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I would hope that there would be a place for married priests in the Roman Catholic Church. If they can make a place for homosexual priests, then I would say that the time has come to allow heterosexual married priests.
There is nothing wrong with being homosexual or heterosexual and it has no bearing on being a Catholic or a Catholic priest. Regardless of one’s sexual orientation, we are expected to abstain unless we are married and to do so, we must be married in the Church. It is a mortal sin to be sexually active with someone who is not your spouse…therefore, practicing homosexuals (priests or not) are in mortal sin…same for heterosexual priests having sex, nuns having sex, and unmarried parishioners having sex.
 
Where is this officially and infallibly written down by the Magisterium that the Roman Cathoilic Church does not view homosexual relations as an abomination? Or is this just your private interpretation? You are not trying to minimise the abominable and perverted sin of homosexual relations, are you? The Word of God says it is an abomination:
“Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.” (Lv. 18:22)

“If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” (Lv. 20:13)
These are the teaching of the Church on homosexuality.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition. (CCC)

**2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection. **

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

The Church admits what the scriptures say, but then proceeds to change the language in light of her (the Chruch’s) understanding of scripture and the issue. She replaces the term abomination with disordered.

These statements are based on statemetns made by St. Charles Borromeo, which the Holy Father adopted and approved for inclusion in the official moral teaching of the Church.

You want to be very careful not to demand that everything come from an infallible decree. You can get into trouble that way, becaue more than half of what the Church teaches and believes was ever taught as infallible. We accept it as the authoritative teaching of the Church and we obey it because it comes from Peter.

The moment that we begin to demand that everything have the seal of infallibility, we begin to tear town the entire Church and her teachings and practices, since more than half are not taught as infallible, but they are taught with authority. The Church does expect every Catholic to assent, regardless of whether there is an infallible attribution or not.

This is a new thing now that people want statements to be infallible or they will debate them to death. In the past, this was not an issue. It has never been an issue with the saints. They have traditionally accepted the authority of the Church as enough for them to obey. They understood that they could do great damage to the Church by demanding infallibility on every statement. St. Elizabeth Ann Seton once said that the Protestants seemed more enamored of infallibility than the Catholics, because the Protestants always wanted truth that could not be challenged and Catholics had faith.

I always thought that was very interesting, comimg from a person who converted from Protestantism to Catholicism.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I would hope that there would be a place for married priests in the Roman Catholic Church. If they can make a place for homosexual priests, then I would say that the time has come to allow heterosexual married priests.
The is a place for married priests, in the Eastern Churches. It is only the Latin Rite Church that has this disciplilne and even in the Latin Rite there are exceptions made for converts.

By the way, you do realize that only a very small number of men are eligible to be ordained after they are married?

This discipline only applies to secular men, not to religious men.

Religious are always celibate. You can’t have religious life without celibacy and community living. Religious life is built upon the monastic tradtion. Religious who are priests have no stock in this proposal to do away with mandatory celibacy, because they are religious and religious have been celibate since the first century of the Church.

Today, the largest number of priests in the Latin Church belong to religious communities.

If we take the religious out of the equation, the number of secular priests who leave the priesthood because of celibacy is negligible compared to the number of men who remain priests, both in the secular state or in religious life.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
The fact that he was already in a serious relationship with the woman for two years is already a sin against his priestly vocation, especially his promise to remain celibate. Jesus said that sexual sin does not just entail doing the actual act; one can look at another person lustfully and commit sin. He was cheating on his vows when he embarked on his relationship with this woman. Cutie acted on his feelings and on his desires. In the end, he chose her and rejected the One, True, Holy, Catholic and Apostoli Church and committed apostacy.
He could, of course, with a remorseful heart, repent… but i dont suppose [as i dont know] he feels he was wrong.
I knew a priest who first completely left the priesthood because he fell in love.
He is still Catholic, but not a practicing priest. He is now married.
Perhaps these men should be in Catholics Rites who allow marriage before vows.

Trying to remain a priest of any faith is equating the truth to a reformed Church which has no ordinations from the Apostles. So to him, perhaps, it is all relative and unimportant.

Not acting like a great role model right now, prayfully he will repent and return. But all we can do is pray.

I hesitate to say this - but i think it may be time for a redo on the discipline of celibate priests. There is nothing wrong with them being married - and the Pope can change this discipline… if the Holy Spirit leads him to do so. I understand at one time it was completely necessary.

I think laws for the married priests must be in order first to avoid abuses that St Gregory had to contend with in the time he made celibacy part of the priesthood for the Roman Rite.
 
My interpretation of Scripture is that homosexual relations are an abomination. So, according to Scripture, it looks like it iw wrong to penalise a man who wants to get married more than a homosexual bishop or preist.
No one is being penalized for wanting to marry. Others have said this here; the priesthood is a calling and it should not be entered into lightly. No one is obligated to enter the priesthood. Fr. Cutie made a promise to the church. He can’t marry if he wants to be a priest and if one wants to marry, then don’t become a priest.
 
He could, of course, with a remorseful heart, repent… but i dont suppose [as i dont know] he feels he was wrong.
I knew a priest who first completely left the priesthood because he fell in love.
He is still Catholic, but not a practicing priest. He is now married.
Perhaps these men should be in Catholics Rites who allow marriage before vows.

Trying to remain a priest of any faith is equating the truth to a reformed Church which has no ordinations from the Apostles. So to him, perhaps, it is all relative and unimportant.

Not acting like a great role model right now, prayfully he will repent and return. But all we can do is pray.

I hesitate to say this - but i think it may be time for a redo on the discipline of celibate priests. There is nothing wrong with them being married - and the Pope can change this discipline… if the Holy Spirit leads him to do so. I understand at one time it was completely necessary.

I think laws for the married priests must be in order first to avoid abuses that St Gregory had to contend with in the time he made celibacy part of the priesthood for the Roman Rite.
Let’s assume for a moment that the Church removed the celibacy criteria for the Latin Rite. How many priests would benefit from it?

You do realize that at least half of the priests in the Latin Rite are also religious, maybe more. The rule of celibacy does not apply to religious life. Religious life is a commitment to live the three evangelical councils of which celibacy is one.

The numbers won’t work out. Those men who want to be religious and be priests, will still be celibate. The married men will be able to be secular priests, but never religious. About half of the men who want to be priests also want to be religious.

In addtion, I can tell you from personal experience, celibacy is not a burden for most of us who are celibate. We are happy. We feel very intimately united to God and identified with Christ and his mother. I would not trade it for the world.

Granted, I’m a religious. My community is my source of joy and my support system. It is my family and my place of rest. My community is the source of my energy and the inspiration that keeps me going. I find Christ through my brothers. He speaks to me in so many ways that I can’t explain them all.

I see brothers who have been consecrated to our way of life for 50 years and are happy. I am inspired by their love of God and the Church. When I see a young brother with a PhD working in our kitchen as a cook, I’m inspired by his humility and by his love for the brothers. He’s willing to put aside his years in school and preparation in a discipline that he loves to serve his brothers. Without celibacy this would not be possible.

We have a brother who is also a priest. He does not function as a priest, except to say one mass on Sunday. He’s a high school teacher and works as the school janitor after school. On Sundays he goes out to a parish and celebrates a mass to help out the local priest, then returns to our community house to prepare Sunday dinner for the brothers. This inspires my celibacy. This is truly a man in love with God, a man who has an inner passion for religious life and all that goes with it.

There are always going to be moments of stress, frustration, disappointment, anger and even hopelessness. But I had the same experiences when I was married. In case the reader does not know it, I’m a widower who became a Franciscan Brother. Those feelings have nothing to do with marriage. One can be very lonely when one is married, just as when one is celibate. Marriage is not the answer to the weaknesses that are part of the human condition.

Yes, there are priests who are married. Most are in the Eastern Churches. Some are converts from Protestant churches who became Latin Rite Catholics. There are also priests who are dispensed to get married. They remain Catholic, get married in Church and are part of the community of the faithful. They will always be priests, until death. But they are honest men of character. They have understood that they cannot be priest and married at the same time and they have asked the Holy Father for a dipensation and agreed to live as if they were lay men. They often make excellent husbands and fathers.

Celibacy is a beautiful gift for those who work at finding love in every dimension of life. Eliminating celibacy is not going to improve the individual’s character. At best it may bring a few more men to the secular priesthood.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF
 
No one is being penalized for wanting to marry. Others have said this here; the priesthood is a calling and it should not be entered into lightly. No one is obligated to enter the priesthood. Fr. Cutie made a promise to the church. He can’t marry if he wants to be a priest and if one wants to marry, then don’t become a priest.
It is not right to jump on him, but let the priests involved in homosexual relations easily off the hook. This is because Scripture condemns homosexual perversion in more severe terms.
 
Let’s assume for a moment that the Church removed the celibacy criteria for the Latin Rite. How many priests would benefit from it?

You do realize that at least half of the priests in the Latin Rite are also religious, maybe more. The rule of celibacy does not apply to religious life. Religious life is a commitment to live the three evangelical councils of which celibacy is one.

The numbers won’t work out. Those men who want to be religious and be priests, will still be celibate. The married men will be able to be secular priests, but never religious. About half of the men who want to be priests also want to be religious.

In addtion, I can tell you from personal experience, celibacy is not a burden for most of us who are celibate. We are happy. We feel very intimately united to God and identified with Christ and his mother. I would not trade it for the world.

Granted, I’m a religious. My community is my source of joy and my support system. It is my family and my place of rest. My community is the source of my energy and the inspiration that keeps me going. I find Christ through my brothers. He speaks to me in so many ways that I can’t explain them all.

I see brothers who have been consecrated to our way of life for 50 years and are happy. I am inspired by their love of God and the Church. When I see a young brother with a PhD working in our kitchen as a cook, I’m inspired by his humility and by his love for the brothers. He’s willing to put aside his years in school and preparation in a discipline that he loves to serve his brothers. Without celibacy this would not be possible.

We have a brother who is also a priest. He does not function as a priest, except to say one mass on Sunday. He’s a high school teacher and works as the school janitor after school. On Sundays he goes out to a parish and celebrates a mass to help out the local priest, then returns to our community house to prepare Sunday dinner for the brothers. This inspires my celibacy. This is truly a man in love with God, a man who has an inner passion for religious life and all that goes with it.

There are always going to be moments of stress, frustration, disappointment, anger and even hopelessness. But I had the same experiences when I was married. In case the reader does not know it, I’m a widower who became a Franciscan Brother. Those feelings have nothing to do with marriage. One can be very lonely when one is married, just as when one is celibate. Marriage is not the answer to the weaknesses that are part of the human condition.

Yes, there are priests who are married. Most are in the Eastern Churches. Some are converts from Protestant churches who became Latin Rite Catholics. There are also priests who are dispensed to get married. They remain Catholic, get married in Church and are part of the community of the faithful. They will always be priests, until death. But they are honest men of character. They have understood that they cannot be priest and married at the same time and they have asked the Holy Father for a dipensation and agreed to live as if they were lay men. They often make excellent husbands and fathers.

Celibacy is a beautiful gift for those who work at finding love in every dimension of life. Eliminating celibacy is not going to improve the individual’s character. At best it may bring a few more men to the secular priesthood.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF
Thank you, Brother, for this beautiful testimony. Thank you, too, for the gift you offer us all on these forums-your knowledge of the rich deposit of the Faith and the treasury of wisdom contained therein.
On this eve of the great Feast of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, and the beginning of the 150th** Jubilee of St.John Marie Vianney and the year of the Priesthood declared by our Holy Father, I thank you** wholeheartedly for your fidelity to your vocation. God Bless you and Mary keep you.
 
Ron, what do you have at steak here? Am I correct in interpreting that you challenge the Church’s authority to require celibacy for secular men who want to be clerics in the Latin Rite?

Are you completely opposed to mandatory celibacy? If so, what do we do with religious life? If you take celibacy away, religious life ceases to exist. Religious life is built upon community life and community life is built on celibacy as the means to the perfection of charity.I guess my point is that you seem intent on condemning the Church for requiring celibacy. But I am not sure if you are speaking solely about secular men who may want to enter the priesthood or about religious men who want to enter the priesthood as well.
Yes, I am opposed to mandatory celibacy. I have nothing at stake here. It’s just a no brainer to me. You have a priest shortage and a gay subculture. Bring in some good old fashioned heterosexuals.
I think celibacy served a purpose at one time but it’s not working any more. I think the real reason was to avoid problems with property being lost to a priest’s family after he died. Today the Church has to sell off property to pay for lawyers. If you allow priests to be married, those with the gift of celibacy will be content to remain single. There will be many. Trust God with it.
I’m a little confused in these areas.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
I’m a little confused about what the Church is doing. If they want a celibate priesthood why accept married priests from other denominations? There are also many people within the Church who think it would benefit the Church at this time to allow priests to marry. I see the Church relying more on old habits than trusting in God.
 
It is not right to jump on him, but let the priests involved in homosexual relations easily off the hook. This is because Scripture condemns homosexual perversion in more severe terms.
You are missing the point. Any sexual relations outside of a marriage sanctioned by God is a mortal sin. There is a difference in homosexuality and homosexual relations. Besides, who is letting priests involved in homosexual relations off the hook? Besides that, does it make it right just because others do it? Of course not. We should not live our lives by saying, “Well this is wrong, but others do it, so I can too.”
 
Yes, I am opposed to mandatory celibacy. I have nothing at stake here. It’s just a no brainer to me. You have a priest shortage and a gay subculture. Bring in some good old fashioned heterosexuals.
I think celibacy served a purpose at one time but it’s not working any more. I think the real reason was to avoid problems with property being lost to a priest’s family after he died. Today the Church has to sell off property to pay for lawyers. If you allow priests to be married, those with the gift of celibacy will be content to remain single. There will be many. Trust God with it.
I understand what you’re saying here. But the reality is that celibacy is not a matter of economic expedience or what is culturally appropriate and so forth. It is a matter of a gift that God and the Church give to a man who wants to be a priest. It is a gift that comes with Holy Orders for those in the Latin Rite church, at least for secular men. As I have reminded everyone over and over again, this is non issue for religious congregations and religious orders.

There is also the experience and example of religious congregations and religious orders. Religious have always been celibate. When Pope Gregory made celibacy mandatory for the secular clergy, he was not only dealing with social issues in the Church. He was also very inspired by religious. The number of saints among religious men and women far outnumbers those among the secular clergy. Each of these saints gives testimony to the role of celibate intimacy with Jesus Christ on their journey.

This does not mean that married men and women don’t become saints. There are many. But the fact cannot be denied, the number of religious who are saints is impressive. The goal of the Church is to help people become saints. We have to keep that in mind too. A man becomes a priest to be a saint, not to meet a quota.

The Church understands that the number of priests today is too small to meet the demands of an ever growing Catholic population. The facts are that the number of priests today is equal to that before WW I. The golden era for secular priests was between WW I and the 1960s. Prior to that and today, the larger number of men want to be religious. They do not want to be secular priests. The number of men entering mendicant and monastic orders is on the rise. Look at the following communities: Franciscans of the Renewal, Little Brothers of St. Francis, Franciscan Missionaries of the Eternal Word, Brothers of Charity, Franciscan Brothers of Peace, Brothers of the Poor, Missionaries of Charity, Benedictine Monks, Carthusian Hermits, Dominican Friars, Carmelite Friars.

These communities are reporting an increase in vocations. What is interesting is that the new communities are mostly communities of brothers. The men do not want to be priests. Those brothers who are priests do not work in priestly ministries. In our community, none of our ordained brothers do traditional priestly ministries. They help out in parishes on Sundays, but Monday through Saturday they do everything from pro-life work to janitorial services. Their life is completely dedicated to the community and to the protection of human life. This is the charism of the community.

I recently met a Brother of the Poor who is a priest. He spends his days in the streets of Jamaica feeding kids. He celebrates mass on Sundays and he has never heard confessions in his life and he said that he had baptized two children in his ten years as a priest. His community is committed to the work of the poor and finding Christ in the poor. They are very much like Mother Teresa’s Missionaries of Charity. Those priests also do very little in parishes.

The issue is not that there is a shortage of priests. There is actually a shortage of parish priests, because religious men who may happen to be priests as well as religious, want to serve God within the charism of their religious life, not in parishes. Very few religious founders wanted their communities to serve in parishes. Parishes have always been the domain of the secular priest. Religious priests volunteered to take over parishes to help the bishops. But those days are coming to an end. The religious men want to remain with their religious community, not the parish laity. The laity will have to respond the the Church’s call to ministry in those roles that do not require Holy Orders. Then we will have enough priests to celebrate the sacraments and perform other ministries that are in keeping with their vocation.
I’m a little confused about what the Church is doing. If they want a celibate priesthood why accept married priests from other denominations? There are also many people within the Church who think it would benefit the Church at this time to allow priests to marry. I see the Church relying more on old habits than trusting in God.
I can see how this is confusing. But in fact, the Church is relying on God. God is sending us these converts. We are receiving them. They come to us with a background in ministry. That’s why we ordain them. They are a gift to the Church.

We have to make sure that we understand that a gift is not the same as the same as the norm. Married men becoming priests is an exception in the Latin Rite.

If you look at the other rites you will find that they do not have that many vocations to the priesthood, even though they can be married before they are ordained. Their monks have more vocations than their dioceses do. It seems that marriage is not a problem for them. Yet, they are not getting the large numbers that they once had.

I hope this helps a little.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I completely agree. I mean, my heart goes out to him with his suffering, but at the same time, he has two different directions he could turn to for love. Jesus or that other lady. If I could choose, of course I’d choose Jesus. It’d be difficult at first, but you get over it. I just think it’s disappointing because he’s a world-known Catholic priest and now the world can just point fingers at the Catholic Church because of it. I also wonder what goes through the mind of that lady. I mean, once she found out he was a priest, couldn’t she have respected that boundary and left him alone? Of all the men out there, she would go for a priest?! Sure, Fr. Cutie is a great man but once you find out someone simply ENTERS the seminary, wouldn’t you back off?
I don’t know, I’m just disappointed in him, but the Lord saw it coming from years ago and has a plan for him to fulfill, however it works out. (It’d be awesome if he realized just before the wedding, “wait a minute, i was called to be a Catholic priest, not to be a husband!!” and turned back around. The world would definitely be thinking about the Catholic Church after that…)
I live near the area of the incident, so I heard about this for the past month like nonstop.
Keep praying for him, everyone.
 
You are missing the point. Any sexual relations outside of a marriage sanctioned by God is a mortal sin. There is a difference in homosexuality and homosexual relations. Besides, who is letting priests involved in homosexual relations off the hook? Besides that, does it make it right just because others do it? Of course not. We should not live our lives by saying, “Well this is wrong, but others do it, so I can too.”
There are differences in degree in mortal sins as some are worse than others and classified by Scripture as an abomination.
 
I Religious have always been celibate.
No. At the time of the Reformation it is well known that the monasteries were hotbeds of illicit activity. The religious may have taken a vow or a promise of celibacy, but many did not remain celibate.
 
Married men becoming priests is an exception in the Latin Rite.
But it was not always so. It is well known that the earliest Christian priests were very largely married men. There is record of a number of third-century married bishops in good standing, even in the West. They included: Passivus, bishop of Fermo; Cassius, bishop of Narni; Aetherius, bishop of Vienne; Aquilinus, bishop of Évreux; Faron, bishop of Meaux; Magnus, bishop of Avignon. Filibaud, bishop of Aire-sur-l’Adour, was the father of St. Philibert de Jumièges, and Sigilaicus, bishop of Tours, was the father of St. Cyran of Brenne.
 
Regardless of how we interpret scripture’s statements regarding homosexuality, the Church’s interpretation always stands as the final authority. The Church does not interpret it as an abomination.
You have not given any official declaration where the Church officially rejects the teaching of Scripture that it is an abomination. Further, we have the teachings of the Fathers of the Church that it is an abomination. For example. according to St. John Chrysostomus: “The worst of it is that such an abomination is committed boldly and that the monstrosity becomes the law. Nobody nowadays fears, nobody blushes. They boast and they laugh at these actions. The people who abstain appear stupid and they who condemn are regarded as fools. If they appear to be the weaker ones they are crushed with blows. If they are stronger, people laugh, people mock them and make many jokes about them. They have no redress in tribunals or in law.” (…) “I have heard also many men who are surprised that up to the present a new shower of fire has not fallen on us and that the chastisement of Sodom has not fallen again on our town which is even more deserving of punishment since it did not learn from the evils of the Sodomites. Although after two thousand years this place accursed and overwhelmed which was Sodom cries to the whole world by its appearance more eloquently than any one voice could, not to dare to commit such heinous offences, our fellow citizens have committed these offences not with less effrontery but quite on the contrary they show themselves more daring and unashamed as if they were determined to do battle with God and that they wish to prove that they wish to add to their crimes, in proportion as the threats become more terrible. How is it that according as the crimes of Sodom renew themselves the chastisement of Sodom is not also renewed? Ah, the reason is that a more terrible fire waits them and that a chastisement is reserved for them which will have no end.” (Against the opponents of Monastic Life, III.8) .
And The Catholic Church thus teaches: "Basing itself on sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity…
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If the Church made a specific allowance for homosexuals in the priesthood, I would agree with you, but it has not…

…Therefore, a priest entering a marriage violates the canons, while sexual sin does not. But the Church has not made a loophole for gay behavior in the clergy.
Not intentionally but the loophole exists anyway. The bishops were chomping at the bit to discipline Cutie but they either ignored or excused the abuse of children. Something is not right when that is allowed to go on for decades. The Church hierarchy has gradually and steadily strayed from the spirit of the early church because they have neglected the studying of the New Testament. You can’t be corrupt and inspired by the Holy Spirit at the same time.

This is what Paul says about sexual immorality:

1 Corinthians 5:2 You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst. 3 For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present. 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. 6 Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough?
 
1 Corinthians 5:2 You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst. 3 For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present. 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. 6 Your boasting is*** not good.*** Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough?
Great words of St.Paul! They aptly apply to*** all unrepentant sinners***, Fr.Cutie,
Mel Gibson etc. etc. We can indicate** them** because of the public scandal…but those who kept silent about the sex-abuse scandal will also receive their** just** punishment
***.All ***will be held accountable-and all have access to the mercy of God, “especially the greatest sinners” (Our Lord to St.Faustina)
This should give us ***all ***comfort. God’s peace.
 
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