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Joie_de_Vivre
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The Catholic Church also labels masturbation, fornication and adultery as intrinsically disordered, the issue is that the laity doesn’t seem to realize this and acts as if only gay sex is intrinsically disordered which changes the character of the discussion.I believe there is confusion within the CC that SSA is a disorder. The CC pretty much coined the term intrinsic disorder soon after the APA dropped SSA as a disorder. Outside of the CC the term has no meaning. Now if all sex outside of marriage is labeled sinful but not a disorder then the question arises as to why does the CC need to target a particular sin and call it disordered? What need does it serve and for whom?
He did not in fact contradict himself as the APA and the Catholic Church use different terms.You contradicted yourself here. To “coin the term” means to invent it. As you point out, the APA used the term previously. It was also called a sexual perversion. What do you call someone who feels sexually attracted to people of the same sex but does not act on that attraction? Especially those who do not want to be associated with the “gay” community? SSA serves as a succinct way of acknowledging the orientation without making assumptions as to behavior.
The term “gay” does not mean that one is associated or desires to be associated with “the ‘gay’ community”.
Fornication and adultery are in fact intrinsically disordered.Other types of sex outside of marriage are simply sin. They are driven by attraction that is not objectively disordered but is disordered to ones state in life. An unmarried man having sex with an unmarried woman is disordered only because they are unmarried. A married man having sex with a woman not his wife is disordered because of the adultery, not because of the nature of the sexual acts or attractions.
The Church doesn’t label just the sin of homosexual activity “disordered”. It acknowledges that the **attraction **is disordered - literally ordered to the wrong object.
Some people here would claim two men holding hands is shoving the gay lifestyle in their face.All I can tell you is its never been a problem in any of our family gatherings. Its not like my daughter and her partner sit on then couch necking the whole time. I have zero chance of having influence on their lives and the lives of their children if I ostracize them. In addition if I start ostracizing my children because they sin there will be no one at my family gatherings-myself included. Should I, for instance, ostracize the daughter who desperately trying to get pregnant via intro vitro fertilization? Or how about the daughter who hasn’t been to Church in years?
We do agree with the core teaching-homosexual behavior is a grievous sin. But it is not an unforgivable sin and it is not a sin over which I am willing to lose my relationship with my daughter over.