Films 'Risen' and 'The Young Messiah'

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Ms. Rice alienated her fan base when she first released the “Christ our Lord” book. She ranted against the vampire fans and probably drove a lot of her sales down. She came back after one of her kids came out as gay but her rep was still damaged. I hope the movie breaks even for her.
 
instinctmagazine.com/post/anne-rice-shuts-down-christian-homophobia-facebook

I’m not going to belabor this. However, the above is only one of many articles that point to the fact the Anne Rice’s Worldview should cause thinking Catholics to BOYCOTT her film, not promote it. I watched the trailer, simply so I could have a better concept of what to think on it. Even the trailer contains heretical and iffy material (Jesus’ ‘first’ miracle was NOT bringing a bird back to life; Centurions were NOT looking for him when he came out of the temple; there is no indication that the Blessed Mother had to prompt Jesus to know who he was, or that Jesus prayed for his ‘path’ as a child).

We all love the Lord. We all want to be closer to Him. But we need to be careful not to be sucked into a hater of the Church’s version of Jesus

I for one will be discouraging Christians from buying tickets and lining this Church-hating, Gay-promoting, Abortion Rights-Promoting, and Female Clergy-Promoting author.

As we say in Italian, “Basta!”
 
instinctmagazine.com/post/anne-rice-shuts-down-christian-homophobia-facebook

I’m not going to belabor this. However, the above is only one of many articles that point to the fact the Anne Rice’s Worldview should cause thinking Catholics to BOYCOTT her film, not promote it. I watched the trailer, simply so I could have a better concept of what to think on it. Even the trailer contains heretical and iffy material (Jesus’ ‘first’ miracle was NOT bringing a bird back to life; Centurions were NOT looking for him when he came out of the temple; there is no indication that the Blessed Mother had to prompt Jesus to know who he was, or that Jesus prayed for his ‘path’ as a child).

We all love the Lord. We all want to be closer to Him. But we need to be careful not to be sucked into a hater of the Church’s version of Jesus

I for one will be discouraging Christians from buying tickets and lining this Church-hating, Gay-promoting, Abortion Rights-Promoting, and Female Clergy-Promoting author.

As we say in Italian, “Basta!”
a group from our church is sponsoring this movie one night at the movie theatre. the tickets are $15 each! a fundraiser of some type. I am passing on this one.
 
instinctmagazine.com/post/anne-rice-shuts-down-christian-homophobia-facebook

I’m not going to belabor this. However, the above is only one of many articles that point to the fact the Anne Rice’s Worldview should cause thinking Catholics to BOYCOTT her film, not promote it. I watched the trailer, simply so I could have a better concept of what to think on it. Even the trailer contains heretical and iffy material (Jesus’ ‘first’ miracle was NOT bringing a bird back to life; Centurions were NOT looking for him when he came out of the temple; there is no indication that the Blessed Mother had to prompt Jesus to know who he was, or that Jesus prayed for his ‘path’ as a child).

We all love the Lord. We all want to be closer to Him. But we need to be careful not to be sucked into a hater of the Church’s version of Jesus

I for one will be discouraging Christians from buying tickets and lining this Church-hating, Gay-promoting, Abortion Rights-Promoting, and Female Clergy-Promoting author.

As we say in Italian, “Basta!”
Here, check out this review by a Catholic film critic before you judge it: decentfilms.com/reviews/youngmessiah

Anne Rice wrote the novel when she had converted back to Catholicism. She wasn’t a hater of the Church at that point in her life. So the movie is not giving us a distorted vision like you say. It even fixes some of the more problematic parts in Rice’s novel and makes it orthodox. The director is a devout Christians also, so there’s no need to boycott it.

Catholics aren’t sola scripturalists, just because the movie adds some things where scripture is silent doesn’t make it heresy. The bible never said Jesus was tempted by Satan in the garden of Gethsemane, but that doesn’t mean it was wrong for Mel Gibson to add that in.

I’m looking forward to seeing it. It sounds great.
 
Yes, perhaps a Boycott is strong. And I do not subscribe to Sola Scriptura. But we do follow Holy Traditions that are recorded via the Church Fathers in the early centuries. I have never heard of any of the complaint issues raised by myself and others about the movie being steeped at least in Traditional understanding of Christ in Egypt.

Even though this is fiction and speculation, and likely well done, I am simply wondering how many non- or poorly catechized will come away truly believing that Jesus raised a bird from the dead at 7 or 8 years old, or that the Centurions were still looking for him long past Herod’s murder of the Holy Innocents. The film implies that, at least from the trailer.

As a film to enjoy, and if one suspends reality of what we know for certain via Holy Scriptures and Holy Tradition of Mother Church, it may work. Just hope we don’t find a feeding frenzy through the media perpetuating these non-substantiated visions of Christ. Remember “Jesus Christ Superstar”…people still point to Jesus’ supposed relationship with Mary Magdalene and that her love was romantic toward him…that he was ‘just a man.’ Film is a powerful medium to imprint in the brain.

I may be hyper-sensitive. However, I may venture out to view the film…but with a discerning eye. Pray that all will likewise use discernment, and God protect the vulnerable from taking away false beliefs about Our Lord’s early life.
 
Yes, perhaps a Boycott is strong. And I do not subscribe to Sola Scriptura. But we do follow Holy Traditions that are recorded via the Church Fathers in the early centuries. I have never heard of any of the complaint issues raised by myself and others about the movie being steeped at least in Traditional understanding of Christ in Egypt.

Even though this is fiction and speculation, and likely well done, I am simply wondering how many non- or poorly catechized will come away truly believing that Jesus raised a bird from the dead at 7 or 8 years old, or that the Centurions were still looking for him long past Herod’s murder of the Holy Innocents. The film implies that, at least from the trailer.

As a film to enjoy, and if one suspends reality of what we know for certain via Holy Scriptures and Holy Tradition of Mother Church, it may work. Just hope we don’t find a feeding frenzy through the media perpetuating these non-substantiated visions of Christ. Remember “Jesus Christ Superstar”…people still point to Jesus’ supposed relationship with Mary Magdalene and that her love was romantic toward him…that he was ‘just a man.’ Film is a powerful medium to imprint in the brain.

I may be hyper-sensitive. However, I may venture out to view the film…but with a discerning eye. Pray that all will likewise use discernment, and God protect the vulnerable from taking away false beliefs about Our Lord’s early life.
I understand what you are saying, but the problem is there is really nothing in Sacred Tradition about Jesus’ life in Egypt either. We know from Matthew’s gospel that Joseph did not go back to Bethlehem because he was afraid Herod’s son, Herod Antipas, would also be hunting Jesus. So it’s entirely possible that Jesus was still in danger when he lived in Egypt. It certainly doesn’t contradict anything we know from Scripture and Tradition.

And I think that’s the biggest thing. As long as what the film makers add is not contrary to what we know from Scripture and Tradition, there’s not really a problem. After all “there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.” 🙂

But it’s good of you that you want to make sure that Our Lord is portrayed truly. I just think it’s pretty cool that we have not just one, but two movies in theaters at the same time about Christ. 👍
 
I spoke to several people who saw it from our church and they didn’t like it at all. One lady said she wanted to leave half way through the movie, but they would have had to walk in front of too many people to get to the aisle to leave. This was the movie The Young Messiah.
 
Here’s a pretty good review of ‘The Young Messiah.’ From the review;
Here’s a précis from the filmmakers’ website:
When the mystery of Jesus’ divinity begins to unfold in His early years, He turns to His parents for answers. But Mary and Joseph, in an effort to protect their child, are afraid to reveal all they know.
It is heresy to assert that His divinity was ever hidden from Jesus, that His awareness was developmental.
As the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith put it in a 1966 document about “popular” errors following Vatican II:
A certain Christological humanism is twisted such that Christ is reduced to the condition of an ordinary man who, at a certain point, acquired a consciousness of his divinity as Son of God.
In Gaudium et Spes (paraphrasing St. Paul in Hebrews 4:15), the Council fathers wrote that Jesus, “orn of the Virgin Mary. . .has truly been made one of us, like to us in all things except sin.” How could the 7-year-old Jesus have avoided sin if He were unaware of His divinity? (For a clear exposition of this infallible teaching, consult “Jesus’s Knowledge” by Fr. William G. Most. )
Heresy? Very troubling! Umm…No, I’ll pass.
Peace, Mark
 
I heard this was pretty good, from a couple of Reformed Protestants, and honestly it does look good so I’ll probably be seeing it before it’s moved out of the cinemas near me.
 
I just watched the film. It is a pretty fairy tale of the young messiah raising a bird from the dead in front of his friends and later bringing a young bully back to life. More disturbing were the scenes of the devil tormenting him in along with trying to influence the Roman Centurion to kill him in Jerusalem. Oh! I almost overlooked the baptism scene in the Jordan where his uncle dunks him under the waters and then is miraculously healed.

According to scripture Jesus first public miracle was at Cana.

The film is based on a book by Ann Rice. We already have too many young adults questioning the truth of the bible. This movie will only add fuel to that fire. I’m not so sure that is not the intent the intent behind the film. I advise not contributing to their cause.

God bless! joe
 
Here’s a pretty good review of ‘The Young Messiah.’ From the review;

Heresy? Very troubling! Umm…No, I’ll pass.

Peace, Mark
Code:
For hardly was He conceived in the womb of the Mother of God, when He began to enjoy the Beatific Vision, and in that vision all the members of His Mystical Body were continually and unceasingly present to Him, and He embraced them with His redeeming love.
As… As a zygote?

Well, I thought the hypostatic union was beyond any man’s understanding, but fine…
 
Well, according to the article below there is not an agreement that the film is bad.

“Captivating, inspiring and deeply moving” is the endorsement offered by Cardinal Sean O’Malley, archbishop of Boston, for Motive Entertainment’s new film, The Young Messiah.

Charles J. Chaput, archbishop of Philadelphia, is similarly enthusiastic. He called it, “a portrait true to biblical faith but without sentimentality … an exceptional movie, engaging from start to finish; a film worth seeing and owning and seeing again.”

And Archbishop Thomas Wenski, of Miami, said of the film, “This presentation of The Young Messiah perhaps opens a door into people’s hearts that otherwise would have been shut because of their fear of God, anger with God or indifference to God.”

The Young Messiah, which opened in theaters yesterday, promises to be one of the best Christian-themed releases during this Lenten season. Steven Greydanus gave it a “thumbs up” in his review at the National Catholic Register, calling it “a smart, moving take on a hidden year in Jesus’ life that both believers and nonbelievers can enjoy.” Steve McEveety, CEO of Mpower and a producer of The Passion of the Christ, has said that it “succeeds beautifully in imagining the mystery.” Praise continues to pour in from pastors and church leaders across America.

The film, directed by Cyrus Nowrasteh and his wife and writing partner, Betsy (The Stoning of Soraya M), imagines a year in the childhood of Jesus, a time about which the Scriptures tell us little. Oh, we know from Luke’s gospel about the infant Jesus’ birth in Bethlehem, and about his family’s flight into Egypt to escape the evil Herod. But then we don’t see him again until years later, in the Temple at Jerusalem, when he had somehow become separated from his parents — and then not again until he begins his adult ministry at age 30.

But when he was a child, did he understand his divinity? Could he heal the sick, raise the dead and work other miracles?

The Young Messiah asks that question and then shows the child Jesus exercising powers that are unique to God. But the film isn’t the first to consider this possibility: When the seven-year-old Jesus holds a drowned bird in his hands in The Young Messiah and gives him new life, I am reminded of the apocryphal Infancy Gospel of Thomas which dates to the second century. In that narrative, Jesus breathed life into inanimate birds his friends had fashioned from clay. In the same story he resurrected a friend who fell from a roof (similar to the boy who trips on an apple and dies in the streets of Alexandria in The Young Messiah).

Must we believe these imaginative tales from Jesus’ boyhood? Of course not — but there is nothing in the Scriptures to prevent us from pondering what it must have meant to be God in the body of a small boy.

Anne Rice imagined Jesus’ boyhood in her 2005 bestseller Christ the Lord: Out of Egypt, on which the movie is based. It hints that although Herod the Great was dead, the Holy Family was still threatened by his son, Herod Antipas. The Young Messiah assumes that the younger Herod followed in his father’s footsteps, launching a search for the child Jesus that placed his family in peril once again.

And beyond Herod, there is an otherworldly antagonist, a dark-caped demon who is visible to the Christ Child but not to others in his vicinity. The boy Jesus struggles to understand what this means and seeks to understand his own inexplicable powers. His parents and extended family have shielded him from the truth of his unusual birth, of the visit by the Magi and of the tragic slaughter of the innocents that occurred at the command of Herod the Great. At the Temple he finally hears those stories for the first time.

aleteia.org/2016/03/12/critics-and-cardinals-applaud-the-young-messiah/

Anne Rice has an interesting profile of books and views. Check out the wiki link below.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Rice
 
Steve Ray has some interesting comments about Young Messiah. I haven’t seen the film yet but totally agree with what he’s saying. Listening to Holy Family Radio quite a bit, it’s deeply troubling how many well known commentators - when trying to explain Christ’s early years as portrayed in the film - go into a muddled middle ground and seem quite lost, haha.

Several have referenced the Gospel of Thomas as some of the source material - but mention it as an interesting ‘tidbit’ instead of what it is - a complete and utter heresy.

They then go on to remark about how wonderful the portrayal is of Joseph and Mary…choosing to focus on that instead of the myriad of problems and challenges.

catholic-convert.com/blog/2016/03/15/new-movie-the-young-messiah-and-a-few-important-theological-errors/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
 
Sorry, that was an article by Dave Armstrong on Steve’s website…
 
Regarding your reference to the supposed Gospel of Thomas, it is important to know that this writing is questionable, at best. See:

catholic.com/quickquestions/why-isnt-the-gospel-of-thomas-in-the-bible

…Karen
Well, according to the article below there is not an agreement that the film is bad.

“Captivating, inspiring and deeply moving” is the endorsement offered by Cardinal Sean O’Malley, archbishop of Boston, for Motive Entertainment’s new film, The Young Messiah.

Charles J. Chaput, archbishop of Philadelphia, is similarly enthusiastic. He called it, “a portrait true to biblical faith but without sentimentality … an exceptional movie, engaging from start to finish; a film worth seeing and owning and seeing again.”

And Archbishop Thomas Wenski, of Miami, said of the film, “This presentation of The Young Messiah perhaps opens a door into people’s hearts that otherwise would have been shut because of their fear of God, anger with God or indifference to God.”

The Young Messiah, which opened in theaters yesterday, promises to be one of the best Christian-themed releases during this Lenten season. Steven Greydanus gave it a “thumbs up” in his review at the National Catholic Register, calling it “a smart, moving take on a hidden year in Jesus’ life that both believers and nonbelievers can enjoy.” Steve McEveety, CEO of Mpower and a producer of The Passion of the Christ, has said that it “succeeds beautifully in imagining the mystery.” Praise continues to pour in from pastors and church leaders across America.

The film, directed by Cyrus Nowrasteh and his wife and writing partner, Betsy (The Stoning of Soraya M), imagines a year in the childhood of Jesus, a time about which the Scriptures tell us little. Oh, we know from Luke’s gospel about the infant Jesus’ birth in Bethlehem, and about his family’s flight into Egypt to escape the evil Herod. But then we don’t see him again until years later, in the Temple at Jerusalem, when he had somehow become separated from his parents — and then not again until he begins his adult ministry at age 30.

But when he was a child, did he understand his divinity? Could he heal the sick, raise the dead and work other miracles?

The Young Messiah asks that question and then shows the child Jesus exercising powers that are unique to God. But the film isn’t the first to consider this possibility: When the seven-year-old Jesus holds a drowned bird in his hands in The Young Messiah and gives him new life, I am reminded of the apocryphal Infancy Gospel of Thomas which dates to the second century. In that narrative, Jesus breathed life into inanimate birds his friends had fashioned from clay. In the same story he resurrected a friend who fell from a roof (similar to the boy who trips on an apple and dies in the streets of Alexandria in The Young Messiah).

Must we believe these imaginative tales from Jesus’ boyhood? Of course not — but there is nothing in the Scriptures to prevent us from pondering what it must have meant to be God in the body of a small boy.

Anne Rice imagined Jesus’ boyhood in her 2005 bestseller Christ the Lord: Out of Egypt, on which the movie is based. It hints that although Herod the Great was dead, the Holy Family was still threatened by his son, Herod Antipas. The Young Messiah assumes that the younger Herod followed in his father’s footsteps, launching a search for the child Jesus that placed his family in peril once again.

And beyond Herod, there is an otherworldly antagonist, a dark-caped demon who is visible to the Christ Child but not to others in his vicinity. The boy Jesus struggles to understand what this means and seeks to understand his own inexplicable powers. His parents and extended family have shielded him from the truth of his unusual birth, of the visit by the Magi and of the tragic slaughter of the innocents that occurred at the command of Herod the Great. At the Temple he finally hears those stories for the first time.

aleteia.org/2016/03/12/critics-and-cardinals-applaud-the-young-messiah/

Anne Rice has an interesting profile of books and views. Check out the wiki link below.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Rice
 
Thanks SO much for the Steve Ray post of Dave Armstrong’s essay. Exactly what I’ve been saying. I’m using it on my FB apologetics page & a Catholic College group I am working with to assist them in discernment. It’s so interesting how even those here on these posts are not always able to separate the beauty of the arts from deceptive theological error. Powerful draw, movies and music are.
—K
Steve Ray has some interesting comments about Young Messiah. I haven’t seen the film yet but totally agree with what he’s saying. Listening to Holy Family Radio quite a bit, it’s deeply troubling how many well known commentators - when trying to explain Christ’s early years as portrayed in the film - go into a muddled middle ground and seem quite lost, haha.

Several have referenced the Gospel of Thomas as some of the source material - but mention it as an interesting ‘tidbit’ instead of what it is - a complete and utter heresy.

They then go on to remark about how wonderful the portrayal is of Joseph and Mary…choosing to focus on that instead of the myriad of problems and challenges.

catholic-convert.com/blog/2016/03/15/new-movie-the-young-messiah-and-a-few-important-theological-errors/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
 
Risen was good, it has the potential of becoming a classic. It has a Ben Hur type feel to it.
 
Risen was good, it has the potential of becoming a classic. It has a Ben Hur type feel to it.
I really enjoyed Risen. From a purely film making standpoint it was top notch. It had some truly powerful moments for sure.

My favorite thing about the movie was the portrayal of the Apostle Bartholomew.

Warning: small spoiler below:

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The absolute joy of Bartholomew over the Ressurection - almost to the point of giddiness - was wonderful and inspired. His interrogation scene was fantastic.
 
Just to clarify; what Steve Ray posted was not an article of mine, but rather, a letter I sent out to a bunch of apologists. I have dealt with The Young Messiah in two critical posts one / two]. The second is excerpts from a 1922 dissertation about the consciousness of young Jesus.
 
Just to clarify; what Steve Ray posted was not an article of mine, but rather, a letter I sent out to a bunch of apologists. I have dealt with The Young Messiah in two critical posts one / two]. The second is excerpts from a 1922 dissertation about the consciousness of young Jesus.
Mr. Armstrong

Have you seen this piece by Steven Greydanus that argues the movie’s depiction of Jesus’ human consciousness is not heretical?

decentfilms.com/blog/what-did-jesus-know

I respect both your and Greydanus’ work, and I know you are both serious Catholics, so I’m interested to know what you think. His argument makes a lot of sense to me and seems pretty well rooted in Catholic teaching.
 
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