Fla.'s 'Father Oprah' joins Episcopal Church

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Raffles and church bazaars are gambling. It’s using a vice to raise money for the church.
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Raffles are not gambling. It’s giving charity to the church with a possibility of winning a prize. Kind of like the collection plate with some added excitement. People are not wagering as you do in gambling, they are paying a set amount for a certain number of tickets to be drawn for a prize. A bazaar includes, food, games and sometimes a thrift shop. Where is the gambling in kids playing carnival games and parents shopping for second hand items with proceeds benefitting the Church? Makes me wonder if you’ve ever been to a church festival or if you’ve just read some anti-Catholic article.
What made the early church Catholic? Catholics have celibate priests, communion of saints, the rosary, the mass. The early Christians didn’t have those things so what made them Catholic?
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St. Paul was celibate and he modeled his celibacy on Christ. Can you tell me what is un-Christian about modeling oneself on Christ? And on our future state in Heaven? For the rest please go to www.scripturecatholic.com. By the way, please stop pretending you are Catholic when you are definitely a Protestant. It doesn’t add anything to your arguments to be deceitful. I think you get your information from Jack Chick booklets.
 
ron77nyc said:
I think we are drifting from my original question. Is it OK to use gambling to raise money for the church?
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Yes. But, more importantly than that, you should really post your “original question” in its own thread on another part of the forum. It certainly has nothing to do with Fr. Cutie’s joining of the Episcopal Church.
 
ron77nyc said:
I think we are drifting from my original question. Is it OK to use gambling to raise money for the church?
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I think that’s a good idea. Since you and I both know that Jesus had no problem with moderate wine drinking.
 
rlg94086 said:
Sounds like your monsignor and/or pastoral council made that decision, but it doesn’t mean that it is a Church stance. Please post something from your monsignor stating that alcohol at Church events is wrong according to the Church. While you are at it, ask him to write something explaining how the Church is opposed to raffles and bingo because gambling is a vice.

If you can produce such statements, I will at least understand where your instruction is coming from. Otherwise, it is pretty clear that you don’t understand Church teaching. The sinner who has a problem with gambling should avoid occasion of sin (i.e. don’t go to or participate in the raffle), but there is no prohibition of a Church having a raffle or other fundraiser.
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My instruction is coming from my consciece. “Do not be conformed to this world.”

I now understand from what you posted that the Church approves of gambling. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
DeoSalvatoreMeo said:
I think that’s a good idea. Since you and I both know that Jesus had no problem with moderate wine drinking.
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No he did not and I never said he did. I compared gambling for church profit to a swimsuit competition. Someone else threw in drinking and eating with that.

So do you think Jesus or Peter would approve of gambling to raise money for the Church?
 
ron77nyc said:
My instruction is coming from my consciece. “Do not be conformed to this world.”

I now understand from what you posted that the Church approves of gambling. Thanks for clearing that up.
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OK, are you finished with your adolescent petulance? How about posting your own thread, instead of hijacking this one. Look above, the topic is not church festivals.
 
rlg94086 said:
Yes. But, more importantly than that, you should really post your “original question” in its own thread on another part of the forum. It certainly has nothing to do with Fr. Cutie’s joining of the Episcopal Church.
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Ok back to Fr. Cutie. What’s worse: an honest guy who says I can no longer be celibate or a bishop who gets promoted for hiding a scandal?
 
ron77nyc said:
No he did not and I never said he did. I compared gambling for church profit to a swimsuit competition. Someone else threw in drinking and eating with that.

So do you think Jesus or Peter would approve of gambling to raise money for the Church?
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Again, you refer to a raffle as gambling. It’s not gambling to give a charitable donation to the church to buy tickets and possibly win a prize. The fact that you are characterizing something as “gambling” that is a raffle makes this discussion silly. Why is it difficult for you to be honest in your dialogue? And by the way, you don’t need to say that, it is clear from the Bible that drinking wine in moderation is OK.
 
ron77nyc said:
Ok back to Fr. Cutie. What’s worse: an honest guy who says I can no longer be celibate or a bishop who gets promoted for hiding a scandal?
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Both are wrong. And by the way, a man with integrity would not make his statement about wanting to date a woman by rolling on the beach the semi-nude woman in public. Just a thought. A man with integrity would privately meet with his bishop to discuss his desires.
 
DeoSalvatoreMeo said:
OK, are you finished with your adolescent petulance? How about posting your own thread, instead of hijacking this one. Look above, the topic is not church festivals.
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You did the evasive thing. Do you think Jesus or Peter would approve of gambling in the Church?
 
ron77nyc said:
You did the evasive thing. Do you think Jesus or Peter would approve of gambling in the Church?
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Why are you asking me that? I know of no gambling at a Catholic Church so the question has no real-world relevance. Jesus and ST. Peter would have no problem with charitable donations at a church with the possibility of winning a prize.
 
DeoSalvatoreMeo said:
Both are wrong. And by the way, a man with integrity would not make his statement about wanting to date a woman by rolling on the beach with a semi-nude woman in public. Just a thought. A man with integrity would privately meet with his bishop to discuss his desires.
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I think he did that. Why is Fr. Cutie so much more upsetting than the cover ups? Why is there more mercy for the dishonest?
 
ron77nyc said:
Well isn’t it providing an occasion of sin to a person with a gambling problem? With that logic we could have a swimsuit model competition or a beauty pageant and it would be OK as long as you don’t cheat on your wife.
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I think you are reaching too far with this…How is it the Church’s fault if the person of their own free will went to play bingo? It is providing an occassion of sin if YOU as the person bring yourself to that environment knowing you have a problem.

Talk about taking away the responsibility of the person and finding yet again another way to blame the Church. :rolleyes:

And the beauty pageant analogy is… not even going to comment.
 
DeoSalvatoreMeo said:
Why are you asking me that? I know of no gambling at a Catholic Church so the question has no real-world relevance. Jesus and ST. Peter would have no problem with charitable donations at a church with the possibility of winning a prize.
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That’s a nicer way of describing it.

I witnessed a **** table at a church bazaar with a 2 dollar limit and the guy rolling the dice was doubling and tripling his bets.
 
ron77nyc said:
I think he did that. Why is Fr. Cutie so much more upsetting than the cover ups? Why is there more mercy for the dishonest?
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Are you unable to hold two thoughts at the same time? I think it’s possible to be upset about the scandal caused by Cutie and by the scandal of a few years ago with priestly abuse. But maybe that’s just me…
 
Yes indeed you cannot serve 2 masters…:tsktsk:, that what father Cutie is doing, He will regret his actions. Lord have mercy on him!!! Kirie eleison!!!
 
DeoSalvatoreMeo said:
Are you unable to hold two thoughts at the same time? I think it’s possible to be upset about the scandal caused by Cutie and by the scandal of a few years ago with priestly abuse. But maybe that’s just me…
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A few? How about 60 years and counting?
 
ron77nyc said:
I witnessed a **** table at a church bazaar with a 2 dollar limit and the guy rolling the dice was doubling and tripling his bets.
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I personally have never been to a church festival with anything other than raffle tickets. But going with your comments about this topic that has nothing to do with the Cutie Scandal:

From the Catechism:

“Games of chance (card games, etc.) or wagering are not in themselves contrary to justice. They become morally unacceptable when they deprive someone of what is necessary to provide for his needs and those of others. The passion of gambling risks becoming an enslavement.”

If you can show me where in the Bible it says gambling is a sin, then do.
 
ron77nyc said:
A few? How about 60 years and counting?
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Yes, that was news a few years ago. If you can show me news reports about it 60 years ago, then do. I wasn’t aware of priestly abuse scandal coverage in the media in the 1940s.
 
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