First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread

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Yeah, that kind of debate will work except in this year, when you have Trump the unconventional candidate. It’s pleasant to hear someone talk like a normal person even if he misses talking points. He comes off as authentic, which Hillary can’t ever dream of doing.
Yes I found him to be very authentic when he said it might be smart for a possible billionaire to avoid paying taxes at the same time many of his hard working blue collar supporters are working hard just to make ends meet and paying their taxes. I found it to be very telling not only of what he truly thinks of many of his supporters but also of the man he truly is.
 
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Stop the discussion about Obama’s birth, it is off topic to this thread.
 
Are any of them? Snap polling after a debate is meaningless either way. CNN’s poll showed Clinton winning, and had a spread of +15 for Democrats. Really?
“A CNN/ORC poll of debate watchers released after the event found 62% felt Clinton won compared to 27% for Trump. The poll suggests the debate audience was a bit more Democratic than the public as a whole, about on par with the Democratic tilt in the audience that watched the first debate in 2008 between Obama and John McCain.”

cnn.com/2016/09/26/politics/presidential-debate-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/

Actually if the debate audience was a bit more Democratic, that could be a good thing for Clinton. It shows interest among Democrats while up until now the narrative has been less interest among Democrats.
 
What is the claim? I’m not going to read a bunch of articles. It seems from a few titles the claim is he had some business failures. I’m not sure what is unethical about that. Anyone who actually does business has failures.
Well, he can shout and sniff all he wants about how legal it all is and how smart he is, but I wouldn’t expect much support from those I’ve stiffed and insulted, especially in running for public office.
 
Or was the unethical action the claim made by Clinton that he didn’t pay workers? I don’t know the substance of the claim. But Trump seemed to rebut this by suggesting the reason a person wasn’t paid is because they didn’t do the job they were hired for. That is certainly a reasonable claim and is perfectly ethical.
Except when the job was completed, Trump wrote a letter of recommendation for the architect whom Clinton mentioned Trump stiffed. In the letter, Trump praised the man as a man of vision and energy and said that he would recommend him to anyone who needs a top-notch architect for their project.

rawstory.com/2016/09/watch-unpaid-architect-explains-how-trump-lied-and-flattered-his-way-out-of-paying-100k-debt/
 
The CNN poll had 15 % more Democrat than Republican respondents.

So I guess Clinton won, according to Democrats who watched the debate…Shocking!

Any poll that tilts 15% to one party is by definition not representative, and therefore unscientific.
 
Trump was put in a very difficult position by his own campaign group. Also by all the conservatives in media. They kept telling him not to be himself, just let Hillary say whatever and restrain from answering her if it sounded like he was attacking her, as she claims to be a woman and they are equal to men.
Trump should be eternally grateful for that, if he had been let be himself he would have been even worse than he was.

What do you mean by “as she claims to be a woman and they are equal to men”??

She IS a woman, they ARE equal to men, and Hillary WANTED Trump to loose the plot and start attacking her, she was baiting him the whole time.
 
What is Mr. Trump’s impression of the debate?

cnn.com/2016/09/27/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-debate-reaction/index.html

Yes, it was Lester Holt’s fault or the microphone’s fault and Ms. Machado really was fat and the worst Miss Universe contestant ever…:rolleyes:
Trump’s comments about Ms. Machado are disgusting.

Just to clarify this for everyone. Trump insulted the woman, he was called out for it, the woman claimed to have developed eating disorders after the contest and Trump insulted her appearance and CRITICIZED HER WEIGHT. I mean, it’s not as bad as telling a suicidal person that their life really isn’t worth living and they would be better off dead, but it’s along the same lines. Why don’t more people care about this??? :confused:

I can understand people voting for him to keep Hillary out, but the mind boggles how anyone could WANT to vote for this man.
 
But it seems any company can file for bankruptcy if it owes money. A company even with positive cash flows can do it. One can always claim some hardship. There was a change in the bk code under GWB that made things harder for individuals but not corporations. I assume Trump filed for corporate bankruptcy in most of his cases. In one case, he simply didn’t make his interest payment, according to the first article I posted. How many companies can get away with that kind of stiffing?
Any company can file, just as any individual can. But that does not mean relief will be granted. Bankruptcy courts have the power to dismiss cases, and they do. They can also sanction false filings, recommend disbarment of lawyers who file them, and so on. It’s not at all uncommon for a company to file for relief under Chapter 11 if they miss an interest payment, because a missed interest payment can trigger a cascade of adverse creditor actions, and not just the creditor whose interest payment was missed. They can seize accounts, foreclose on assets, notify accounts to pay them instead of the company, shut down credit lines, demand immediate payment of other debts. One of the main functions of bankruptcy courts in Chapter 11 is to prevent the company from “freezing up” despite a good business and cash flow, and ceasing to function because of the actions of one or two creditors, and that’s very commonly the way it starts.

Quite possibly the main cause is when one creditor’s loan is short-term, but the usual treatment of the debt is long-term (i.e., gets “rolled over” routinely) and the creditor suddenly decides to liquidate the debt all at once. Sometimes, creditors who feel secure will even “roll over” interest that’s due, then suddenly decide they’re not secure and require immediate payment of the whole debt.

Companies don’t file Chapter 11 lightly, because, if nothing else, there is always the hazard of a creditors’ committee asking for, and receiving, management of the company. At best the court determines management compensation and requires periodic accountings. Some big and even medium size lenders have “workout teams” trained to take over management. Some will try to get control and turn management over to a company that wants to acquire the one that’s in trouble.

Overly-aggressive creditors are very often the cause of Chapter 11s, and creditors can even file them for a debtor themselves. None of it is a bed of roses. I spent part of my life as a Bankruptcy Examiner, and there are no secrets, nothing that cannot be critiqued, no limits on recommendations to the court to order sale of this, shutting down that. I have a friend who is a “Receiver” who gets hired by creditors’ committees to take over management of companies that file Chapter 11. “Examiners” and “Receivers” often act in concert, and it can be miserable for the debtor.

You don’t do it lightly.
 
The best analysis of the debate I’ve seen is by John C. Wright, here:
My opinion, in case anyone should ask, is that Donald Trump won the debate against Lester Holt on points, but that on overall appearance and comportment, Trump did not win.
That is, everything Trump said was correct, but how he said it seemed undignified and unbecoming of someone running for high office.
I believe Secretary Clinton was also present to aid Mr. Holt in his debate with Mr. Trump, but her contribution was minimal.
Her contribution was more comedy relief, as when she called on Trump to release his income tax records in order to show to whom he is indebted for political favors.
Coming from her, the empty-headed and empty-souled sockpuppet of overseas interests and Wall Street banks, the question of who owns a politician should have been the last one to raise.
Donald Trump has grown on me. My enthusiasm for him at first was entirely minimal and perfunctory, in that I was willing reluctantly to vote for him for the same reason I was willing to vote for Sarah Palin’s running mate, out of party loyalty.
But his speeches after he was nominated have addressed so many issues of paramount importance to me, issues no other Republican has dared touch, and in each case he spoke exactly what needed to be said, my support has blossomed into vehement loyalty.
His pre-nomination presentation was folksy, clumsy, and he interrupted himself and left sentences and thought unfinished. His post-nomination presentation was more presidential, polished and professional.
Last night, I saw the return of his pre-nomination awkwardness.
So my enthusiasm flagged somewhat seeing his performance at this debate. He seemed confused and unprofessional. Several times his debate opponent, Lester Holt, uttered a misleading halftruth or even an outright lie, which Mr. Trump did not correct. I hope Mr. Trump will be more aggressive against his opponents, the news media, in the next debate against them.
Also, I am hoping that the Disney animatronic robot MEET MR LINCOLN will be debating against him, since the Hillary sneering robot needs to be recalled to the factory to have more “You are a deplorable racist” accusation circuits installed and tuned. She did not make that accusation often enough, and it is the sole argument the Democrat Party has in its arsenal: the party of Jefferson Davis, Nathan Bedford Forrest, Jim Crow, George Wallace, Orval Faubus, Bull Connor, William Fulbright, Exalted Cyclops Al Gore Sr. and Grand Kleagle Robert Byrd.
scifiwright.com/2016/09/first-presidential-debate/
 
“A CNN/ORC poll of debate watchers released after the event found 62% felt Clinton won compared to 27% for Trump. The poll suggests the debate audience was a bit more Democratic than the public as a whole, about on par with the Democratic tilt in the audience that watched the first debate in 2008 between Obama and John McCain.”

cnn.com/2016/09/26/politics/presidential-debate-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/

Actually if the debate audience was a bit more Democratic, that could be a good thing for Clinton. It shows interest among Democrats while up until now the narrative has been less interest among Democrats.
That CNN/ORC poll is completely unrepresentative of the electorate in terms of the makeup of that poll, unless somehow Democrats will increase their turnout advantage to over double what it was in 2012, so from +6 in 2012 to +15 in 2016, and I seriously doubt that will be the case.
 
Michael Barone makes some good points here:
Did Donald Trump deconstruct Hillary Clinton with marginal voters?
washingtonexaminer.com/did-donald-trump-deconstruct-hillary-clinton-with-marginal-voters/article/2603043?custom_click=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

If what Trump said last night sticks with the undecided voters, he may have hurt Clinton. Trump painted Clinton as part of the establishment, not part of change. And that may have an impact. Read the article, it isn’t that long

Brzezinski said the same this morning on Morning Joe (video)
realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/09/27/brzezinski_i_wouldnt_be_surprised_if_trumps_poll_numbers_go_up_after_first_debate.html
 
Trump’s comments about Ms. Machado are disgusting.

Just to clarify this for everyone. Trump insulted the woman, he was called out for it, the woman claimed to have developed eating disorders after the contest and Trump insulted her appearance and CRITICIZED HER WEIGHT. I mean, it’s not as bad as telling a suicidal person that their life really isn’t worth living and they would be better off dead, but it’s along the same lines. Why don’t more people care about this??? :confused:

I can understand people voting for him to keep Hillary out, but the mind boggles how anyone could WANT to vote for this man.
I don’t know how it compares to all the women who claimed Bill Clinton assaulted them and he was president for 8 years. Trump is accused of name calling.
 
“Well, I’m starting to think that people are much more focused now on the economy,” Trump said. “They’re getting a little bit tired of hearing ‘We’re going in, we’re not going in.’ Whatever happened to the days of Douglas MacArthur? Either do it or don’t do it.”
Trump continued: “Perhaps he shouldn’t be doing it yet. And perhaps we should be waiting for the United Nations.”
Where is Mr. Trump’s opposition? He says, “Either do it or don’t do it.” And then says, "Perhaps he shouldn’t be doing it yet. And perhaps we should be waiting for the United Nations.”

“Perhaps” does not sound like very solid opposition, especially since he had just said, “Either do it or don’t do it” which sounds rather non-committal, one way or the other. His whole statement sounds kind of wishy washy. It’s not a whole lot better than "Yeah, I guess so” from the year before.
 
I don’t know how it compares to all the women who claimed Bill Clinton assaulted them and he was president for 8 years. Trump is accused of name calling.
that this was even considered substantive material for a presidential debate ,shows how desperate HC is.So many more important issues facing our Nation and this is what they consider important:rolleyes:
 
Tough one for Mr. Trump. Maybe next time!!! 😃 But probably not! :eek:

Can’t wait to join my fellows in electing Secretary Clinton to be our next President…👍
 
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