First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread

[chero23]

Nobody could possibly doubt the Middle East is a much bigger mess from our standpoint than it was in 2007.

Russia doesn’t have to “declare” war in Ukraine. They just do it.

There is no reason to think China or Russia, either one, will corral NoKo from harming the free nations. China could have stopped NoKo from building nukes the first place, but didn’t.

One should pay better attention to the stock market. It’s not a retail market. It’s a “carry trade” market. Watch what happens every time the Fed even acts like maybe it will increase interest rates. It takes a bath. And I didn’t argue in favor of the market during Repub presidencies. My only point is that a high stock market today is based almost totally on what amount to negative interest rates. That has happened before, too, but it’s not an indicator of financial health. There are very good indicators that the economy is not doing well, which is exactly why the Fed isn’t raising rates.

Can Trump solve those problems? Hard to know, because they’re so far gone, but at least, unlike Hillary Clinton, he had no part in creating them in the first place.

The man has acknowledged that he triumphed during the recession of 2007-2008.
I get it, the man is a businessman, but aren’t we as Catholics suppose to look out for others.
Trump, is all about me “I did this”, “I did that”. “I have billions of dollars”.
When HRC said he doesn’t pay fedral taxes, he replied "b/c I’m smart’. Then he went off and blames the media. Please, that man ia all about self-deflection, self glory and self interest.
Like I said, we point the finger at HRC and as well as we should, bc of her stance on moral issues (abortion, transgender restrooms, gay marriage). Those are firm anti0Catholic stances.
But, isn’t bloating, taking away from others, disrespecting others, cheating on their spouse, having gotten divorced several times and remarried not go against Catholic doctrine as well?
To me iit seems like double standards.

 

[chero23]

Howard Dean owes Trump an apology for suggesting he was on cocaine during the debate! Truly Pathetic!!!

He wasn’t the only who made that comment.

So you want Dean to apologize, but you won’t tell Trump to apologize for lying about Obama’s birth?

Wow, talk about double standards

 

[Thorolfr]

Nobody could possibly doubt the Middle East is a much bigger mess from our standpoint than it was in 2007.

It’s a bigger mess, I agree. I’ve lived in the Middle East and traveled there a lot and speak Arabic. I’m sure that much of Aleppo (which I visited a number of times) has been reduced to ruins which is a sad thing. But the notion that the US by itself could have prevented all the bad things that have taken place there or can control all the forces that have been unleashed there is a fantasy. Much of the hatred between Sunnis and Shia has been around for centuries and keeping a lid on things in the Middle East by our support of dictators like al-Sisi in Egypt is not going to continue working. Much of what is taking place in the Middle East now would have happened regardless of anything we could possibly have done to prevent it.

 

[Maximilan_Kolbe]

Howard Dean owes Trump an apology for suggesting he was on cocaine during the debate! Truly Pathetic!!!

I doubt anyone on here will admit to supporting Dean in 2004. He is as virtuous and noble as a cloned amalgamation Harry Reid, Pinnochio, and Judas.

To think anyone would employ the man after that tweet is galling.

 

[Michael68]

He wasn’t the only who made that comment.

So you want Dean to apologize, but you won’t tell Trump to apologize for lying about Obama’s birth?

Wow, talk about double standards

Hillary didn’t apologize for starting it. There’s your double standard. Everyone wants Trump to apologize for whatever but not Hillary. Yep, double standard

 

[sallybutler]

Some people call it “jilted wife with no integrity attacks the victim” syndrome.

Or simply blaming the victim.

Isn’t the wife the victim?

I know some people think it is the wife’s fault if the husband cheats. I personally, I think it is the husband and the person he cheats with, not the wife. Him for having an extra-marital affair, the person he cheats with for being intimately involved with a person that is not their spouse.

Why is it always the wife who gets blamed for the affair? Then if she stays with the husband, she is a chump, if she divorces him, she has destroyed her marriage?

:banghead:

 

[DeniseNY]

Isn’t the wife the victim?

I know some people think it is the wife’s fault if the husband cheats. I personally, I think it is the husband and the person he cheats with, not the wife. Him for having an extra-marital affair, the person he cheats with for being intimately involved with a person that is not their spouse.

Why is it always the wife who gets blamed for the affair? Then if she stays with the husband, she is a chump, if she divorces him, she has destroyed her marriage?

:banghead:

I think Kathleen Willey would disagree that HRC is the victim.

 

[ProVobis]

Good points. Are you perhaps suggesting that America is already “great” and doesn’t need a superman to make it “great again”?

Back in 2012, the gloom and doomers were predicting that Chinese economy would surpass the US by 2016. Looking at China still lowering their interest rates to stimulate its economy, I would say that that prediction didn’t happen. Of course with another bankruptcy-tainted President, that may change.

 

[Al_Moritz]

POLITICO/Morning Consult poll: Clinton handily beat Trump at debate

Hillary Clinton won Monday’s showdown with Donald Trump at Hofstra University, according the results of a POLITICO/Morning Consult poll released Wednesday.

Nearly half of the likely voters surveyed declared Clinton the victor in Monday’s presidential debate, the first of three in the run-up to November. Forty-nine percent said the former secretary of state bested her opponent, while 26 percent gave the edge to Trump. An additional 26 percent said they either didn’t know who won or had no opinion.

An overwhelming majority of likely voters said Monday’s bout made them more likely to tune into the next two debates at Washington University in St. Louis and the University of Nevada, Las Vegas (53 percent said “much more likely,” and 34 percent said “somewhat more likely”).

More than 6-in-10 said the presidential debates are important to how they will vote in the general election, but just 9 percent of respondents said Monday’s debate changed their minds about who they will vote for.

The survey of 1,253 likely voters was conducted online Sept. 26-27. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

The poll quoted above seems to be among the ones with the most merit:

Fox news exec to staff: Online polls ‘not true measures of public opinion’

Fox News’s vice president of public-opinion research sent a memo to staff Wednesday reminding employees that unscientific online polls, which were cited in several segments to suggest that Donald Trump won Monday night’s presidential debate against Hillary Clinton, do not meet the network’s editorial standards.

“As most of the publications themselves clearly state, the sample obviously can’t be representative of the electorate because they only reflect the views of those Internet users who have chosen to participate,” Dana Blanton, Fox News’s vice president of public-opinion research, wrote in the memo to the channel’s politics team, which was obtained by Business Insider’s Oliver Darcy. “Another problem — we know some campaigns/groups of supporters encourage people to vote in online polls and flood the results,” she wrote. “These quickie click items do not meet our editorial standards.”

“News networks and other organizations go to great effort and rigor to conduct scientific polls — for good reason,” Blanton added in the memo, which was sent Tuesday afternoon. “They know quick vote items posted on the web are nonsense, not true measures of public opinion.”

At least three Fox News hosts, including “America’s Newsroom” cohost Martha MacCallum, “Fox & Friends” cohost Brian Kilmeade and “Hannity” host Sean Hannity, referenced online polls on air to suggest that Trump won the debate. Additionally, a story on FoxNews.com reported that online polls found Trump to be the “yuge winner” of the debate. Hannity and Kilmeade referenced online polls in segments that aired after Blanton’s memo was distributed. On Wednesday morning, Trump thanked “Fox & Friends” on Twitter for reporting on the online polls.

Those online poll results are contrary to two scientifically conducted polls — one from CNN/ORC, and the other from POLITICO and Morning Consult — both of which reported that more people thought Clinton won the debate than Trump.

When reached for comment, a Fox News spokesperson noted that Hannity and Kilmeade are on Fox News’s opinion side, and pointed to recent comments where Hannity, a Trump supporter, has said that he is “not a journalist.”

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

Hillary didn’t apologize for starting it. There’s your double standard. Everyone wants Trump to apologize for whatever but not Hillary. Yep, double standard

There isn’t any evidence of Hillary starting this lie. The closest they can come is a staffer that said Obama was Muslim.

At the same time Trump has been Tweeting about Obama’s birth certificate since 2011 multiple times.

At around the time of Hurricane Sandy (that hit New York the state where he resides) he offered to give 1 million dollars to a charity if Barack Obama would release his birth certificate.

What did he do for the incredible amount of displaced New Yorkers? One would think a whole bunch.

NOPE. He kept the atrium in Trump tower opened and gave out coffee and donuts. Trump Tower is located in an area that wasn’t affected by Sandy. What help would it have been for the people downtown and on Staten Island and Queens? They were going to schlep all the way to Trump Tower for a free cup of coffee?

nydailynews.com/news/politics/christie-misspoke-trump-gift-hurricane-sandy-charity-article-1.2716184

 

[Ridgerunner]

There is no evidence (as opposed to innuendo) that Clinton sold her country’s interests for money and she did not start a war all on her own. I know that a lot of people, including Mr. Trump, seem to think that everything was Clinton’s doing single handedly. But she was just Secretary of State, and many other actors were involved in the decisions that were made including the President, the National Security Adviser, our allies in Britain and France, etc.

She’s also not going to make people change their religion. How would she do this even if she wanted to (which I don’t think she does)? It’s not going to happen.

Even Obama admits Libya was a mistake, and it was Hillary Clinton who drew him into it. She SAID we were going to have to change our religion. So what are her methods going to be?

She was instrumental in selling 20% of the U.S. uranium supply to Russia (therefor Iran which gets it from Russia. And she got millions for doing it.

And yet you trust her. To do what? More of the same? So do I, which is why I cannot vote for her.

I also “trust” her to appoint supreme court justices like Ruth Ginsburg, appointed by Bill Clinton, who says the Constitution is “outmoded”, and suggested that the proper age for consent to sex is age 12.

Why do liberals trust her? Because she ensures abortion on demand will be and remain the law of the land, including partial birth abortion which her appointees will undoubtedly reverse Carhart vs. Gonzeles to do.

Truthfully, there is not a single alleged “Democrat principle” she fosters other than abortion on demand. Not one. And perhaps that tells us there are no other Democrat principles.

 

[Maximilan_Kolbe]

Isn’t the wife the victim?

I know some people think it is the wife’s fault if the husband cheats. I personally, I think it is the husband and the person he cheats with, not the wife. Him for having an extra-marital affair, the person he cheats with for being intimately involved with a person that is not their spouse.

Why is it always the wife who gets blamed for the affair? Then if she stays with the husband, she is a chump, if she divorces him, she has destroyed her marriage?

:banghead:

Most of the time, we don’t attack and demean the women involved, especially when accusations of rape are levied.

 

[ProVobis]

Howard Dean owes Trump an apology for suggesting he was on cocaine during the debate! Truly Pathetic!!!

Apparently he got to him. Trump blamed the microphone.

youtube.com/watch?v=FaVPqLI-6yc

Where’s the real explanation?

 

[Maximilan_Kolbe]

The poll quoted above seems to be among the ones with the most merit:

Fox news exec to staff: Online polls ‘not true measures of public opinion’

Fox News’s vice president of public-opinion research sent a memo to staff Wednesday reminding employees that unscientific online polls, which were cited in several segments to suggest that Donald Trump won Monday night’s presidential debate against Hillary Clinton, do not meet the network’s editorial standards.

“As most of the publications themselves clearly state, the sample obviously can’t be representative of the electorate because they only reflect the views of those Internet users who have chosen to participate,” Dana Blanton, Fox News’s vice president of public-opinion research, wrote in the memo to the channel’s politics team, which was obtained by Business Insider’s Oliver Darcy. “Another problem — we know some campaigns/groups of supporters encourage people to vote in online polls and flood the results,” she wrote. “These quickie click items do not meet our editorial standards.”

“News networks and other organizations go to great effort and rigor to conduct scientific polls — for good reason,” Blanton added in the memo, which was sent Tuesday afternoon. “They know quick vote items posted on the web are nonsense, not true measures of public opinion.”

At least three Fox News hosts, including “America’s Newsroom” cohost Martha MacCallum, “Fox & Friends” cohost Brian Kilmeade and “Hannity” host Sean Hannity, referenced online polls on air to suggest that Trump won the debate. Additionally, a story on FoxNews.com reported that online polls found Trump to be the “yuge winner” of the debate. Hannity and Kilmeade referenced online polls in segments that aired after Blanton’s memo was distributed. On Wednesday morning, Trump thanked “Fox & Friends” on Twitter for reporting on the online polls.

Those online poll results are contrary to two scientifically conducted polls — one from CNN/ORC, and the other from POLITICO and Morning Consult — both of which reported that more people thought Clinton won the debate than Trump.

When reached for comment, a Fox News spokesperson noted that Hannity and Kilmeade are on Fox News’s opinion side, and pointed to recent comments where Hannity, a Trump supporter, has said that he is “not a journalist.”

The arguments of who “won” a debate are silly cheerleading from either side. Obama “lost” the first debate with Romney. Mondale “won” the first debate with Reagan.

The only measure of who “won” is the effect the debates have on the overall polls. That’s the only purpose of any debate to begin with. The insistence on trying to prove what amounts to an opinion is silly.

 

[lmachine]

I sold Trump $100,000 worth of pianos. Then he stiffed me.

I was thrilled to get a $100,000 contract from Trump. It was one of the biggest sales I’d ever made. I was supposed to deliver and tune the pianos; the Trump corporation would pay me within 90 days. I asked my lawyer if I should ask for payment upfront, and he laughed. “It’s Donald Trump!” he told me. “He’s got lots of money.”

But when I requested payment, the Trump corporation hemmed and hawed. Its executives avoided my calls and crafted excuses. After a couple of months, I got a letter telling me that the casino was short on funds. They would pay 70 percent of what they owed me. There was no negotiating. I didn’t know what to do — I couldn’t afford to sue the Trump corporation, and I needed money to pay my piano suppliers. So I took the $70,000.

Losing $30,000 was a big hit to me and my family. The profit from Trump was meant to be a big part of my salary for the year. So I made much less. There was no money to help grow my business. I had less pianos in the showroom and a smaller advertising budget. Because of Trump, my store stagnated for a couple of years. It made me feel really bad, like I’d been taken advantage of. I was embarrassed.

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Trump keeps saying that it’s time we got a businessman to run the country. Of course, I think it’s important to find someone who can bolster the economy. But I also think we need a president who cares about small business owners, and about honoring his commitments. That’s not Trump.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

I sold Trump $100,000 worth of pianos. Then he stiffed me.

You can also read about the architect named Andrew Tesoro. There are many, many similar stories.

 

[mary_bobo]

The arguments of who “won” a debate are silly cheerleading from either side. Obama “lost” the first debate with Romney. Mondale “won” the first debate with Reagan.

The only measure of who “won” is the effect the debates have on the overall polls. That’s the only purpose of any debate to begin with. The insistence on trying to prove what amounts to an opinion is silly.

Bravo!

 

[Memaw]

A pile of lies and scandals should add 3 inches to Hillary, at least.

More like 3 feet!!

 

[Memaw]

He wasn’t the only who made that comment.

So you want Dean to apologize, but you won’t tell Trump to apologize for lying about Obama’s birth?

Wow, talk about double standards

Trump wasn’t lying, he was questioning as were many others. To tell you the truth I’m STILL not convinced!!

 

[Memaw]

Back in 2012, the gloom and doomers were predicting that Chinese economy would surpass the US by 2016. Looking at China still lowering their interest rates to stimulate its economy, I would say that that prediction didn’t happen. Of course with another bankruptcy-tainted President, that may change.

The alternative is FAR WORSE!!!