things as well. Also I admit I do not know if women could do a better job but Idonlt think we should assume they would do worse!

Also I do live a comfortable life and I thank both the men and women and my life for that! Also if the last line is another fighting for freedom dying in combat giving their lives references…yes I owe that more to men then women but like has been said a bunch of times in many cases women weren;t even allowed in combat.

 

[Calliso]

Carolinagirl411;3612987

But suggesting that woman are better than men was Christian, charitable, and pleasant???

I apologize if that is what you thought…I shouldn;t have said what I did and I do not think women are better then men.

 

[Et_Cetera]

Quite a few people need a time out. There are things being said that are not only incorrect, but offensive. I’m looking at you, leftistdestroye(r).

 

[Carolinagirl411]

Carolinagirl411;3612987

But suggesting that woman are better than men was Christian, charitable, and pleasant???

Who every suggested that women were better than men? If you think I did then you misread my statements.If another person outright said that then they are def mistaken. Women are no better than men b/c they are women and men are no better than women b/c they are men. They are equal and complementary not equal and the same.

But using the PMS comment is def wrong!!! I wish men would experience hormone issues and see how they like it. Besides not all women exhibit PMS like symptoms. And to discredit a women’s argument just b/c you don’t like it and automatically resort to the whole “she must be PMSing” excuse is childish! And I’m sorry if that is unchristian for me to say your remark is childish and offensive but it is.

 

[Carolinagirl411]

Quite a few people need a time out. There are things being said that are not only incorrect, but offensive. I’m looking at you, leftistdestroye(r).

I’m thinking about taking my own time out before I say something against the rules here. Amazingly FRUSTRATING!!!

Usually the moderator makes a comment by now…at least that is what they did in some other threads like this.

 

[leftistdestroye]

Carolinagirl411;3613030

I just saw your post directed at me…what is your problem really? Do you HAVE to have such an attitude. If you look at my other post I answer any attacks to that particular one you seem to have singled out

My problem is that people are not seeing the problems and are not seeing the cause. They banter about any other possibillity other than the cause. They suggest that they don’t care about the problems, as long as they can get or have what THEY want. I see our society being turned in a very wrong direction that hurts our society and huts God, and that get’s caught in my craw.

How is it MANLY to want to take care of myself? HUH? I call it RESPONSIBLE and wanting to be an ADULT. Relying on someone else to take care of your issues is childish and so are your comebacks!

Let’s not get all hysterical now. You are so determined NOT to have a man support you(and/or a family), that it comes off as very manly and fiercely independant. Almost as if you are angry at men. You said:" I will not have a man supporting me in any fashion." Why? Why are you soooo against a man doing that? I mean, sounds like you won’t even consider it! EVER!

My Arrogance? The person whom I was ACTUALLY speaking to made comments on how he couldn’t stand women holding him in contempt. I was trying to prove a point that he was also holding them in contempt and generalizing since not ALL women fit those descriptions and he agreed with me!

YOu said: There are some women out there who will sexually exploit men and the men go running to the law. Equal

THAT, was what I was replying to.

You seem to show nothing but bitterness and disdain without ever bringing anything of substance to the table. That isn’t arrogance that is my opinion

It is arrogant to think that life, as you know it, will always be protected by liberal laws.

Many of your comments are completely uncharitable and uncalled for

So.

as far as the military issue which you seem to be focused on, I already addressed that…MEN did not ALLOW women to join! So they couldn’t sacrifice. That is slowly changing and will take time. After all men make the rules the majority of the time in government. Take it up with THEM!

I focused on many things, but since you brought it up, woman can now go to war, but do not die equally. They can get all of the benefits, minus the death in combat thing, statistically speaking. Yeah, that’s equal.

I am proud and honored that the men out their gave their lives for me so that I may live here and I am also grateful. I don’t see them as MEN doing it I see them as Fellow Americans fighting and they deserve all the honor and respect.

Sure, American men. It’s ok to say that. Really, it is.

 

[neat62]

Naztakuan;3612810]

Then why weren’t the punishments equal? “Rule over thee” is the price to be paid for what the woman did.

I said that God did not order that to be done to women. And with or without feminism, all that still happens. Both sides do it. Feminism was gunna “liberate” women from that, but it didn’t. All it did was to help ruin society.

No, that’s how you took it. I told you that to show, with all that I have said, still fell in love with a woman like that. **And just wait until she get’s here! You think I am tough? LOL **The thing is, is that she wants what I want. And yes, she has benefitted from feminism, although I will start a war with her if she sees that! LOL But that’s ok because I am the man and I will win.

But feminism has created a buch of whores in this society. Boy, it really did “liberate” women, didn’t it? That’s one of my points.

Actually, I’ve already been here sweetie…and I have already been chastised because I don’t fall in step with the rest of the females and hail the movement. Because I have different thoughts and believe that feminism was not and is not good…I have been called angry, bitter, arrogant and narrow minded…so much for the idea of being able to “do your own thing and be an “independent” woman”…sigh…

Apparently, I am just supposed to cow-tow and cry that “men held me back” and that “I don’t “need” a man”…or that “women are the same (equal) to men”…blah, blah, blah…

I am supposed to turn my back on the fact that God created us to be different and that each of us, men, women and children, have specific duties and roles as outlined by Christ.

I am supposed to ignore the examples of family that St. Joseph and the Blessed Mother set for us, insisting that MY way is better.

Sorry…but, as you know, I just refuse to “fall in line” and turn my back on the sanctity of family! I refuse to face Christ one day and have to tell Him, that I decided that the ways of this world, were better than His ways.

By the way sweetie…thank you for being strong in mind, strong in character and strong in faith…you definitely exude manliness…and are an example of what we so desperately need more of in society today!

 

[leftistdestroye]

Carolinagirl411;3613060]

PS: I just re read my post and realized i said some uncharitable things myself and I do apologize for those things. I was just so unbelievably FRUSTRATED. The rest stands.

No need for an apology. I am quite used to that kind of reply. And actually, LOL, your were charitable compared to the replies I get from the secular sites! I just replied to your last post before I read this one, so please, forgive me.

 

[leftistdestroye]

Et Cetera;3613107]

I think leftisdestroye needs a time out; his rudeness is not needed.

lol

 

[Dale_M]

Well, it wasn’t really in good humor.

Then I apologize to you.

The top three reasons for abortion are:
concerned about how having baby would change her life 74%
can’t afford baby now 73%
has problems with relationship or wants to avoid single parenthood 48%

Feminism and Liberalism are responsible for this.

This assumes that most women who get abortion are feminists or liberals and I am not sure that is true.

Same for promiscuity. (Sexual revolution, women being “liberated”)

I don’t see why you are blaming the women, when it is just as much the fault of guys.

Divorce, yeah, No Fault play’s a part, sure. But feminism has enabled women to just up and leave.

Which is a good thing - it has saved lives.

The pain of childbirth was not my point. God wanted men to take the lead. His words, not mine.

Well, that is your interpretation of His words. My point is that the way you interpret the verse doesn’t make sense. To me the verse seems to explain why certain things in life are the way they are - painful childbirth and men dominating women. I don’t get the sense that God is saying that this is the ideal - either with painful childbirth or with men over women. You seem to want to ignore the first half of the verse and keep the half which fits your interpretation.