First Indult Tridentine Mass - Detroit

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katolik:
Michael:
I have gone to conservative NO Masses all my life before I became Traditional. To me having liturgical dancers at Mass or anyother abuses were lies. I couldn’t believe that some poeple actually did this. Now this is the problem with the NO. One priest says it like a Traditional Mass while another says it like a Pentecostal hootenanny.The Traditional Mass has unity and is the same almost everywher, while the NO is disorganized.
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I couldn’t agree more.
Also reiterating what I have said before… I participate more actively at a sung TLM then my former cnoservativer NO Mass. I’m not kidding. I used to fall asleep at NO Masses but at the Traditional Latin Mass I have not fallen asleep once.
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Point well-taken. I didn’t know they had sung TLM’s, I would love to attend one. I hear you, katolik, I will give the TLM another chance. Thanks.

God Bless,
Michael
 
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mkellogg:
I didn’t know they had sung TLM’s, I would love to attend one. I hear you, katolik, I will give the TLM another chance. Thanks.

God Bless,
Michael
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Glad to hear it Michael
 
To anyone in the area who has yet to attend the Tridentine Mass at St. Josephat due to some earlier posts describing the Mass as clumbsy among other things. This week was amongst the most beautiful Masses I’ve ever attended. Fr. Kosnac of SS. Cyril & Methodius said the Tridentine Mass for the first time in his life did a great job, and delivered a stiring homily. He stated that he was born after Vactican II in Europe and his father came in a couple of days ago to see his son celebrate this Mass, and it was a Mass we were all proud of. For the first time we used traditional vestments and incense, I believe there were more servers then in prior weeks, and the laity seems more comfortable as well. Father Kosnac will be back in two weeks if anyone out there has been thinking of attending one of these Sundays circle 11-14 on your calender and try to come.
 
Father Kosnac? I heard Fr.Kosilica… I spoke to the Father, and that’s the name I heard… but they’re from the same parish.
 
Bishop Quinn will celebrate Mass next week 11-7 !!
Mark your calenders
I hope it will be a Pontifical Mass.
 
Well that is kind of strange, the Church always had many different types of Mass coexisting at one time, and there has no been a big problem about it.

In the Catholic Church we have the Byzantine(Divine Liturgies of Sts. John Crysostrom, Basil, James), Maronite Mass, Melkite(Byzantine), TLM, NO, Ambrosian, Mozarabic, Conventual(Norbertine, Dominican, Carmalite, Carthusian, etc), Syriac, Chaldean, Syro-Malabar, Syro-Malakar.

And there is no split in the Body of Christ.
 
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Iohannes:
Well that is kind of strange, the Church always had many different types of Mass coexisting at one time, and there has no been a big problem about it.

In the Catholic Church we have the Byzantine(Divine Liturgies of Sts. John Crysostrom, Basil, James), Maronite Mass, Melkite(Byzantine), TLM, NO, Ambrosian, Mozarabic, Conventual(Norbertine, Dominican, Carmalite, Carthusian, etc), Syriac, Chaldean, Syro-Malabar, Syro-Malakar.

And there is no split in the Body of Christ.
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Who is this directed to?
 
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Podo2004:
the language that is, but not the mass(form) should be the new mass, but people go against vatican II
:blessyou: Podo the Hobbit
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I have a feeling that you have not read one documenet of Vatican II.
 
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katolik:
Bishop Quinn will celebrate Mass next week 11-7 !!
Mark your calenders
I hope it will be a Pontifical Mass.
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Where is it that you got that information? is it posted somewhere? What parish is Bishop Quinn from?
 
I heard this information after Mass. All I know is that he is an auxiliary bishop of Cardinal Maida.
 
Bishop John Quinn will be celebrating the Tridentine Mass at St. Josaphat this coming Sunday, November 28, at 9:30 AM. He will also be celebrating the noon Novus Ordo Mass there, which presumably means he will attend the social hour after Mass in the parish hall. This will be his first time at the TLM; the original schedule was changed.

Bishop Earl Boyea is also scheduled to celebrate the Tridentine Mass sometime over the next several weeks.

Please spread the word…we only got confirmation Sunday night and have not announced this to anyone yet.
 
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AlexB:
Bishop John Quinn will be celebrating the Tridentine Mass at St. Josaphat this coming Sunday, November 28, at 9:30 AM. He will also be celebrating the noon Novus Ordo Mass there, which presumably means he will attend the social hour after Mass in the parish hall. This will be his first time at the TLM; the original schedule was changed.

Bishop Earl Boyea is also scheduled to celebrate the Tridentine Mass sometime over the next several weeks.

Please spread the word…we only got confirmation Sunday night and have not announced this to anyone yet.
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What type of Mass will this be? Pontifical High,Solemn High, Sung Mass, Pontifical Low, or Low Mass?
 
A Mass celebrated by a Bishop is always a Pontifical Mass; a Pontifical Mass can be Low, High, or Solemn High.
First of all, both Masses so far have been neither High Masses nor Low Masses. Both have been Missa Cantatas, which is a sung Mass celebrated by one priest. The term High Mass within the Tridentine definition refers to a more solemn ceremony with Deacon and Subdeacon.
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Technically, what you write is true.

But in English-speaking countries, it’s always been common parlance to refer to a Missa Cantata as “High”, a Mass with deacon and subdeacon “Solemn High”, and a read Mass as “Low.”
 
We have been told that it will be either a Low Mass or a Missa Cantata as we usually do. Bishop Quinn does not want a Pontifical Mass.

Some people have asked whether it is even possible for a Bishop not to have a Pontifical Mass. May I suggest that we simply leave that issue alone and be thankful that Bishop Quinn is willing to celebrate a TLM at all.
 
Bishop Quinn does not want a Pontifical Mass.
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You must be getting your terminology wrong.

All Masses celebrated by a bishop are Pontifical Masses. These can be High, Low, or Solemn High, but they are always Pontifical, by the very fact that a bishop (i.e. a Pontiff) is celebrating it.

What this will mean is that there are certain minor additions to the usual form of Mass, like an extended orm of blessing. Otherwise, it can be High or Low, not necessarily Solemn High.

If the bishop goes ahead and says the Mass just as if it were a regular Mass, then this would be an abuse. And yet another reason why “traditionalists” refer to the Indult as the “Insult.”

I’d venture to say that most Indults are not celebrated according to the proper rubrics. The only ones I’ve seen that are are those celebrated in religious communities, like the Cantians or the Solesmes Benedictines.
 
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