Sure, except that people here were gloating about how Trump had “won” in several unserious online polls. And obviously the perception of the polled public in the two ‘scientific’ polls is that Clinton won. That in turn, like the media’s justified narrative that Clinton won, may have an effect on poll numbers. At the very least, if Clinton did not gain any momentum, it is likely that Trump’s momentum stalled.The arguments of who “won” a debate are silly cheerleading from either side. Obama “lost” the first debate with Romney. Mondale “won” the first debate with Reagan.
The only measure of who “won” is the effect the debates have on the overall polls. That’s the only purpose of any debate to begin with. The insistence on trying to prove what amounts to an opinion is silly.
Well maybe Mr. Trump should apologize to Mrs. Clinton for his surrogate, Rudy Giuliani, saying that she’s “too stupid to be president”.I doubt anyone on here will admit to supporting Dean in 2004. He is as virtuous and noble as a cloned amalgamation Harry Reid, Pinnochio, and Judas.
To think anyone would employ the man after that tweet is galling.
l would agree, primarily because “winning” a debate is not necessarily a good indicator vis a vis demonstrating what it takes to be the best possible president at this moment in time.The arguments of who “won” a debate are silly cheerleading from either side. Obama “lost” the first debate with Romney. Mondale “won” the first debate with Reagan.
The only measure of who “won” is the effect the debates have on the overall polls. That’s the only purpose of any debate to begin with. The insistence on trying to prove what amounts to an opinion is silly.
I’ll have to agree with Trump on one thing. The Fed, chaired by Janet Yellen, is acting politically. It always seems to have.The alternative is FAR WORSE!!!
Thanks for that. Yes, there are eerie similarities. “Willful blindness of others”, yup.
I don’t think Clinton gained or lost any support personally from the debate. She performed as people expected, and that was good and bad depending on how one views her. Trump held his own, which in an of itself lends gravitas to the candidate, according to debate research from first time presidential debaters. He also missed a lot of opportunities, and as such didn’t do as well as he could have. I think that will help drive ratings for the second debate, personally.Sure, except that people here were gloating about how Trump had “won” in several unserious online polls. And obviously the perception of the polled public in the two ‘scientific’ polls is that Clinton won. That in turn, like the media’s justified narrative that Clinton won, may have an effect on poll numbers. At the very least, if Clinton did not gain any momentum, it is likely that Trump’s momentum stalled.
The rise of the far right in Europe as well as the success of Trump over other Rep. nominees is very reminiscent of what was going on prior to WWII. I am terrified that this is history repeating itself.Thanks for that. Yes, there are eerie similarities. “Willful blindness of others”, yup.
I am terrified. I have been since a long time.
Sure. Let’s line up all the hundreds of surrogates from each campaign and have them apologize. That will happen.Well maybe Mr. Trump should apologize to Mrs. Clinton for his surrogate, Rudy Giuliani, saying that she’s “too stupid to be president”.
Yes, Howard Dean was classless with his insinuation.I am amazed at how many posts get posted without a single democrat simply saying “Howard Dean was classless to say that.” Honesty and humility should be central to all of us a Christians, regardless of political persuasion. Instead, we get side stepping and counter accusations. Pretty sad.
So do you also acknowledge that Rudy Guiliani was classless for saying that Mrs. Clinton is “too stupid to be president” and that Republicans should criticize him? Or is it only Democrats that should be criticizing Howard Dean?Sure. Let’s line up all the hundreds of surrogates from each campaign and have them apologize. That will happen.
Or we can simply collectively acknowledge that a former presidential candidate suggesting someone might have a coke habit is classless, in the same way making jones about rape and incest are.
I am amazed at how many posts get posted without a single democrat simply saying “Howard Dean was classless to say that.” Honesty and humility should be central to all of us a Christians, regardless of political persuasion. Instead, we get side stepping and counter accusations. Pretty sad.
Well, I am not a Democrat, but I am certainly very anti-Trump. I have no problem saying that it was classless of Dean to say that. It was base and unfounded. When I first saw it, I assumed he was trying to parody the many Hillary health conspiracies out there. That would have been classless, but now it appears he is serious (or at least pretending to be serious). He should retract and apologize.Sure. Let’s line up all the hundreds of surrogates from each campaign and have them apologize. That will happen.
Or we can simply collectively acknowledge that a former presidential candidate suggesting someone might have a coke habit is classless, in the same way making jones about rape and incest are.
I am amazed at how many posts get posted without a single democrat simply saying “Howard Dean was classless to say that.” Honesty and humility should be central to all of us a Christians, regardless of political persuasion. Instead, we get side stepping and counter accusations. Pretty sad.
Yes, why don’t people learn from history? Willful blindness and/or ignorance must be part of the explanation. I can only hope that the US is simply not white enough that history will repeat itself. If it doesn’t, we will have dodged the bullet narrowly.The rise of the far right in Europe as well as the success of Trump over other Rep. nominees is very reminiscent of what was going on prior to WWII. I am terrified that this is history repeating itself.
I can understand why Dean should apologize for his remarks, Trump for his or Guiliani for his. But the way you used “surrogate” is rhetoric, not substantial.Well maybe Mr. Trump should apologize to Mrs. Clinton for his surrogate, Rudy Giuliani, saying that she’s “too stupid to be president”.
So you would agree with me, that people here on CAF say conservatives are more mature than liberals?Hillary didn’t apologize for starting it. There’s your double standard. Everyone wants Trump to apologize for whatever but not Hillary. Yep, double standard
So, let’s say HRC did start the whole birther issue. Do you give her a pass like your giving Trump? Or does he get the pass but not HRC?Trump wasn’t lying, he was questioning as were many others. To tell you the truth I’m STILL not convinced!!
Absolutely amazing. They’ll rue the day when they realize the congress of the United States is turned into nothing but a debating society under another Clinton administration. The combination of her executive orders and a supreme court constituted to approve them, will be the end of the separation of powers.The Arizona Republic endorses Hillary Clinton
For the first time in its 126-year history, The Arizona Republic has endorsed a Democratic candidate for president.
The paper’s editorial board said Hillary Clinton is “the only choice to move America ahead.”
“Since The Arizona Republic began publication in 1890, we have never endorsed a Democrat over a Republican for president. Never. This reflects a deep philosophical appreciation for conservative ideals and Republican principles,” the paper’s editorial board wrote. “This year is different.”
The editorial said Clinton’s temperament and experience prepare her for office, while it questioned Donald Trump for not releasing his tax returns, asking “whose hand do you want on the nuclear button?”
Clinton has racked up her fair share of nontraditional endorsements from newspapers. Last week, The Cincinnati Enquirer, which noted it had backed Republican candidates for president “for almost a century," also endorsed Clinton. Earlier this month, The Dallas Morning News endorsed the former secretary of state, making her the first Democrat that newspaper has endorsed in over 75 years.