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Then by your standards, I’m an arrogant racist.
Fine, whatever. I think it’s clear where we each stand, and where we’re coming from.
Florida's GOP gubernatorial nominee says a vote for his black opponent would 'monkey this up'
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Fine, whatever. I think it’s clear where we each stand, and where we’re coming from.
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I’m afraid I would go off-topic way to far to discuss it but I don’t think it’s just from the past. Unfortunately, it just seemed something that needed to be said given the opening post and a few others.
That is up to you. I’ve been careful not to say “you”, because I don’t know you. I spoke of charges, etc.JonNC:
Then by your standards, I’m an arrogant racist.
Fine, whatever. I think it’s clear where we each stand, and where we’re coming from.
All of my adult life I’ve heard the false charges against conservatives regarding race. I’m really weary of it.
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You’ll notice that I didn’t make any charges against conservatives. I don’t believe that racism is unique to conservatives, or unknown amongst liberals.
However, your identification of racism with the Democratic Party and liberalism is not quite as neutral.
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The difference is our society already recognizes that white lives matter. But it has a problem with recognizing that black lives matter. So the purpose of BLM is to end up where society does recognize that all lives matter by correcting the lack of recognition specifically in the areas where it is not being recognized.Inisfallen:
If I started an organization called [white] lives matter, it would rightfully be regarded as racist.
The same applies to BLM.
Apparently Inisfallen believes that there is proveable.
It should be sufficient to exhibit a statistical correlation when there are no other variables.
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No, actually, I don’t think that it would ever be provable to the satisfaction of some.
I could walk such a person through the school my daughter will be attending, which is lovely, and the school in the next zone, which serves just as many children and receives exactly the same funding, yet is poorly maintained, dirty, has the most junior or the least competent teachers, does not produce the same results and is not a place into which parents fight to get their children. There’s only one difference, really, and that’s the race of the children who attend that school.
And yet some would be blind to this. The question is, is that blindness willful?
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RCIAGraduate
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To be fair, many our black and african american neighborhoods had to endure with the stereotypes and perceptions they know that others see in them. It’s likely not an easy burden to carry.
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I think what people get upset with is that given the history of the Democratic party there seems to be a continual wish from some supporting that party to see racism everywhere in the Republican party.
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CNN spreading Fake News again!
You’ll notice I didn’t say you did, nor did I mention liberals. Nor did I say that racism is unknown among conservatives. But I will say that if one is a true liberal or a true conservative, bigotry should be contrary to the basic philosophy of both.
My identification of racism to the Democratic Party reflects historic fact. The identification of racism to identity politics and intersectionality is obvious.
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black-on-black crime.
Then the start of such an organization would not be declared offensive and racist?
And if that were the only motive if BLM, to defend blacks whose lives are taken by law enforcement without just cause, I’d stand with them. But that isn’t their only motivation.
If there is proof, I will join in the condemnation.
So, the statistical correlation between progressive Democrats in charge of large cities for decades being the places where most police shootings of blacks take place is sufficient to charge those progressives with racist actions.
The statistical correlation is that most of this type of crime happens in large cities progressive Democrats have been in charge for decades.RCIAGraduate:
black-on-black crime.
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That’s just meaningless.
It’s about as meaningful as talking about Michael Cohen and Paul Manafort and saying that’s “white on white” crime.
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Yes, Democratic leaders in those communities may be imperfect but if your tax base is minimal, wouldn’t you agree there isn’t much capacity to address
critical issues, particularly when circumstances like deindustrialization which caused substantial job losses (and destroyed the tax base) and white flight that led to social and economic stratification and isolation are uncontrollable?
critical issues, particularly when circumstances like deindustrialization which caused substantial job losses (and destroyed the tax base) and white flight that led to social and economic stratification and isolation are uncontrollable?
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Short of a sworn, witnessed and notarized statement in writing from, say, the chancellor of the city school system declaring his or her belief that non-white children aren’t worth educating, I don’t think there’s any proof that you’d accept.
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Isn’t the case that having an ideology based on gathering taxes from target groups and building large government institutions going to encourage those groups to move away and cause the issues you raised to happen.
Isn’t it the ideology then that is controlling these issues by causing them?
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It is no more ridiculous than everyone that says DeSantis was being racist by using the phrase “monkey this up”
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The fact remains that graduating students are lacking math and reading skills.
International surveys show American students down around 27th … you can look it up.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/27/education-olympics-how-do_n_1707968.html
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The study’s findings support years of rankings that show foreign students outpacing their American peers academically. Students in Shanghai who recently took international exams for the first time [outscored every other school system in the world]
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/04/american-students-what-th_n_1076268.html). In the same test, American students ranked 25th in math, 17th in science and 14th in reading.
Just 6 percent of U.S. students performed at the advanced level on an international exam administered in 56 countries in 2006. That proportion is lower than those achieved by students in 30 other countries.
MORE RECENT SURVEYS SHOW THE SAME RESULTS
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/joanne-jacobs/us-lags-in-top-math-stude_b_783155.html
DeBlasio wants to ban testing:
These patterns may sound familiar: In New York City, for example, the most competitive of the city’s nine specialized high schools have similarly low numbers of black and Hispanic students, prompting Mayor Bill de Blasio to announce plans to overhaul admissions and ban the standard exam that prospective students must ace in order to enroll. A bill phasing out the test was recently approved by a state Assembly committee but put on hold by the speaker until next year, after attracting robust public protest, particularly by members of the city’s Asian-American community.
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www.educationnext.org
First, Asian parents disproportionately enroll their children, regardless of how gifted they are in math, in the advanced programs and STEM-related extracurricular activities at the middle schools that send the largest number of graduates to TJ. Second, many Asian parents have advanced degrees in STEM subjects and are able to tutor their children in these subjects. Finally, though most families of Asian TJ students have a relatively high income, Asian parents of all income levels invest in substantial weekend and summer enrichment.
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