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Joab_Anias said:
The meaning of the word Catholic is Universal as you seem to indicate knowing.

There is no partial universalism else it wouldn’t be universal at all.

Peace.
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Yes, the word “catholic” does in fact mean universal

2: comprehensive, universal; especially : broad in sympathies, tastes, or interests

I don’t think I was attempting any play on truth. As far as I know Orthodox do not see themselves as part of the Catholic Church in union with the Pope. Thus, there use of “catholic” would be different than the standard Roman/Eastern Catholic without taking away from the claims of both (Orthodox & Catholic) to being theUniversal Church. Who actually is the universal church has been hotly debated for centuries and I was not claiming a spot in that debate.
 
JMJ_coder said:
Proselytizing/Bad - Do not do:
Your Church is full of idiots. You’re all corrupt and idolaters. You cannot possibly be saved. You have ruined the world. How dare you continue to exist! Unless you convert to name of religion here you are surely doomed to eternal torment!

A little on the extreme side, but you get the point (I hope).
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I recall nothing of that sort uttered on this forum in the past though, so why the change?
 
RPConover said:
Apparently according to the purpose statement, Eastern Catholics are allowed a forum solely to educate Roman Catholics on the exotic qualities of their Catholic Faith. How much more recognition of their second-class citizenship in the Catholic Church is necessary?
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I made a thread on the suggestion. It’s a poll calling forth an Eastern Orthodox Forum on CAF. I hope to get a vote enough and petition it to the moderator.

Do you favor an Eastern Orthodox Forum on CAF?
 
JMJ_coder said:
This is how I see the difference.

Evangelizing/Sharing the Faith/This is Good:
I believe that xyz doctrine is true because 1. Church Father quotes 2. Council extracts 3. my Church’s teaching, etc.

The logic of this doctrine is:

I think your view is in error for these reasons 1. - 2. - 3.

Proselytizing/Bad - Do not do:
Your Church is full of idiots. You’re all corrupt and idolaters. You cannot possibly be saved. You have ruined the world. How dare you continue to exist! Unless you convert to name of religion here you are surely doomed to eternal torment!

A little on the extreme side, but you get the point (I hope).
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Does Therese Martin agree with this distinction? If so, then I wonder why there was a need to do away with the old forum (i.e. couldn’t a separate forum for discussing Eastern Catholicism have been created without deleting the forum discussing Orthodoxy?). The above strikes me as a distinction about rudeness (i.e. even the first example, though polite, fits my definition of proselytizing to some degree), and if it was only about rudeness, perhaps it would have been better to delete posts or ban certain posters than to delete an entire forum that many found valuable.
 
Mannyfit75 said:
I made a thread on the suggestion. It’s a poll calling forth an Eastern Orthodox Forum on CAF. I hope to get a vote enough and petition it to the moderator.
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Um, yeah, that poll thread has been closed. Is one vote enough? It seems the sole response to your post indicated that the answer is no, you did not manage to get enough votes before the poll thread was closed.
 
Hello,
NewAbdalMaseeh said:
Does Therese Martin agree with this distinction? If so, then I wonder why there was a need to do away with the old forum (i.e. couldn’t a separate forum for discussing Eastern Catholicism have been created without deleting the forum discussing Orthodoxy?). The above strikes me as a distinction about rudeness (i.e. even the first example, though polite, fits my definition of proselytizing to some degree), and if it was only about rudeness, perhaps it would have been better to delete posts or ban certain posters than to delete an entire forum that many found valuable.
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I don’t know. Like I said in the post, that is how I view the distinction. Whether the moderators share that view, I cannot say.
 
Hello,

I do hope that our Orthodox brethren do stick around, as they are a wealth of information.
 
Well, I’ve been looking for a red hot forum, and I guess I found it.

… this forum is for Latin Catholics to learn about Eastern Catholicism and any posts by non-Catholics must be in compliance with that purpose. No matter how true I think Orthodoxy is, posting pro-Orthodox materials seems to be against the stated purpose of the forum. I can’t see it going over well with the management

It is stupid to stifle straight-up information about religions competing with Roman Catholicism. All that ever did was ratchet up the interest in those religions in this Roman Catholic. Then, when you learn that these religions actually have something to say, the RC resents the Church withholding that information. What do they have to hide? some of us wonder.

Nasty viciousness and attacks, however, are out of place here. This forum was created by RCs and largely funded by RCs. I, for one, question when my tax money is used to uphold some person or policy that I find hateful.

We still share much in common, more than enough to talk about in a peaceful manner. Peace. (Joab Anias)

Amen. And yet we have to face the facts that filioque was introduced to the creed without the (name removed by moderator)ut of the Eastern half of the Church, and that the Pope’s viable claim to be “first among equals” does not equate, in the Orthodox mind, into supreme temporal authority overruling councils of bishops.

Again I will ask, how can any answer by us not be construed as proselytizing or evangelism? Please show me how this is accomplished.(StMarkEofE)

Mark, get real. It can be done.

I am reminded of Lady Jane Grey, for 9 days Queen of England until beheaded for her dissension from RCism. In the movie with Helena Bonham Carter, she was diplomatic in describing her Protestant faith: “It is our belief that…” She was martyred for her beliefs, but for political reasons not indiscrete conveyance of those beliefs. She did not proselytize, but led by example and there were converts born of her martyrdom.
 
NewAbdalMaseeh said:
I am in agreement with you, but the problem I see is that, at present, there is no more forum for Eastern Orthodoxy. In other words, I agree that it is a good idea to have a forum dedicated to learning about Eastern rites in Catholicism, and I like the idea of sub-forums in the non-Catholic section. But at present no sub-forum exists. And worse, post #40 in this thread gave me the strong impression that the Orthodox are not welcome in the non-Catholic forum either if they are going to actually try to defend their positions. I agree with RPConover to a small degree that this looks like something along the lines of a ‘virtual ban’.
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I think that’s the difference they’re trying to make. Charity and rudeness, not that Orthodox were posting.

I don’t know why Catholic Answers would have a board dedicated to supporting Orthodoxy. Would you expect to find a pro-Eastern Catholic board on an Orthodox forum? But there’s no reason there shouldn’t be continuing discussion between the Churches! Move it to Non-Catholic Religions and Apologetics. Let the posts speak for themselves. If you have nothing to hide and feel that the concern about charity wasn’t for you, then you should have nothing to worry about.
 
NewAbdalMaseeh said:
I am in agreement with you, but the problem I see is that, at present, there is no more forum for Eastern Orthodoxy. In other words, I agree that it is a good idea to have a forum dedicated to learning about Eastern rites in Catholicism, and I like the idea of sub-forums in the non-Catholic section. But at present no sub-forum exists. And worse, post #40 in this thread gave me the strong impression that the Orthodox are not welcome in the non-Catholic forum either if they are going to actually try to defend their positions. I agree with RPConover to a small degree that this looks like something along the lines of a ‘virtual ban’.
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Response:

You hit the nail on the head. I just received the following email from St MarkEofE -

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This is the private email he received from the moderator:

Your account has been locked for the following reason:
Violation of new EC forum rules
This change will be lifted: Never

This is the message I got as a parting shot by the moderator.

St MarkEofE

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Since he has been the least controversal of all of us, this proves this is nothing more than a ploy to try and eleminate us from the forum unless or until we agree to abide by rules that restrict us from defending our faith or giving our side of any given story.

Because of this, and the explusion of St Mark, and the fact that where my religious beliefs are concerned, I refuse to be a puppet to such a violation of religious freedom of speech, I will be leaving this forum. I’m sure this will make some people happy as well what others have been hoping for. It is only a matter of time I receive a note similiar to the one above anyway.

I will however, lurk from time to time. It will be interesting to see how successful this new forum will be without Orthodox Catholic participation. Because if we who are Orthodox Catholic leave it will be the prime responsibility of those Eastern Catholics in union with the pope to expalin their faith and what they are required to believe to those in the Latin Rite. Lots of luck on that one!

Only time will tell just how successful this new forum will be without our participation.

God Bless all of you! It was enjoyable while it lasted.

Orthodoc
 
tizzidale said:
It’s fun to see the instant skirting of the new rules and wishes of the forum’s creators. Let’s see how many other ways we can be good little dissenters . . .
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Well, it was indeed a surprise to come back and find these major changes.

Since this is now a Forum for Eastern Catholics, the place for us Orthodox is, I suppose, in the Non-Catholic Religions section of the Forum.

Don’t take it so hard, my brothers and sisters. Up until two years ago the Non-Catholic Religions section was our place so in a sense we are simply returning there.

Since there has been a lot of sensitivity and thought given to the creation of this new Eastern Catholic Forum I implore the Orthodox to respect that. Please don’t post here with anything other than issues involving the sui juris Eastern Catholic Churches, and especially do not get involved in anything controversial. Anything else particular to Orthodoxy should obviously be taken to the Non-Catholic Religions Forum.

It is true that the former Eastern Christianity Forum had become our preserve. This was not our “fault.” It happened by default because of the paucity of Eastern Catholic contributors. But with the creation of this new Forum specifically for Eastern Catholic issues they have their opportunity to make their contribution.

If this new Forum becomes, as the old one was, simply discussion between the Orthodox and Roman Catholics, then it has failed in its purpose. So, Orthodox, please hold off, and let the Eastern Catholic brethren take their place in this Forum.

Hope that you are all OK and will adjust to the rearrangement of the Forums. I do mourn the demise of the Eastern Christianity Forum but… “Nothing remains immutable upon this earth.”

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RPConover said:
With all due respect, the whole thing seems sort of cowardly to me. Eastern Catholics are supposed to be “Orthodox in communion with Rome” but apparently the posts of Orthodox Christians NOT in communion with Rome are so scary as to necessitate a virtual ban. Recently the most trouble was being caused by Latin Catholics who came into the forum on horseback wielding swords. So it goes, right?

This forum is essentially now dead.
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Eastern Catholics are supposed to be “Orthodox in communion with Rome” but…
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Haha, do you imagine this forum to be a miniature representation of the Church and its relationships with all other Churches? You know this is just a website right? Or is this going to be a mini Schism?

“We are no longer in Communion with Catholic Answers!” 😃
(all kinda jokes)
 
I think your view that this is a virtual ban is a matter of your position in promoting Eastern Orthodox Christianity. This is supposed to be a Catholic Forum and thus this move actually makes a lot of sense to me. I call it a support forum for Catholics learning their faith.
 
Woodstock said:
I don’t know why Catholic Answers would have a board dedicated to supporting Orthodoxy.
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Of course they should not have a board specifically dedicated to defending a non-Catholic faith. But, being that one of the primary values of the Catholic Answers site is the contribution it makes to apologetics, I think the forum should have sections where Catholics can freely debate challengers. In other words, a forum where there is relatively free discussion. Now, certain non-Catholic or anti-Catholic groups (e.g. Jehovah’s Witnesses, Black Israelites, et cetera) should not get their own (sub)forum if their contribution is small. But in the case of rival faith communities which have a substantial number of posters to this forum, they should have their own (sub)forum. There are many discussions that have taken place on the difference between Orthodoxy/Catholicism, and many more can take place. It just makes more sense to keep them in one folder together, rather than having to sort through a single non-catholic forum, trying to find posts on Orthodoxy in a sea of posts about Islam and Born Again Fundamentalism.

That being said, I think MagicSilence’s post on this subject was interesting:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=196641
 
vocatio said:
I think your view that this is a virtual ban is a matter of your position in promoting Eastern Orthodox Christianity. This is supposed to be a Catholic Forum and thus this move actually makes a lot of sense to me. I call it a support forum for Catholics learning their faith.
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At least two different people employed the phrase “virtual ban”. Could you be more clear as to whom you were responding?
 
Charlie_Zeaiter said:
By the way, if we want to ask a question about Orthodox, where do we post the question? Here, or in the Non-Catholic Religions forum?
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IMHO, it would go to the Non-Catholic Religions Section. If the Orthodox answered questions on Orthodoxy in this Forum it would be off topic. If there were too many such questions and answers this new Forum would loose any Eastern Catholic atmosphere - not to mention the Orthodox could be banned for breaking the rules.
 
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