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JMJ_coder said:
Hello,

I hope I wasn’t one of them. :o
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I don’t think so. I don’t post too often but I spend much more time than I should reading the posts here. I won’t name names, but on both sides of the fence there are people who without fail almost immediately jump to snide, sarcastic remarks when defending their faith and yet decry the use of the same by the other side as “polemics” and “proselytizing.” No one seems to be able to see the log in his own eye. If we can get rid of those attitudes I think the EC forum would be a much better place. 🤷
 
Speaking of banned I wonder if we’ll be seeing Orthodoc and StMarkEofE around anymore…
 
Hello,

I’m glad that some catholics see it as a good change; however, I’m sad that the Orthodox may feel that they don’t have a place here anymore…

I think that the old Eastern Christianity was a great sub-forum despite the presence of arguments. I personally think that to bring some order and peace doesn’t mean to shut down someone from expressing himself/herself, but maybe this is the only solution…

Good luck!

God bless,
Stefania
 
angelheart said:
Hello,

I’m glad that some catholics see it as a good change; however, I’m sad that the Orthodox may feel that they don’t have a place here anymore…

I think that the old Eastern Christianity was a great sub-forum despite the presence of arguments. I personally think that to bring some order and peace doesn’t mean to shut down someone from expressing himself/herself, but maybe this is the only solution…

Good luck!

God bless,
Stefania
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My thinking is that even if the discussion got heated sometimes, at least there was some kind of a common universe of discourse. A Catholic and an Orthodox talking about the nature of the Church could at least be sure that the other party believed in a visible Church (or sacraments, or the veneration of the Theotokos, or liturgy, or whatever). Moving Catholic-Orthodox dialogue into the non-Catholic forum with Protestants and non-Christians who have little to nothing in common with Catholicism or Orthodoxy seems misplaced.
 
wynd said:
My thinking is that even if the discussion got heated sometimes, at least there was some kind of a common universe of discourse. A Catholic and an Orthodox talking about the nature of the Church could at least be sure that the other party believed in a visible Church (or sacraments, or the veneration of the Theotokos, or whatever). Moving Catholic-Orthodox dialogue into the non-Catholic forum with Protestants and non-Christians who have little to nothing in common with Catholicism or Orthodoxy seems misplaced.
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It might bring a few of them to the Apostolic faith! 😛
 
wynd said:
You are probably going to get banned if you keep it up. You/we should probably just find another home.
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There is no doubt that it is now difficult for us Orthodox to participate without the danger of denying our faith. For the purpose of this Forum the Moderator has made the decision that we are defined as non-Catholics and she has affirmed this decision several times.

This puts us in a bind since at the Liturgy and at morning prayers we proclaim that we are members of the “One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.”

I am not sure how far and under what circumstances we can deny that without denying Christ and His Church. And does our participation here constitute such a denial? We need a couple of theologians (not me!) to decide on this.

Therese, I am not questioning your right to decide the running of the Forum. That’s a given. I am just wondering whether Orthodox can participate here without sinning against their own self-understanding.
 
NewAbdalMaseeh said:
At least two different people employed the phrase “virtual ban”. Could you be more clear as to whom you were responding?
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I saw someone use the term “virtual ban”. I’m not sure why it matters, but I merely say that describing this move by CAF as a
“virtual ban” is not as accurate as saying it’s more like CAF tolerated a non-Catholic or even anti-Catholic ranting on a site that was probably intended to help educate US, Latin Catholics, about the Eastern Church. I wasn’t here when it was formed in the beginning…I was still playing Protestant trying to convert all of you poor lost souls.😃 :o

I’m partial to the Eastern Rite in that it’s very new and facinating to me. I’ve made this clear on many forums and posts. But this is a Catholic website. They have a right to promote their own faith and agenda…Catholicism in communion with Rome.
 
Fr. Ambrose,
This is a question that I’ve failed to ask or haven’t seen yet.

Do you or should I say the Orthodox Church view us, Latin and Eastern Catholics [you know what I mean], as “CATHOLIC”?
 
vocatio said:
Fr. Ambrose,
This is a question that I’ve failed to ask or haven’t seen yet.

Do you or should I say the Orthodox Church view us, Latin and Eastern Catholics [you know what I mean], as “CATHOLIC”?
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Dear Vocatio,

I am really not sure if I have the right to make an answer to that on this Forum.
 
vocatio said:
Fr. Ambrose,
This is a question that I’ve failed to ask or haven’t seen yet.

Do you or should I say the Orthodox Church view us, Latin and Eastern Catholics [you know what I mean], as “CATHOLIC”?
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Fr_Ambrose said:
Dear Vocatio,

I am really not sure if I have the right to make an answer to that on this Forum.
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What do the Orthodox say about the Catholic Church? I’d say that sounds like an excellent topic for Non-Catholic Religions. I look forward to joining you!
 
cascherman said:
They’re punishing us Romans. I find it an interesting question as well.
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The Orthodox are at sixes and sevens at the moment, and trying to discern if they have a place here. The theological determination that we are not permitted to call ourselves Catholics on the Forum has already caused consternation and I have had two messages on the topic. I referred them to their parish priests to ask him if they may continue to participate without sinning. I shall have to make the same determination in my own case.

Apart from that (and it is the major concern) we are simply unsure what topics are within the parameters of the new Forum and which should be discussed on other Forums.
 
Maybe the Orthodox on these forums should petition the administrators to get the Orthodox forums back,if not soon,then later,so the ban will just be a temporary disciplinary action for us.
 
Fr_Ambrose said:
The Orthodox are at sixes and sevens at the moment, and trying to discern if they have a place here.

Apart from that (and it is the major concern) we are simply unsure what topics are within the parameters of the new Forum and which should be discussed on other Forums.
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Hello Dear Fr.

You have always had a place here and still do.

It is not Catholics who choose not to be in communion with the Orthodox institution. You are always invited and welcome.

Peace.

I am praying for your discernment intentions.
 
Fr. Ambros,
Then feel free to PM me via other forum if necessary. This distinction was already brought up and “defined” by those in control. I actually believe the forum change is the right move though. Take your arguements to the apologetics forum thread instead of here. Maybe a subthread will come about in time. It makes more sense to be covered there since you are not Catholic [to use the given definition even though I do not see it that way]. I’m not sure how knowledgeable the moderators are on the subject now that they’ve backed you into a corner like this. But it is a communion with Rome issue site. And a dialogue is a good idea, but it must become much more charitable than what I’ve experienced. We all need to learn to hold our tongues on the insults. Throwing out feelings without thinking about how offended others become lacks tact and charity.

Somewhere in the mix between talking about our wafer and sacred liver I think is how it was put, I missed the charitable dialogue. And now one of your well know friends calling the Pope the Anti-Christ. I really have issues now with how charitable Orthodoxy can be. It most certainly does not seem to be serving the Orthodox well to argue with such hostility. Is this normal or is it just online Orthodox?
 
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“It is not Catholics who choose not to be in communion with the Orthodox institution. You are always invited and welcome.”

I am RC myself, but please forgive me if I differ with you. The original “choice” of the two halves of the Church to split was mutual, and it remains split by choice. Intercommunion is impossible for both sides as long as we are split as we are, differing as we do on such theological issues as filioque; we cannot be united sacramentally when we are disunited on issues as basic as the nature of the Trinity.

In addition, by referring to the Orthodox Church as “the Orthodox institution,” you are - in my mind - invoking the rhetorical method of Jack Chick, belittling an Apostolic and God-founded church as if it were nothing more founded in God’s law than a Fortune 500 company.
 
Read Climbing the Mountain: Discovering Your Path To Holiness by Anne, a lay apostle. I think you’ll find this better than arguing.😃
 
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