Lots of them in the media and in politics. Tom Perez, Keith Ellison to name two.
Florida's GOP gubernatorial nominee says a vote for his black opponent would 'monkey this up'
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Ridgerunner
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It’s really kind of idle to speculate what might be the case if a Republican was mayor of the City of St. Louis, as I don’t think there were any since 1949, and few before that.
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Inisfallen
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So your evidence is an unverified claim that two Democrats believe that most white people, Republicans, Trump supporters, are racists?
Nope, not living up to your own standards.
Actually, the biggest racists are white progressives, most of the racism comes from there.
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Inisfallen
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Another unverified claim with no specific evidence.
It fits perfectly with yours.
Interesting the reaction when your approach is used in response.
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Inisfallen
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That doesn’t even make sense.
I think it’s clear where we’re each coming from, so I’m going to bow out.
Of course it makes sense. You charge institutional racism when the vast amount of institutional racism has been eliminated. You claim the actions of a few represent the institutions. And you charge it without evidence, as progressives have been doing for a long time.JonNC:
That doesn’t even make sense.
I think it’s clear where we’re each coming from, so I’m going to bow out.
60 years this country, Democrats and Republicans, have worked hard to eliminate institutional racism. Laws. Regulations. All in place, and to a great measure , successfully eliminating institutional racism.
Then when I use the same approach in response, only then do you want verifiable evidence.
Here’s where I’m coming from.
Racism and bigotry have no legitimate place in a free society. Accusations of racism and bigotry without proof are racist themselves.
I was watching a segment of Aretha Franklin’s memorial tonight. Stevie Wonder said, in part, “Black lives matter because all lives matter, and we need to make love great again.”
A wonderful statement. The republic will only survive if the melting pot continues to bring us together.
Tribalism and racial strife will destroy this great republic, the greatest and freest land in history. It is time for all people of good will to reject identity politics regardless of its source. And stopping the kind of evil attacks as were launched on DeSantis is a good start. He and his opponent should be opposed or supported because of their policy goals, not race.
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How are you defining “institutional racism”? It sounds like you mean racism codified into law, like Jim Crow laws, and thus institutionalized, and only that.
I’m using the more widely accepted definition of institutional racism that says it is racism expressed in the practice (not the written codes and enforced laws) of social and political institutions. So more de facto
racism than de jure racism, and as such, hard to prove to what I think your standard is. Also as such, it is difficult to provide proof of its existence to those who would deny that it exists, and very easy for them to deny its existence, even to themselves.
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Who, precisely, are you calling racist?
What exactly makes them racist?
I will start with those who have accused DeSantis.
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Accusing someone of racism, even if the accusation is groundless, is not racism. It is bad, certainly, but it is not racism.dvdjs:
I will start with those who have accused DeSantis.
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Well, of course. That’s what it is. But not just government. Bob Jones University was racist institutionally. Institutional racism is not defined necessarily by the actions of members of the institution.
The Furgeson police department showed evidence of racism that may have been institutional, but the police officer’s actions were shown to not be.
The police officer in Texas recently convicted of murder may have acted out of racism, but that doesn’t mean the department is institutionally racist.
Me too, but it has to be systemic and more or less intentional.
But you simply can’t make the accusation without hard evidence. If you do, then I can make exactly the same charges.
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Kind of like all white people being evaluated by the slavery that took place 150 years ago abetted by some whites, but which was slowly dismantled greatly owing to the efforts of other whites.7_Sorrows:
Exactly! And Democrat and Republican today is not what it was 150 years ago, which is why it is so strange to see today’s parties being evaluated by what the parties that shared those names 150 years ago were like.
Why are all whites today being forced to carry the guilt and responsibility for the actions of some (all Democrat) whites who lived 150 years ago?
Perhaps Dems today ought to stop the race, gender and minority baiting against all whites (or at least those who don’t kowtow to political correctness precisely BECAUSE of this strange phenomenon of seeing targeted groups today being evaluated for what was done 150 years ago.
The Dems and progressives seem only discomforted about digging up stuff that happened 150 years ago if and when their past sins are revealed. When it is their political opponents who appear in a negative light there don’t seem to be any qualms about bringing up past sins and hanging those like a millstone around the necks of conservatives.
Seems just a tad hypocritical, no?
The race baiting occurring today that pits blacks against whites traffics in what occurred 150 years ago. We ought to, at least, place responsibility where it is due, no?
No Democrat has ever apologized for the past sins of their party, just transferred guilt to the other side, in attempts to redefine allegiances in order to gain the political support of anyone who can in any way be snake oiled into thinking of themselves as victims. It is much easier to carry such heavy baggage when you can saddle your opponents with it and make them burdened by it.
Sorry. It’s where I started in response to your question.JonNC:
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The motivation is race-based. It’s racism.
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HarryStotle
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Right. You don’t know you are racist, and there is no real evidence that you are, but take my word for it, you are racist.
Let’s turn that around, shall we?
The Democratic Party has historically been racist and has never shown any contrition or apologized for it. Today, the Democratic Party shows “more de facto racism than de jure racism, and as such, hard to prove to what I think your standard is. Also as such, it is difficult to provide proof of its existence to those who would deny that it exists, and very easy for them to deny its existence, even to themselves.”
We could add that the Democratic Party finds it very easy to point fingers at supposed racists but never seems to see racism in its own closet, even though that was where it showed up most rabidly in the past.
You would think that if true contrition and conversion occurred, the sure sign would be the Democratic Party taking full responsibility for what it did in the past, rather than point fingers or make up twisted narratives about “the big switch.”
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The shooting of Michael Brown was shown to be justified. The Ferguson police department, on the other hand, had been treating the black community horribly, as shown by the report of the Department of Justice’s investigation. And I would say that report is pretty good evidence of the institutional racism of the town of Ferguson (not just the police department), who had been treating the poor black community as a piggy bank.
Less tangible is my own observation that schools in black neighborhoods in New York City are not cleaned and maintained as well as schools in white neighborhoods, despite having the same budgets and equivalent physical plants. I have seen this. I would say that’s an example of institutional racism, perhaps unconscious.
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