First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread

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Wesrock said:
This. His “temperament” was terrible. He was completley unpresidential. He was unprepared to even answer some obvious challenges (birther, taxes). .
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I am pretty sure if Hillary were asked questions **by the moderator **about the Benghazi deaths, her health, her missing emails etc. she would have been unprepared as well. But she got a pass on those from Lester Holt.

As far as her acting “presidential,” she has had so many more years of acting practice than Trump. First as a lawyer, then as a stand by your man wife, and then as a politician in her own right. If anyone is going to have the phony smile, smug expression and glare look down pat, it’s her.
 
ShrodingersCat said:
Well, that literally is what preparing for a debate involves for every politician.
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She has been involved in multiple one-on-one debates during her life, this was Tump’s first one-on-one debate. Also, as you point out she’s a “politician”. She knows how to speak the political language of somebody that’s been involved in politics for 30+ years.

The next debate will be interesting because that’s a town hall, a different format from this debate.
 
Irishmom2 said:
I am pretty sure if Hillary were asked questions **by the moderator **about the Benghazi deaths, her health, her missing emails etc. she would have been unprepared as well. But she got a pass on those from Lester Holt.

As far as her acting “presidential,” she has had so many more years of acting practice than Trump. First as a lawyer, then as a stand by your man wife, and then as a politician in her own right. If anyone is going to have the phony smile, smug expression and glare look down pat, it’s her.
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I agree!
 
BernadetteM said:
Now we know that Lester Holt is a Democrat. He is not man enough to stand up to NBC as he knows he would lose his job and also his son’s job who works there.

He would not stop Hillary from talking, he let her talk over Trump, she lied several times and looked like the cat that swallowed the canary. Such a smug face. Holt also interrupted Trump constantly so that Trump could not get his thoughts together.

Holt was terrible and I am sure that the others will be the same. I don’t understand why the RNC doesn’t demand that half the moderators are Republicans who are not anti Trump.

Of course Hillary has done this 15 times and has had 8 years to prepare. I have lost all respect for both parties, but for the Democrats more. One of the media said that it seemed she was reading a teleprompter. I felt she looked like a robot and was repeating what had been programed into her.

Whether one likes Trump or not I believe he has a heart and does want the best for the U.S. Hillary just want power and don’t be surprised if we have a dictator after the election. Our country has really gone to pot. I remember when life seemed hopeful and I understand that many are too young to remember the good old days.

Hopefully Trump will reconsider the next debates and set different fair standards for it. I knew this would happen.

Bernadette
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Lester Holt is a registered Republican. 🤷

The questions were not known ahead of time, so how could she be reading from a TelePrompTer? They aren’t small, someone in the audience could have turned their heads and scene it. Trump would have seen it.

Like her or dislike her, she did very well yesterday.
 
The debates seem to have confirms everyone’s biases from what I can tell. Those who support Trump tend to think he won, those who support Clinton think she won. I cannot vote for either one and there was nothing in the debate that made me change my mind.
 
_Abyssinia said:
The next debate will be interesting because that’s a town hall, a different format from this debate.
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Could you briefly explain the difference In format,without my derailing the thread ,Abyssinia?
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Irishmom2 said:
I am pretty sure if Hillary were asked questions **by the moderator **about the Benghazi deaths, her health, her missing emails etc. she would have been unprepared as well. But she got a pass on those from Lester Holt.
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graciew said:
Could you briefly explain the difference In format,without my derailing the thread ,Abyssinia?
Thank you!
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There will be an audience, and the people in the audience will ask questions. The town hall style debate in 2012 was the one where Candy Crowley did that infamous fact check regarding Benghazi. Martha Raddatz and Anderson Cooper will be moderating.

I do think the town style format will suit Trump better than the format of the first debate.
 
_Abyssinia said:
There will be an audience, and the people in the audience will ask questions. The town hall style debate in 2012 was the one where Candy Crowley did that infamous fact check regarding Benghazi. Martha Raddatz and Anderson Cooper will be moderating.

I do think the town style format will suit Trump better than the format of the first debate.
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Thank you!
 
ShrodingersCat said:
I cannot believe that anyone could concieve that Trump won. I would never ever vote for Hillary, but she came across well prepared and had answers to all of the questions that were coherent and didn’t involve her saying ‘there are no jobs’ twenty times in a minute. I felt embarrassed for Trump. And that he came off as more elitist thinking that he’s the greatest thing since sliced bread because he’s a billionaire and that entitles him to be president.

When he leaned into the mic after she accused him of not paying taxes I was sure he would deny it but he said “that’s business”. I nearly choked. And how his tax policy involves cutting taxes for the wealthy? How self serving is that? I’m sorry, I cannot understand how his responses to those two things alone didn’t loose him the debate.

Both candidates got a few good punches in on various issues but I think Hillary recovered from them better.

Holt was obviously going to interrupt Trump more given that Trump kept trying to speak when he wasn’t suposed to. Hillary did it too but Trump was more rude about it. Also Trump refused to answer some questions like the Birther thing so Holt cut across to try and get him to stop waffling.

I guess if you really dislike Clinton it colours your opinion of her. But her ‘smug’ look was probably unavoidable because she knew she didn’t want to be accused of scowling the whole time. She probably practiced her not talking face. Unlike Trump.

Trump’s temperament comment was one of the more ironic moments in the debate for me.

Ultimately it comes down to a candidate that would be terrible for unborn babies (the ultimate no no) or a dude who comes across as embarrassingly unsuited to the job. I would probably vote for trump and feel sick afterwards or vote third party. But I don’t have a vote. I don’t envy you guys your choices this time around.
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Trump was ill prepared for the debate and it was obvious.However,he spoke from his gut and when he was able, got to Hillary.On the surface,in terms of style,HC won.However,her answers were very rehearsed and really just more of the same blah,blah,blah that we have heard from her for years.Nothing new there.I was very let down at first by Trumps’ 'performance.Yet,I think as in the past debates,his message resonated with the voters.The fact is,people have become tone deaf toHC she is old news every way possible.
 
Jeanne_S said:
Trump was ill prepared for the debate and it was obvious.However,he spoke from his gut and when he was able, got to Hillary.On the surface,in terms of style,HC won.However,her answers were very rehearsed and really just more of the same blah,blah,blah that we have heard from her for years.Nothing new there.I was very let down at first by Trumps’ 'performance.Yet,I think as in the past debates,his message resonated with the voters.The fact is,people have become tone deaf toHC she is old news every way possible.
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I think the most amazing moment, IMO, was when HRC was babbling on about cybersecurity and Trump just let it go. He should have hit her hard on that one. Actually, she left herself wide open to what should have been stinging rebuttals from Trump on several issues and there was… nothing. Lots of missed opportunities.

Interesting inclusion of birther questions, but none about pay for play at the Clinton Foundation. I guess Lester Holt learned from Matt Lauer’s mistakes.
 
Jeanne_S said:
Trump was ill prepared for the debate and it was obvious.However,he spoke from his gut and when he was able, got to Hillary.On the surface,in terms of style,HC won.However,her answers were very rehearsed and really just more of the same blah,blah,blah that we have heard from her for years.Nothing new there.I was very let down at first by Trumps’ 'performance.Yet,I think as in the past debates,his message resonated with the voters.The fact is,people have become tone deaf toHC she is old news every way possible.
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I agree with you. I watched with my husband and teen-age son, and they were much happier with him than I was. I kept thinking, he should have included this info, he should have pointed that out, and my menfolk kept talking about what she did or didn’t do. They did not think he did as badly as I did.

I read someone mentioned to lighting: there was a huge difference in how each is permitted to present him- or herself. : she can wear flattering colors, he’s pretty much stuck with grey. She can wear gobs of make-up, he can’t. How did she get to look 30 years younger?

But the way they filmed each of them was very disadvantageous to him too. First, they shot him from further away so he looked smaller than she did. The lighting was very different for each of them: his was very normal but hers was bright and flattering. And her mic was at the right height for her and his was not.
 
Jeanne_S said:
Trump was ill prepared for the debate and it was obvious.However,he spoke from his gut and when he was able, got to Hillary.On the surface,in terms of style,HC won.However,her answers were very rehearsed and really just more of the same blah,blah,blah that we have heard from her for years.Nothing new there.I was very let down at first by Trumps’ 'performance.Yet,I think as in the past debates,his message resonated with the voters.The fact is,people have become tone deaf toHC she is old news every way possible.
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Hillary was also helped out somewhat by the moderator–no surprise from a main stream media person. He interrupted Trump 41 times and Hillary 7 times. She was allowed to talk on and on while he was cut off time and again.
I think he could have done better in this debate but Hillary’s slick, smooth talking proves nothing. We’ve had 8 years of a slick smooth talking president and it’s all empty retoric. I’d rather have someone who speaks from the heart instead of someone who talks out of both sides of her mouth.
 
DeniseNY said:
I think the most amazing moment, IMO, was when HRC was babbling on about cybersecurity and Trump just let it go. He should have hit her hard on that one. Actually, she left herself wide open to what should have been stinging rebuttals from Trump on several issues and there was… nothing. Lots of missed opportunities.

Interesting inclusion of birther questions, but none about pay for play at the Clinton Foundation. I guess Lester Holt learned from Matt Lauer’s mistakes.
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A obvious bias in HC favor for sure.That’s why she could stand there acting very arrogantly and in a condescending manner.I agree Trump missed a lot of opportunities to nail her on her lousy past.but I think voters’ will see through all of that.Everyone is pretty much sick of the Clinton’s.Hillary especially.
 
St_Francis said:
I agree with you. I watched with my husband and teen-age son, and they were much happier with him than I was. I kept thinking, he should have included this info, he should have pointed that out, and my menfolk kept talking about what she did or didn’t do. They did not think he did as badly as I did.

I read someone mentioned to lighting: there was a huge difference in how each is permitted to present him- or herself. : she can wear flattering colors, he’s pretty much stuck with grey. She can wear gobs of make-up, he can’t. How did she get to look 30 years younger?

But the way they filmed each of them was very disadvantageous to him too. First, they shot him from further away so he looked smaller than she did. The lighting was very different for each of them: his was very normal but hers was bright and flattering. And her mic was at the right height for her and his was not.
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Yes,my husband pretty much said the same thing.That I was watching with an emotional eye.😉
 
Did anyone else notice how HC was walking? I detected that she might have been nursing an injury or pain…the walk outside the debate stage and then again to the podium. The walk was similar to what we saw in the recent 9/11 anniversary video…
Given…we have two ‘mature’ presidential candidates…we can expect certain qualities associated with aging. I see this vividly in both HC and Trump.

note: I have an eye for the halting walk of someone with parkinson disease.
 
ShrodingersCat said:
Well, that literally is what preparing for a debate involves for every politician.
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Yeah, that kind of debate will work except in this year, when you have Trump the unconventional candidate. It’s pleasant to hear someone talk like a normal person even if he misses talking points. He comes off as authentic, which Hillary can’t ever dream of doing.
 
Beautiful said:
Did anyone else notice how HC was walking? I detected that she might have been nursing an injury or pain…the walk outside the debate stage and then again to the podium. The walk was similar to what we saw in the recent 9/11 anniversary video…
Given…we have two ‘mature’ presidential candidates…we can expect certain qualities associated with aging. I see this vividly in both HC and Trump.

note: I have an eye for the halting walk of someone with parkinson disease.
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I can’t find the 4-5 second video shot of HC off stage moments before the debate. That is the time the stiff/nurtured gait is very clear.
 
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