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Lormar
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Mine as well.
I havenāt read through this entire thread, so I donāt know what you mean about āseeing the other shoe drop.ā
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gilliam
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Officials: 50 of 100 close contacts with Ebola patient in Dallas monitored daily; 10 at āhigh riskā of developing disease
330pm WH briefing on US response to Ebola
Lisa Monaco
HHS Secy Burwell
NIH Dr. Fauci
Raj Shah
Gen. Rodriguez, AFRICOM
330pm WH briefing on US response to Ebola
Lisa Monaco
HHS Secy Burwell
NIH Dr. Fauci
Raj Shah
Gen. Rodriguez, AFRICOM
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savedbygrace71
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I understand what you are saying here, but I think you and Beautiful both mean to say ancestorsMy descendants also. In fact, in 1910, my grandfather was almost sent back to Europe because he had one leg shorter than the other. Can you believe it?
And I do wish that there was some sort of more strict screening. Asking the question isnāt good enough since obviously the man in question simply lied.
Also, nervous because today my husband is flying through the Dallas airport. Iām a wreck just thinking about it and knowing that there is not one thing we can do but pray that it is sufficiently clean. Itās been a couple of weeks now, correct? So no matter what, the virus would have died by nowā¦right?
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Lormar
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Thank you for the correction.I understand what you are saying here, but I think you and Beautiful both mean to say ancestors
And I do wish that there was some sort of more strict screening. Asking the question isnāt good enough since obviously the man in question simply lied.
Also, nervous because today my husband is flying through the Dallas airport. Iām a wreck just thinking about it and knowing that there is not one thing we can do but pray that it is sufficiently clean. Itās been a couple of weeks now, correct? So no matter what, the virus would have died by nowā¦right?
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gilliam
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This will be LIVE on C-SPAN2 scheduled for 3:30pm ET
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whatsmyname
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Yes, the virus would have died by now. The danger isnāt that youāll catch it from this man. Itās that his family will catch it. Their contacts will catch it. Those peopleās contacts will catch it. And it will spread and spread and spread uncontrollably around the continent over the course of the next few years.
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7_Sorrows
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Just listening to Rush and he played a clip of a man speaking probably
on CNN saying āhow dare we think of banning flights to Liberia because of the slavery our country used helped to create the country of Liberiaā - those arenāt his exact words, but that what he was getting at.
Rush also played a clip of Van Jones saying we have Obamacare now so more people can afford going to the doctor.
Everyone with ties to this administration are idiots!
I agree with the poster who says he does not trust the CDC.
I donāt either. And I donāt like this director.
on CNN saying āhow dare we think of banning flights to Liberia because of the slavery our country used helped to create the country of Liberiaā - those arenāt his exact words, but that what he was getting at.
Rush also played a clip of Van Jones saying we have Obamacare now so more people can afford going to the doctor.
Everyone with ties to this administration are idiots!
I agree with the poster who says he does not trust the CDC.
I donāt either. And I donāt like this director.
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DeniseNY
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Have to wait and see on this one. There was a patient in NY that they suspected had it, but thankfully did not.
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RGCheek
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Can we trust anyone from this āYou can keep your own doctorā regime?
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7_Sorrows
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I donāt!
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Beautiful
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I understand what you are saying here, but I think you and Beautiful both mean to say ancestors
And I do wish that there was some sort of more strict screening. Asking the question isnāt good enough since obviously the man in question simply lied.
Also, nervous because today my husband is flying through the Dallas airport. Iām a wreck just thinking about it and knowing that there is not one thing we can do but pray that it is sufficiently clean. Itās been a couple of weeks now, correct? So no matter what, the virus would have died by nowā¦right?
cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/environmental-infection-control-in-hospitals.html
Your husband is safe.
Yes, ancestors . I corrected myself later in the thread. Initially, I was enraged to realize no safe screening/isolations were in place.
My dear husband and I renewed passports with dreams of traveling. The big conflicts in the Middle East turned giant. Our dreams were reduced. Now with ebola, I am dreaming of a country walk down the road. Business travelers donāt have many choices if their destination is cross country.
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Path_Finder
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Someone mentioned ā3 daysā in this thread and I tried posting it earlier, I donāt think I saw my post but anyway, it will be interesting to see how this develops by Sunday night speaking of 3 days.
Of course, just because we could have some new cases does not spell doom necessarily, it is something to keep an eye on.
Of course, just because we could have some new cases does not spell doom necessarily, it is something to keep an eye on.
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savedbygrace71
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Thank you, thank you so much. This does help me rest my mind. No matter how big our small the risk, my imagination does even more damage sometimes.
Yes, I understand about the travel. I was in Egypt many years ago and dreamed of going back to see the areas we didnāt yet visit. Thatās not likely to ever happen.
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Beautiful
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We were hoping to see the Holy Land. That wonāt happen anytime soon.
Napa Valley was looking goodā¦never been there. Then the earthquake.
Ebola with-out borders spells stay-cations.
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US is sending 1000 more troops to Africa to fight ebola.
It may be the āChristianā thing to do to try and combat it there. And if President Obama is seeking to stop it there, I commend him.
Note the below: at the source might be the best place to attack it if one wanted to halt it apparently and avoid it becoming airborne.
Consider, few can lead the world against this tragedy, the UN should lead, the US can do a lot, perhaps other developing powers can. African Nations like Sierra Leone probably find it difficult to deal with something like this.
Also, on related topic, note there are the pictures of the men in regular clothes, t-shirts spraying down where Thomas Duncan vomited in the parking lot. That vomit, pardon me for the coarseness of stating this, probably got washed down the storm drain. So, perhaps that could present a problem. It certainly would not be wise to do this as a matter of routine.
It may be the āChristianā thing to do to try and combat it there. And if President Obama is seeking to stop it there, I commend him.
Note the below: at the source might be the best place to attack it if one wanted to halt it apparently and avoid it becoming airborne.
independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/ebola-virus-pandemic-should-be-treated-the-same-way-as-threat-posed-by-nuclear-weapons-security-officials-say-9771219.html (Helpful article and diagrams on page)
Consider, few can lead the world against this tragedy, the UN should lead, the US can do a lot, perhaps other developing powers can. African Nations like Sierra Leone probably find it difficult to deal with something like this.
Also, on related topic, note there are the pictures of the men in regular clothes, t-shirts spraying down where Thomas Duncan vomited in the parking lot. That vomit, pardon me for the coarseness of stating this, probably got washed down the storm drain. So, perhaps that could present a problem. It certainly would not be wise to do this as a matter of routine.
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jen_fla
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Utterly unacceptable! I really am in shock they are not in full biohazard suits. What the @#!$ are the CDC thinking?!
Meanwhile there is a poor ignorant woman (appears to be barefoot) just standing by while ebola vomit particles are probably entering her system through her eyes or lungs. We know the virus can infect monkeys this way. These pictures just confirm a very dangerous problem is being handled incompetently.
thegatewaypundit.com/2014/10/what-ebola-quarantine-photo-shows-person-delivering-food-to-texas-ebola-victims-family/
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TigerKitty
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Today at work was discussing with colleagues about how the media is āsunnilyā reporting that Ebola is not transmitted through the air. It is. We are biologists and we are aghast at what is being said on the news. Just because itās not a ārespiratoryā virus does not mean that you cannot become infected by the virus passing through the air and onto you.
The following may make some a bit queasy, but it illustrates my points.
What is smell? Smell is ātaste from a distanceā. Essentially, when you smell something, it is because molecules/particles from the item you are smelling are IN your nose. Just think about some of the infectious bodily fluids we are talking about here. Smell is a form of contact, on the molecular level.
So maybe the virus is not EXHALED from the lungs/respiratory tract - but bodily fluids are teeming with Ebola particles. Those fluids/secretions can be aerosolized and then inhaled by another person - and that other person becomes infected.
Gross, yes, but are you aware of the toxic plume which is churned up by a toilet that flushes? Small droplets in the plume would contain more than enough Ebola particles (it only takes 1 to 10 Ebola virus particles) to make someone sick. I think you can get the picture.
And so, since my mind has been fixated on this, it has taken to thinking about apartment living. Iāve lived in about 5 different apartments in my life.
My question has to do with the ventilation between apartment units. Is there common ventilation? How about venting the bathroom to the outside (bathroom fan)? A few decades ago in Sverdlovsk, Russia, about 100 people were killed by weaponized anthrax when a crew failed to replace a filter for an exhaust fan. I hope that if Iām thinking about this stuff, that the CDC is thinking about it. Could there have been transfer of infectious particles through the ventilation system in the apartment building?
Not only that, but what about the drain/waste/vent system in the building. Were there any sewage backups into other apartments? Iāll be fixated on this stuff until we know for sure that the officials have contained the virus for sure.
Right now, my mind wonāt shut down thinking about this. Iām sorry to say that I think the 4 people who were with Eric in the apartment are living on borrowed time right now. I believe that they are 100% infected, and Iām sorry for them. Iām also concerned about the children that he came into contact with. Iād put that at 50/50 that they will be OK.
And no one knows for sure exactly when a patient becomes infectious. Itās a biological system. There is a RANGE. Itās not like flipping a light switch.
Iām sorry that the NBC cameraman has become infected - but - maybe if others in the news crew become infected the media will cut the nonsense and tell the truth - people CAN be infected via the air - you do NOT have to touch vomitus/diarrhea/sweat/saliva/blood directly to become sick.
And if you still donāt believe me, ask yourself WHY all the aid workers are wearing space suits and respirators. Nope, nope - not airborne in the least.
The following may make some a bit queasy, but it illustrates my points.
What is smell? Smell is ātaste from a distanceā. Essentially, when you smell something, it is because molecules/particles from the item you are smelling are IN your nose. Just think about some of the infectious bodily fluids we are talking about here. Smell is a form of contact, on the molecular level.
So maybe the virus is not EXHALED from the lungs/respiratory tract - but bodily fluids are teeming with Ebola particles. Those fluids/secretions can be aerosolized and then inhaled by another person - and that other person becomes infected.
Gross, yes, but are you aware of the toxic plume which is churned up by a toilet that flushes? Small droplets in the plume would contain more than enough Ebola particles (it only takes 1 to 10 Ebola virus particles) to make someone sick. I think you can get the picture.
And so, since my mind has been fixated on this, it has taken to thinking about apartment living. Iāve lived in about 5 different apartments in my life.
My question has to do with the ventilation between apartment units. Is there common ventilation? How about venting the bathroom to the outside (bathroom fan)? A few decades ago in Sverdlovsk, Russia, about 100 people were killed by weaponized anthrax when a crew failed to replace a filter for an exhaust fan. I hope that if Iām thinking about this stuff, that the CDC is thinking about it. Could there have been transfer of infectious particles through the ventilation system in the apartment building?
Not only that, but what about the drain/waste/vent system in the building. Were there any sewage backups into other apartments? Iāll be fixated on this stuff until we know for sure that the officials have contained the virus for sure.
Right now, my mind wonāt shut down thinking about this. Iām sorry to say that I think the 4 people who were with Eric in the apartment are living on borrowed time right now. I believe that they are 100% infected, and Iām sorry for them. Iām also concerned about the children that he came into contact with. Iād put that at 50/50 that they will be OK.
And no one knows for sure exactly when a patient becomes infectious. Itās a biological system. There is a RANGE. Itās not like flipping a light switch.
Iām sorry that the NBC cameraman has become infected - but - maybe if others in the news crew become infected the media will cut the nonsense and tell the truth - people CAN be infected via the air - you do NOT have to touch vomitus/diarrhea/sweat/saliva/blood directly to become sick.
And if you still donāt believe me, ask yourself WHY all the aid workers are wearing space suits and respirators. Nope, nope - not airborne in the least.
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