First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread

[Al_Moritz]

And I’m tired of these tabloid questions, birther, etc. Let’s stick to policy questions. I expected Lester Holt to ask more mature questions, and was disappointed.

Perhaps, but Trump is an immature tabloid candidate, so the questions were appropriate.

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POLITICO/Morning Consult poll: Clinton handily beat Trump at debate

Hillary Clinton won Monday’s showdown with Donald Trump at Hofstra University, according the results of a POLITICO/Morning Consult poll released Wednesday.

Nearly half of the likely voters surveyed declared Clinton the victor in Monday’s presidential debate, the first of three in the run-up to November. Forty-nine percent said the former secretary of state bested her opponent, while 26 percent gave the edge to Trump. An additional 26 percent said they either didn’t know who won or had no opinion.

An overwhelming majority of likely voters said Monday’s bout made them more likely to tune into the next two debates at Washington University in St. Louis and the University of Nevada, Las Vegas (53 percent said “much more likely,” and 34 percent said “somewhat more likely”).

More than 6-in-10 said the presidential debates are important to how they will vote in the general election, but just 9 percent of respondents said Monday’s debate changed their minds about who they will vote for.

The survey of 1,253 likely voters was conducted online Sept. 26-27. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

 

[Lost_Sheep]

You mean the scientific poll that CNN

CNN? The "Clinton News Network? That CNN?

 

[qui_est_ce]

Perhaps, but Trump is an immature tabloid candidate, so the questions were appropriate.

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Trump doesn’t need the moderator to stoop to his level to prove that. I lost some of the esteem I had for Lester after his performance.

 

[DeniseNY]

Trump doesn’t need the moderator to stoop to his level to prove that. I lost some of the esteem I had for Lester after his performance.

Look at how Matt Lauer got raked over the coals for being “too easy” on Trump. No way was Lester Holt going to risk the same fate.

 

[DeniseNY]

For a minute I thought you were talking about Obama.

It’s never his fault, and he reads about it in the papers… at the same time everyone else does.

 

[didymus]

I agree. I think she did really really well. I was expecting her to do very well.

The, “It makes me smart” quote was , did he admit to tax evasion?

No, and I’m not accusing him of that. Tax avoidance is perfectly legal and if in fact Trump paid very little or no tax he’d say, “I’m smart, I used the laws on the books to my advantage” just as with his bankruptcies. All perfectly legal except that a self described billionaire paying no taxes is kind of a poster boy for the “fair share” crowd.

 

[Maximilan_Kolbe]

If Lester Rodham Holt wants to fact check the republican only, he could at least gets his facts straight. Stop and frisk was ruled invalid by a district court judge. Upon appeal, the decision was thrown out and the judge was chastised for such a horrendous ruling and understanding of constitutional law. The case was to be hard again, and its current status is TBD. Since the new Mayor (not surprisingly) did not choose to pursue the policy, he dropped the case. Thus, it has not been ruled unconstitutional. Officially, it has not been ruled on, since the original judge was reprimanded and the ruling was tossed out.

 

[ProVobis]

It’s never his fault, and he reads about it in the papers… at the same time everyone else does.

The microphone was to blame, didn’t you listen to him?

Incidentally Inside Edition showed him sniffing a little during the primary debates as well, except it wasn’t as noticeable.

 

[Thorolfr]

If Lester Rodham Holt wants to fact check the republican only, he could at least gets his facts straight. Stop and frisk was ruled invalid by a district court judge. Upon appeal, the decision was thrown out and the judge was chastised for such a horrendous ruling and understanding of constitutional law. The case was to be hard again, and its current status is TBD. Since the new Mayor (not surprisingly) did not choose to pursue the policy, he dropped the case. Thus, it has not been ruled unconstitutional. Officially, it has not been ruled on, since the original judge was reprimanded and the ruling was tossed out.

The decision was not thrown out and the Court of Appeals refused to stay the judge’s order:

On October 31, 2013, the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit blocked the order requiring changes to the New York Police Department’s stop-and-frisk program and removed Judge Shira Scheindlin from the case.[29][30][31] On November 9, 2013, the city asked a federal appeals court to vacate Scheindlin’s orders.[32][33] On November 22, 2013, the federal appellate court rejected the city’s motion for a stay of the judge’s orders.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop-and-frisk_in_New_York_City

 

[chero23]

Trump’s comments about Ms. Machado are disgusting.

Just to clarify this for everyone. Trump insulted the woman, he was called out for it, the woman claimed to have developed eating disorders after the contest and Trump insulted her appearance and CRITICIZED HER WEIGHT. I mean, it’s not as bad as telling a suicidal person that their life really isn’t worth living and they would be better off dead, but it’s along the same lines. Why don’t more people care about this???

I can understand people voting for him to keep Hillary out, but the mind boggles how anyone could WANT to vote for this man.

I just don’t see how people can trust Trump, especially women when he has a history of speaking horribly about women.
The other side will make the excuse, well he wasn’t a politician.

 

[Ridgerunner]

The decision was not thrown out and the Court of Appeals refused to stay the judge’s order:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop-and-frisk_in_New_York_City

From your post:

"On October 31, 2013, the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit blocked the order requiring changes to the New York Police Department’s stop-and-frisk program and removed Judge Shira Scheindlin from the case.[29][30][31] On November 9, 2013, the city asked a federal appeals court to vacate Scheindlin’s orders.[32][33] On November 22, 2013, the federal appellate court rejected the city’s motion for a stay of the judge’s orders. "

Rejecting a stay motion does not equal a decision on the merits. Since the current mayor abandoned the practice and the case, it made a stay moot. You don’t get a stay against something that isn’t happening anyway.

 

[chero23]

Bill isn’t running for President.

If Trump brings up Bill’s infedilities, HRC will have a cake walk with Trump, bc it is known that Trump cheated on one of his ex-wives.

If I were Trump, I would drop that issue.

 

[Maximilan_Kolbe]

I just don’t see how people can trust Trump, especially women when he has a history of speaking horribly about women.
The other side will make the excuse, well he wasn’t a politician.

No one who supports Trump has said you have to vote for him; there are many candidates. But you would agree that you clearly can’t vote for Clinton, especially if you place a high vale on trust, as you seem to. Agreed?

 

[chero23]

No one who supports Trump has said you have to vote for him; there are many candidates. But you would agree that you clearly can’t vote for Clinton, especially if you place a high vale on trust, as you seem to. Agreed?

Can you trust Trump?

Trump has been all over the place, one moment he says one thing, the next he’s pandering then he’s back in box 1.

True, the man is not a politician, but he’s running for POTUS, he needs to be assertive and with a cool demeanor. He doesn’t have that. That’s’a big deal.

HRC, can I say I trust her, No, I don’t but if I were to vote (I can vote but I’ve said that I won’t) and had to vote between the two, I would vote for HRC but it would be a hard pill to swallow.

 

[ProVobis]

If Trump brings up Bill’s infedilities,

Actually he already did. He was just bragging about his great restraint in not mentioning it, haha.

 

[Thorolfr]

No one who supports Trump has said you have to vote for him; there are many candidates. But you would agree that you clearly can’t vote for Clinton, especially if you place a high vale on trust, as you seem to. Agreed?

And if someone places a high value on trust, they should vote for Trump? Is there any evidence that he is more trustworthy than Clinton?

 

[Ridgerunner]

I just don’t see how people can trust Trump, especially women when he has a history of speaking horribly about women.
The other side will make the excuse, well he wasn’t a politician.

Trust him to do what? Not insult people? All kinds of trustworthy people insult people, including right here on CAF. Harry Truman and Lyndon Johnson made Trump look like “Mr. Manners” by comparison.

The Middle East is ablaze. Russia is devouring Ukraine. China is building Islands with landing strips in the South China Sea. North Korea is developing missiles capable of hitting the U.S. and Iran is going nuclear while taking over Iraq and Syria, the economy is lackluster at best, and we’re to worry about manners as the basis for supporting candidates?

 

[DeniseNY]

I just don’t see how people can trust Trump, especially women when he has a history of speaking horribly about women.
The other side will make the excuse, well he wasn’t a politician.

Are you equally as concerned with Hillary’s history of maligning the women who have been involved (putting it charitably) with her husband?

 

[chero23]

And if someone places a high value on trust, they should vote for Trump? Is there any evidence that he is more trustworthy than Clinton?

Exactly. The man doesn’t seem to show it.

I agree, he’s an outsider, but besides that, I wouldn’t really think he is trustworthy.

 

[Ridgerunner]

And if someone places a high value on trust, they should vote for Trump? Is there any evidence that he is more trustworthy than Clinton?

I’ll admit Trump has not had the opportunity to sell his country’s interests for money or start a war, but neither is there any particular reason to think he would, and there is some reason to doubt it. As against Hillary Clinton’s dismal record, I would say that’s as much evidence as we’re likely to get before the election.

I do trust Trump not to try to make me “change my religion” as he has never said the slightest thing to indicate such an intent. Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, wants to do it. The only thing is was don’t know what she intends to do in order to make me change.

As between the two on “changing my religion” I trust Trump. I already know what Clinton wants to happen.