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I’m so grateful for your references, Shin. These are invaluable resourses for those of us who need to grow in our devotion to praying for the Holy Priesthood, especially as we approach the Jubilee of the Priesthood, as declared by His Holiness Pope Benedict VI on the Feast of the Sacred Heart of Jesus! It is also the 150th anniversary of the birth of St.John Mary Vianney the holy Cure of Ars!
We should all pray earnestly for his intercession for our lost priests, and for holy vocations. Our Lady, Queen and Mother of all hearts, draw your priest sons back to Your Holy Son, for a New Springtime in the Church!
PRAY FOR THE HOLY PRIESTHOOD!!
MAKE HOLY HOURS FOR OUR PRIESTS!!
LOVE YOUR PRIESTS!!!
The Cure of Ars is truly wonderful is he not? 🙂 If only we had a few, even a very few parish priests like him today!

‘Alas, my friend. We cannot be together in Heaven unless we have begun to live so in this world. Death makes no change in that. As the tree falls, so shall it lie. . . Jesus Christ said . . . “He that does not hear the Church, let him be to thee as a heathen and a publican.” And he also said, “There shall be one fold and one shepherd,” and He made St. Peter the chief shepherd of His flock. My dear friend, there are not two ways of serving Jesus Christ. There is only one good way, and that is to serve Him as He Himself desires to be served.’

‘The number of saved is as few as the number of grapes left after the vineyard pickers have passed.’

‘Go to the cemetary and see what you love, when you love your body.’

‘See, my children, how sin degrades man; of an angel created to love God it makes a demon who will curse Him for all eternity. Ah! If Adam, our first father, had not sinned, and if we did not sin every day, how happy we should be! We should be as happy as the saints in heaven. There would be no more unhappy people on the earth. Oh, how beautiful it would be!’

St. Jean Marie Baptiste Vianney, the Cure of Ars
 
The Cure of Ars is truly wonderful is he not? 🙂 If only we had a few, even a very few parish priests like him today!

‘Alas, my friend. We cannot be together in Heaven unless we have begun to live so in this world. Death makes no change in that. As the tree falls, so shall it lie. . . Jesus Christ said . . . “He that does not hear the Church, let him be to thee as a heathen and a publican.” And he also said, “There shall be one fold and one shepherd,” and He made St. Peter the chief shepherd of His flock. My dear friend, there are not two ways of serving Jesus Christ. There is only one good way, and that is to serve Him as He Himself desires to be served.’

‘The number of saved is as few as the number of grapes left after the vineyard pickers have passed.’

‘Go to the cemetary and see what you love, when you love your body.’

‘See, my children, how sin degrades man; of an angel created to love God it makes a demon who will curse Him for all eternity. Ah! If Adam, our first father, had not sinned, and if we did not sin every day, how happy we should be! We should be as happy as the saints in heaven. There would be no more unhappy people on the earth. Oh, how beautiful it would be!’

St. Jean Marie Baptiste Vianney, the Cure of Ars
Precious words, lived out in his** total immolation** with Jesus Christ!
You** do** give us shepherds after Your own Heart, sweet Saviour!
Please send more into Your vineyard! Amen.
 
Brings up an interesting question for this Anglican-becoming-Catholic. I’m asking this question to be answered from a strictly Roman view, as I already know how Anglicans view it. Question is this:

Since Fr. Cutie was ordained a Catholic priest, does that mean his eucharist confected at an Anglican mass will be valid (but illicit), or will some sort of deposition take place where the indelible mark on the priest’s soul will be removed?
This is what Redemptionis Sacramentum has to say on the matter:
  1. Those Who Have Left the Clerical State
    [168.] “A cleric who loses the clerical state in accordance with the law … is prohibited from exercising the power of order”.274 It is therefore not licit for him to celebrate the sacraments under any pretext whatsoever save in the exceptional case set forth by law,275 nor is it licit for Christ’s faithful to have recourse to him for the celebration, since there is no reason which would permit this according to canon 1335.276 Moreover, these men should neither give the homily277 nor ever undertake any office or duty in the celebration of the sacred Liturgy, lest confusion arise among Christ’s faithful and the truth be obscured.
Note that the Archbishop of Miami also told the faithful that they are not to attend any services presided over by Cutie since they are ilicit. He has left the clerical state and has committed apostacy, so these services would not satisfy the Sunday Obligation for the Catholic faithful.
 
This is what Redemptionis Sacramentum has to say on the matter:

Note that the Archbishop of Miami also told the faithful that they are not to attend any services presided over by Cutie since they are ilicit. He has left the clerical state and has committed apostacy, so these services would not satisfy the Sunday Obligation for the Catholic faithful.
Is it actually the case that an illicit but valid service would not satisfy the Sunday obligation requirement? I read differently.
 
Son of Monica

As the Original Son of St. Monica, St. Augustine of Hippo wrote 1,600 years ago, “Once a priest, always a priest.” The mark is INDELIBLE. There is no act of man nor God’s that can remove it once it is applied (That includes Papal Dispensations). That is the Constant Teaching of the Catholic Church from the time of the Apostles.

I personally know an adulterous priest who joined a cult and left his post whom I still call Father in my emails and other communications.

Fr. Alberto left his post and committed adultery, but he’s still a priest. and, According to the Law of the Church, he is required to perform the Sacraments of the Church (Hear Confessions, Anoint the Dying, Confect the Eucharist) in emergencies when NO other priests are available…

Your Brother in Christ, Michael
Correction. The only thing that Cutie can do is hear the confession of someone who is dying.
 
Is it actually the case that an illicit but valid service would not satisfy the Sunday obligation requirement? I read differently.
It does not satisfy the Sunday obligation for Catholics because part of the reasont hat we have a Sunday obligation is to express our communion with the universal Church.

In this case, the priest who is presiding at the mass is not in communion with the Church. How can one be in communion with the Church if the the liturgy is taking place outside of the Church?

You may be confusing this case with the case of the SSPX. The masses at the SSPX are ilicit, because the priests are suspended. However, they are not excommunicated. Therefore, they are in communion with the Church. The mass is ilegal because it is being celebrated against the wishes of the Church. But it is not being celebrated outside of the Church.

Therefore, the Church has said that Catholics may attend mass at an SSPX chapel, provided that they do not give assent to the separation of the SSPX movement or teachings of Archbishop Lefebvre who was in fact excommunicated and celebrated the Eucharist outside of the Church.

There is a difference between an ilicit mass celebrated by a suspended priest and an excommunicated priest. Both cases the mass is ilicit, but in the former case, the priest is not outside of the Church.

Hope this helps.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Is it actually the case that an illicit but valid service would not satisfy the Sunday obligation requirement? I read differently.
The Archbishop of Miami clearly indicated in his statement that the faithful are not to attend Cutie’s services and such are not to fulfill one’s Sunday obligation.

Cutie not only left the priesthood, but, he committed apostacy. He is no longer in Communion with the One, True, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church. Validity requires that the celebrant be in communion with the Church. Now, in the case of the SSPX, they are are already beginning that road, a bit of a rocky one, but, they are slowly beginning it. Cutie is an altogether different example.
 
Son of Monica

As the Original Son of St. Monica, St. Augustine of Hippo wrote 1,600 years ago, “Once a priest, always a priest.” The mark is INDELIBLE. There is no act of man nor God’s that can remove it once it is applied (That includes Papal Dispensations). That is the Constant Teaching of the Catholic Church from the time of the Apostles.

I personally know an adulterous priest who joined a cult and left his post whom I still call Father in my emails and other communications.

Fr. Alberto left his post and committed adultery, but he’s still a priest. and, According to the Law of the Church, he is required to perform the Sacraments of the Church (Hear Confessions, Anoint the Dying, Confect the Eucharist) in emergencies when NO other priests are available…

Your Brother in Christ, Michael
The Church is not taking away his priesthood. In fact, the Archbishop has not even dismissed him from the clerical state. He’s still a cleric.

The Church takes away his license to exercise the priesthood, with two exceptions.
  1. Anyone can baptize, even a non Catholic.
  2. Any validly ordained priest can absolve in danger of death.
These are exceptions, not the ordinary thing to do. Those whom he baptizes are baptized. But those whom he absolves are not absolved, because he does not have faculties (license to do so), unless the person is in danger of death.

Hope this clarifies the matter.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
The Archbishop of Miami clearly indicated in his statement that the faithful are not to attend Cutie’s services and such are not to fulfill one’s Sunday obligation.

Cutie not only left the priesthood, but, he committed apostacy. He is no longer in Communion with the One, True, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church. Validity requires that the celebrant be in communion with the Church. Now, in the case of the SSPX, they are are already beginning that road, a bit of a rocky one, but, they are slowly beginning it. Cutie is an altogether different example.
Bold is mine.

It’s not validity that is in question here. His mass will always be valid, if he celebrates it according to one of the rites of the Catholic Church. His mass is not licit (legal) for the reasosn that you stated.

Yes, I agree that the status of the SSPX priests is different. They are not excommunicated. They are suspended.

Fr. Cutie is excommunicated or to state is correctly, has incurred an excommunication. The Church did nothing. He did it to himself.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Bold is mine.

It’s not validity that is in question here. His mass will always be valid, if he celebrates it according to one of the rites of the Catholic Church. His mass is not licit (legal) for the reasosn that you stated.

Yes, I agree that the status of the SSPX priests is different. They are not excommunicated. They are suspended.

Fr. Cutie is excommunicated or to state is correctly, has incurred an excommunication. The Church did nothing. He did it to himself.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Definitely, he did, in fact, do this to himself. As you stated, the Church is not the one who excommunicates. Cutie did that one all by himself when he knelt in front of the Episcopal prelate.

Having left the clerical state, he forfeited his rights as a priest, as stated by the Archbishop of Miami. Thus, any service that he presides over will not fulfill one’s Sunday obligation. The Archbishop was very clear about that.
 
We should stop talking about … sorry I do not know how to call him let’s see…:hmmm:Mr Alberto Cutie, that’s already in the past… the more we discuss about him the more important he believe he is, fiilling is ego. just pray for him so the almighty father will have mercy on him.
God bless you all:blessyou:
 
Definitely, he did, in fact, do this to himself. As you stated, the Church is not the one who excommunicates. Cutie did that one all by himself when he knelt in front of the Episcopal prelate.

Having left the clerical state, he forfeited his rights as a priest, as stated by the Archbishop of Miami. Thus, any service that he presides over will not fulfill one’s Sunday obligation. The Archbishop was very clear about that.
No argument about Fr./Mr. Cutie’s status as excommunicate or apostate. However, it’s not clear to me that per canon 290 he has in fact “lost the clerical state.” I saw the following in a Canon Law website:

*The clerical state is lost in one of three ways:5
(1) A priest can personally request a dispensation from the obligations arising from his ordination. This is commonly known as a petition for “laicization,” and it is granted only by the Holy Father through a process which is conducted by the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments. Depending on the reasons for the request, it is usually granted within six months of the presentation of the petition to the Congregation. However, in urgent cases involving issues such as criminal behavior, a dispensation can be granted within a number of weeks. This process must be initiated by the priest himself.

(2) A priest can be dismissed from the clerical state as a penalty for serious offenses. The law requires that such a dismissal be conducted by a judicial forum, that is, before a diocesan tribunal in accord with the legal procedures that govern criminal trials under canon law.6 Certain crimes, such as the sexual abuse of minors, are reserved to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. This means that once the local bishop has completed his investigation of the alleged crime, the results of this investigation must be sent to the Congregation which will then judge whether the penalty of dismissal from the clerical state can be imposed.7

Since this is done within a judicial process, the procedural laws of the Church must be observed with regards to the rights of victims, the rights of the accused priest, and the rights of the diocesan bishop. Given the nature of any judicial process, this
can be a most time consuming procedure, at times taking years to complete.

(3) The Church has also provided for the administrative dismissal of priests in the past for urgent reasons and only in grave matters; and the use of this process has always been considered an exception to the law. The most recent example of this process has been the dismissal of priests through the offices of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments for proven acts of misconduct involving the sexual abuse of minors. Certain key elements have always been required in order to invoke this process:8

The priest must specifically state that he is unwilling to petition for laicization personally.
There must be a criminal conviction associated with the priest’s sexual abuse of minors or a decision in a civil lawsuit demonstrating his responsibility for this abuse.
The priest who is going to be subjected to dismissal must be afforded a true “right of defense.” This means that the priest must be given an opportunity of presenting a defense, especially if he has pleaded to a lesser charge in order to avoid criminal prosecution of a more serious charge. The same principle applies if a settlement has been reached in a civil lawsuit and the priest was never afforded an opportunity to respond to the allegations and defend himself.
A Promoter of Justice must prepare an opinion. The person holding this office has the responsibility of assuring that a proper process has taken place and that there has not been a miscarriage of justice. *

Since Cutie apparently neither requested a dispensation (1), nor has there been a judicial forum (2), nor has there been a criminal conviction (3), I don’t see how these conditions have been met.

So again, clearly his attempt to celebrate the Eucharist would be illicit, but to me the question remains: were he to intend to confect the Eucharist and use the proper Words of Institution within an Episcopal Liturgy, would the Eucharist in fact be validly, but illicitly, confected? I also agree that a Sunday Obligation would clearly not be satisfied by attending one of his Episcopal liturgies, regardless of his clerical state (or not), and regardless of whether the Eucharist were valid (or not).
 
No argument about Fr./Mr. Cutie’s status as excommunicate or apostate. However, it’s not clear to me that per canon 290 he has in fact “lost the clerical state.” I saw the following in a Canon Law website:

*The clerical state is lost in one of three ways:5
(1) A priest can personally request a dispensation from the obligations arising from his ordination. This is commonly known as a petition for “laicization,” and it is granted only by the Holy Father through a process which is conducted by the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments. Depending on the reasons for the request, it is usually granted within six months of the presentation of the petition to the Congregation. However, in urgent cases involving issues such as criminal behavior, a dispensation can be granted within a number of weeks. This process must be initiated by the priest himself.

(2) A priest can be dismissed from the clerical state as a penalty for serious offenses. The law requires that such a dismissal be conducted by a judicial forum, that is, before a diocesan tribunal in accord with the legal procedures that govern criminal trials under canon law.6 Certain crimes, such as the sexual abuse of minors, are reserved to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. This means that once the local bishop has completed his investigation of the alleged crime, the results of this investigation must be sent to the Congregation which will then judge whether the penalty of dismissal from the clerical state can be imposed.7

Since this is done within a judicial process, the procedural laws of the Church must be observed with regards to the rights of victims, the rights of the accused priest, and the rights of the diocesan bishop. Given the nature of any judicial process, this
can be a most time consuming procedure, at times taking years to complete.

(3) The Church has also provided for the administrative dismissal of priests in the past for urgent reasons and only in grave matters; and the use of this process has always been considered an exception to the law. The most recent example of this process has been the dismissal of priests through the offices of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments for proven acts of misconduct involving the sexual abuse of minors. Certain key elements have always been required in order to invoke this process:8

The priest must specifically state that he is unwilling to petition for laicization personally.
There must be a criminal conviction associated with the priest’s sexual abuse of minors or a decision in a civil lawsuit demonstrating his responsibility for this abuse.
The priest who is going to be subjected to dismissal must be afforded a true “right of defense.” This means that the priest must be given an opportunity of presenting a defense, especially if he has pleaded to a lesser charge in order to avoid criminal prosecution of a more serious charge. The same principle applies if a settlement has been reached in a civil lawsuit and the priest was never afforded an opportunity to respond to the allegations and defend himself.
A Promoter of Justice must prepare an opinion. The person holding this office has the responsibility of assuring that a proper process has taken place and that there has not been a miscarriage of justice. *

Since Cutie apparently neither requested a dispensation (1), nor has there been a judicial forum (2), nor has there been a criminal conviction (3), I don’t see how these conditions have been met.

So again, clearly his attempt to celebrate the Eucharist would be illicit, but to me the question remains: were he to intend to confect the Eucharist and use the proper Words of Institution within an Episcopal Liturgy, would the Eucharist in fact be validly, but illicitly, confected? I also agree that a Sunday Obligation would clearly not be satisfied by attending one of his Episcopal liturgies, regardless of his clerical state (or not), and regardless of whether the Eucharist were valid (or not).
If you read the Archbishop’s letter, he states that “Fr. Cutie can be dismissed from the clerical state” for having joined the Episcopal Church. In other words, Fr. Cutie is still a cleric. Therefore, he is not Mr. He is still Father.

In the same letter, the Archbishop says that “Fr. Cutie is still bound to the promise of celibacy that he freely made at ordination.” This means that he has not been dispensed.

You cannot dismiss a priest from the clerical state without a trial. He has the righ to defend himself at such a trial. He also has the right of appeal if the verdict is against him. If he appeals, he remains within the clerical state.

Even if a priest leaves the Church, the Church cannot abandon her own laws. She must proceed according to law.

If the priest is also a religious, which Fr. Cutie is not, and if the religious is in solemn vows, this requires another trial. You cannot dismiss someone in solemn vows. You can dismiss a religious in simple vows, but never in solemn vows without a trial.

For the sake of learning, let’s say that Fr. Cutie were a priest and a Franciscan Brother. Franciscan Friars make solemn vows.

He would have to be dismissed from the clerical state first. That is one trial. Then he would have to go through another trial to dismiss him from the order. You cannot strip someone of the clerical state or of solemn vows without their consent, unless you place them on trial. The trials are separate. This is done only in very serious cases, because it takes very long and usually the person does not make himself available to cooperate in his defense. The person must be defended as stated in canon law.

Most of the time, the Church just lets the person go and hopes that they will return.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
My only comment in the matter of Father Cutie is that another son of the Church has seen fit to betray Jesus, much as Judas has. But then, I am being judgemental, which I should not be. I only hope Our Good Lord will forgive Father Cutie for his actions.

PAX DOMINI

ShalomAleichem
Indeed!

Lets’ none of us feel selfrighteous over one who falters in service to CHRIST. If we do not go to Purgatory for similar actions, we will almost certainly go there over something else. God bless us.
 
THE TRAGEDY OF MR. ALBERTO CUTIE

By Fr. Miguel Grave de Peralta
June 1, 2009

Many predicted that once the former Catholic priest, Alberto Cutie, was caught (whether planned or unplanned is irrelevant) cavorting with a young divorced mother in his congregation, he would leave the priesthood and join another Christian Church. In fact he claims to have done that so he may, according to the press, marry his girlfriend. But I wonder if Mr. Cutie is aware of what he is getting into now that he is seeking to serve as an ordained minister in the Protestant Episcopal Church.

I was an Episcopalian minister for 8 years. Having been raised a Southern Baptist, I was drawn to all things historical and religious in college after asking the usually dangerous question, “What happened after the Bible?” Joining what was then called the Protestant Episcopal Church (now just the Episcopal Church), I finished my theological studies in the Episcopalian seminary in New York City and went to work as an ordained Episcopal minister with my wife and a baby on the way.

My time in seminary (mid to late 80s) was, to say the least, volatile. Most of the seminarians were active homosexuals, our neighbors in student housing was a lesbian couple with their young son. Most of the religious courses offered assumed that what the Bible taught and Christians believed for most of its two-thousand year history was either wrong or at best warped. The few of us who believed what the Bible taught and wanted to live our lives as Christians have been trying to live it for 20 centuries kept insisting to each other that this was “New York” or that it was an “artificial” academic environment not reflective of the “pastoral trenches” we would find in the diocesan parish. We were wrong.

I’ve been there, done that and have the scars to prove it. What Mr. Cutie has signed up for is a religious organization that does not require its members or its clergy to believe in anything except “Thou shall not require anyone to believe in anything.” As an example, when Mr. Cutie was Fr. Alberto, he probably believed (he certainly taught) that in the Catholic Mass, ordinary bread and wine becomes the Body and Blood of Christ. He can still believe that as a Protestant Episcopalian but the belief is optional. He can continue to believe that his new bishop is a successor to the original Apostles but it is optional. He can continue to believe that Jesus Christ, after being dead for three days, rose from the dead and by His death defeated death, but it is optional. In essence what he has done is left a Church with one Teaching Authority and joined an organization with as many authorities as there are members. He has embraced the trinity of I-Me-Mine.

Perhaps Mr. Cutie has accepted the error that his bishop expressed on Spanish television (Univision) when he said the Episcopal Church is a Catholic Church. The bishop may say whatever he pleases just like I can say I am the president of the United States of America. However, when the Catholic Church, with over a billion members and the Orthodox Churches with almost half a billion members, being the oldest Christian families in the world, neither recognize the bishop as a bishop nor any sacraments of that bishop’s denomination as being valid or licit, well now there may be other things to say besides (as one television hostess said) that the bishop is “simpatico”. If anything, this is another example of the exception proving the norm and that norm is found in the Orthodox and Catholic Churches.

The tragedy of this is that in desiring to marry his girlfriend, Mr. Cutie has also married 1) clergy, including “bishops”, who are practicing homosexuals; 2) rejection of the example of Christ who chose an all-male priesthood 3) the dogmas of Christians since the beginning, including but not limited to the Eucharist; 4) the entire sacramental system upon which Christian living is based; 5) last but not least he has married the philosophy of the age. It is an old philosophy whispered in the garden to Eve by the Serpent, “You will be like God.”

Much if any of this will be discussed by the mainstream media. It is the prophet of this old philosophy. But for all of us priests, celibate or married, who strive and struggle every day to be obedient to our vows and to the Church established by Christ, the truth remains and He has set us free.

----The Rev. Fr. Miguel Grave de Peralta is the Parish Administrator of St. Ignatius of Antioch, Melkite Catholic Church in Augusta, Georgia
 
What is your conclusion as a whole?
I think it is the collapse of the church… (but it shall never succeed to destroy all of us).
Didn’t christ say, “On this rock I will build my church,* and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it*.”
In other words, the corrupt people are but a small minority that shall never prevail to destroy the church that christ chose. Also it is our duty to not say bad about them, but to stress the importance of not following suit.
They are hipocrits who have defied the very word of the bible that saved them… naughty, naughty…
 
Indeed!

Lets’ none of us feel selfrighteous over one who falters in service to CHRIST. If we do not go to Purgatory for similar actions, we will almost certainly go there over something else. God bless us.
But let us not too easily “brush” aside the fact that Fr.Cutie** “tempts God with impunity…”**

There is no** self-righteousness** in calling grave sin for what it is. Especially when so many “little ones” have been led astray.
Fr.Cutie is an apostate in the fullest sense of the word. Pray for his deliverance from the *** Evil One.***
 
What I don;t understand is why a priest is suspended if he has a mistress. For example, Pope Alexander VI had four children by his mistress (Vannozza dei Cattani), three sons and a daughter, and he was never suspended. And I read that other Popes had mistresses and were not suspended.
 
What I don;t understand is why a priest is suspended if he has a mistress. For example, Pope Alexander VI had four children by his mistress (Vannozza dei Cattani), three sons and a daughter, and he was never suspended. And I read that other Popes had mistresses and were not suspended.
Who would suspend the Pope? He is the visible head of the Church. There is no one between him and God.

Those lower than he, of course, can be held accountable by the system for not keeping their vows.
 
Who would suspend the Pope? He is the visible head of the Church. There is no one between him and God.

Those lower than he, of course, can be held accountable by the system for not keeping their vows.
There is the possibility of a Council of bishops to decide on the issue at hand. Something similar happened during the Great Western Schism when there were three people claiming to be Pope at the same time.
 
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