Following Church teaching on homosexuality leads to collateral sin?

[Agnus_Dei_1]

Interesting dilemma, and perhaps I have missed it, but are you trying to get to the root problem of why there is this disordered attraction? We generally become who we are through the personal and emotional interactions we’ve had with others throughout our lives, and our thoughts then become who we are.

Was it an inadequate relationship with your father? Did your mother treat you as a close confidante and have a closer relationship with you than her husband? Did you have older brothers who made fun of you and taunted you for being who you are? Did you admire masculine boys but never quite felt like you fit in? From the research I’ve read, many times this disordered attraction is something that has been created over a lifetime, for whatever reason.

There are many programs available for those battling homosexual tendencies and thousands of success stories… many times, men just want to be affirmed, as a man, through a loving relationship with their father, brothers, other male relatives or male friends. This is a natural part about developing into a man. Fathers who are emotionally or physically abusive, or just plain ignore their sons aren’t helping their sons to become real men.

I guess the point is, given your solid catechesis, you know in your heart, mind and soul what is right, but the conflict comes in when the environment you’ve grown up in overpowers your catechesis. Addressing the root problem may be a better approach than trying to figure out how to deal with the symptoms. I may be wrong, but don’t think so.

My family and I will pray for your journey… you have a cross to bear (as do we all), but through Christ, all things are possible. A fairly important point to acknowledge and take advantage of.

In Jesus, through Mary,

A concerned Catholic

 

[geekborj]

First, please do not call it SSA, it’s an obnoxious euphemism. To answer your question, I feel I have to lie when a friend or family member blatantly asks, “are you homosexual?” Any response other than to lie and say “no” would logically indicate that I was. Friends and family members knowing would cause significant problems in my relationships with them, and as a homosexual living chastely in accord with Church teaching, they are all I have.

Such an admission could in fact jeopardize my job and certainly my ministry work. For my job, I work in a very liberal industry (the literary industry) and have many liberal friends. Once I admit that I am a homosexual who lives chastely, I become instantly slathered with labels such as “repressed” and “self-loathing.” My gay friends would view me as a traitor. Not that I mind the labels so much, but I do mind the loss of friendships with people I deeply care about, especially when friendships are the only meaningful relationships I am allowed. Beyond the friendships, I love my job. I enjoy what I do.

As for ministry, Catholic parents do not want their children to be supervised by a known homosexual, whether he is chaste or not. There is such a vicious stigma attached to homosexuality, that only the most intelligent and understanding of people would be able to see past it, and those people are few among conservative Catholic parents.

I do not know you well enough to judge you. But based ONLY on what you have written here (see emphasis), it seems that God is showing you that He is all in ones life. How could one love God if at the same time we love this world. If needed for our salvation, we have to set aside ourselves, our friends, our family and our culture to ascend to God. Note that everything in this life is a means to God, not the end.

It also seems that your decisions are based on the decisions and sentiments of the peers instead of yourself. What do you, yourself, think about everything? Maybe a silent retreat would be beneficial for you to have time and privacy to think everything through?

But above everything else, I liked about what you have written is that you have lived chastely. This is the best part of everything you have written! I believe that the Holy Spirit is at work in you. Suffering seems to be the sign that God is at work in us. All we have to do is put that suffering along with Christ’s body as we participate in his Sacrifice today.

God bless us all.

 

[vera_dicere]

Its great that you’re followign Church teachings and living chasty and that you love the faith.

But I think its rather dangerous to be lying, to have to cover up who you are to your family and friends might cause you to become bitter, and you could turn that bitterness against the Church, and then, maybe to God.

A good friend of mine is a lesbian, and for years she lived like she was straight, in fact, I thought she was straight and I knew her for 15 years before she told me she was actually a Lesbian.

We went to the same Catholic secondary school and while there she was a devoute Catholic, a eucharistic minster for our school and was involved in a lot of student youth groups. But over time, when she saw what the Church taught, and she didn’t quite understand the concept of living chastily, and the lies she was telling to friends and family - who had some rather nasty views of homosexuals. She ended up getting into one night stands with other women and really got into a very dark life style - and she ended up blaming the Church for all of it.

 

[qui_est_ce]

To the nosy people who ask you questions if you are homosexual, they have no right to that information! I suggest you respond with righteous indignation, something like “Why on earth would you ask me such an incredibly rude and offensive question?!!” Or try humor. An honest answer might be, “I’m tired of people asking me if I’m homosexual just because I like Judy Garland musicals!” But even if you choose to say a simple, “No.” it really it is none of their business, and they are not entitled to an honest answer. You don’t need to feel bad about refusing to share intimate personal details of your life simply because some rude person asks.

Do you remember the Cheers episode where Norm discovers his talent at painting, but can’t get any jobs until he pretends to be gay? In the show, people were falling all over themselves being PC and trying to fix him up with other gay men. Norm was repulsed. Amazing how mores have degenerated since even then.
not that there is anything wrong with it

 

[LilyM]

Regarding this discussion, I find it noteworthy what a friend of mine, who is studying another language (German, I think).

This friend said that in German you would say “I have _____”, while in English, we tend to say “I am _____”.

For this discussion, in German you would say “I have SSA/OSA,” while in English we unfortunately tend to say “I am homosexual/heterosexual.”

One’s sexual attractions play a huge part in one’s life (whether one is celibate or not), but it does not define someone.

That’s only true to a limited extent and not a general rule. You would certainly say ‘ich bin klein’ (I am short) or ‘ich bin gross’ (I am fat) rather than using ‘ich habe’ (I have) for either of those.

Same in French - ‘je suis petite’ (I am short) ‘je suis blonde’ (I am blonde) ‘je suis femme’ (I am a woman) or ‘je suis Americain’ (I am American).

 

[Kolbe300]

Whether or not it affects you negatively, parents have a right to know if their children are associating with a homosexual person, chaste or not. You have no right to deceive anyone if you are asked from anyone connected with your youth ministry. If you are not asked, which you should not be, you still should be forthcoming with whomever is your superior.

With regards to the above statment, it would be impossible for me to disagree with you any more than I do. I couldn’t help but notice in this example that you turned from your preference of the term “SSA” and went with “homosexual.” Why the change? A person’s sexuality is nobody’s business, period. The only time it would become someone’s business is if a person was using their sexuality inappropriately (against Catholic teaching) or using their own sexuality as a means of teaching error. Does a parent have a right to know if a youth minister has ever masturbated at home? Has used birth control? Has ever committed adultery? If a youth minister is teaching the Catholic faith correctly, their own, personal sexuality is nobody’s business.

The one area where I do agree with you is the possibility of letting a superior know. I go to spiritual direction to my pastor. He knows EVERYTHING about me (including my SSA). I’m not kept hidden from kids because of it, and I certainly don’t have to announce anything to parents. If a parent asked me if I was a homosexual I would answer in two parts: 1.) Why are you asking me that question? and 2.) I am a chaste, single, Catholic man, and I strive to live Catholic teaching. Any other questions?

Can you imagine the potential fallout for your superior? What did they know and when did they know it, etc. etc. Again, fairly or not, keeping this under wraps is a time bomb, and when it eventually goes off, you will not be the only one affected.

What fallout? What in the world “time bomb” is eventually going to go off? Here we have an OP explaining his devotion to living Catholic teaching and a desire to minister. Why it has been recommended that he steer clear of youth ministry is beyond me.

 

[antonabe]

The important thing here is that you acknowledge that homosexuality is a Sin and something unnatural.You are close to God and you wish to continue treading on the path laid down by Jesus Christ towards evelasting Glory.Therepist say that homosexual tendencies can be traced back to certain incidents which occured in your childhood and thus if these can be identified you could be cured of this inclination.Have you considered consulting a Psychiatrist?

 

[KayJane]

I have the utmost respect for any chaste homosexual. The lifestyle you have chosen to live will benefit you most in the afterlife. May God bless you and give you the strength it takes to continue living in chastity. I know someone in a similar situation and he is an absolute joy to socialize with. I trust him immensely with my 2 year old daughter. He is wonderful with children, possibly because he will never be blessed with his own due to his sexual situation.

 

[antonabe]

I have the utmost respect for any chaste homosexual. The lifestyle you have chosen to live will benefit you most in the afterlife. May God bless you and give you the strength it takes to continue living in chastity. I know someone in a similar situation and he is an absolute joy to socialize with. I trust him immensely with my 2 year old daughter. He is wonderful with children, possibly because he will never be blessed with his own due to his sexual situation.

Welcome to the Forum.If a Homosexual indulges in sexual relations with his same sex partner or takes pleasure in immoral thoughts in terms of sex he ceases to be Chaste and commits Sin.We should pray for people in such situations and hope that God gives them the strength to get over these incinations.There are several of my friends who have been Homosexuals but have got over this state and are now happily married and have Children,Though many may not agree with me in my opinion homosexuality is only a temporary phase and it is not a genetic trait.It is acquired due to circumstance possibly certain events that took place in one’s youth.Even victims of paedophiels could eventually become homosexuals.Therapy is the answer if homosexuals acknowledge that it is a problem whcih want to eliminate from their lives

 

[Teteli]

To go back to an earlier point in the conversation - Torn, you said you couldn’t be honest with your co-workers because, as liberals, you worried that they would belittle you for being “repressed,” etc.?

I’ll be honest - I’m a non-Catholic (non-Christian, even) liberal who occasionally reads this board out of curiosity and a desire to understand different viewpoints. I have my own views regarding homosexuality which I’m sure none of you are interested in, so I won’t shove them in your faces. But it does qualify me to speak for the liberal, non-Catholic viewpoint here.

Torn, if someone I knew and respected told me that they were homosexual but living chastely for religious reasons… I might not agree with their decision, I might wish they’d choose differently, but I certainly wouldn’t give them grief about it. First of all, you have the right to believe what you believe. Second of all, as long as you’re not hurting other people - and your choices regarding your own love life or lack thereof do not hurt anyone - you have the right to live your life in accordance with your beliefs.

Very few people in this day and age would harass a nun or priest about choosing to live a celibate life in service of God. (And if they would, send 'em to me - my great-aunt converted to Catholicism in her teens and became a nun, and she was awesome.) What you’re doing is just as great a sacrifice - more, in my opinion, because it doesn’t come with automatic respect. Feel free to remind people of that if they feel like being jerks to you.

As for other homosexual folk thinking that you’re somehow “letting down the side” - yeah, that’ll happen, I won’t lie. The thing you need to remember - and remind them of - is that, just as it would be wrong for other people to tell them how to live their lives, it would be wrong for them to tell you how to live your life. Your choices are your own, and they have no claim on you just because you happen to prefer the same gender of sexual partners.

Bottom line - people who are truly liberal should have no problem with you, no matter what you choose to tell them. (I mean, within reason. If you have a basement full of murder victims or something, even liberals will have a slight issue there. But I digress.) People who claim to be liberal but are in fact just left-wing fundamentalists? Remind them that the underlying goal of the cause they claim to support is for everyone to be able to freely choose their own path in life. You have chosen yours. For them to oppose you, just because it’s not the path they want you to choose, is deeply hypocritical. It might not have an effect, but if you’re lucky it might force them to think. (Which is always a good thing no matter who you are.)

I do hope this helps. I don’t envy the position you’re in and I won’t pretend to understand why you chose it, but I applaud your courage and fortitude and wish you plenty of luck in dealing with silly people who will make your road even harder than it already is.

Edit: P.s. - not to mention that the basic concept behind the gay rights struggle is that what happens - or doesn’t happen - in someone’s bedroom is no one else’s business, so long as nothing non-consensual takes place. Which means that you do have a third option. Rather than either lying or giving full disclosure, you are ENTIRELY entitled to reply to pushy questions with some variation of “That is none of your business” or “I don’t like to discuss my personal life.” In fact I highly recommend that response, and for the record so does Miss Manners.

 

[qui_est_ce]

That’s only true to a limited extent and not a general rule. You would certainly say ‘ich bin klein’ (I am short) or ‘ich bin gross’ (I am fat) rather than using ‘ich habe’ (I have) for either of those.

Same in French - ‘je suis petite’ (I am short) ‘je suis blonde’ (I am blonde) ‘je suis femme’ (I am a woman) or ‘je suis Americain’ (I am American).

The point was to give some examples of how one shouldn’t define oneself by one’s sexual orientation.

 

[Cherry5]

To go back to an earlier point in the conversation - Torn, you said you couldn’t be honest with your co-workers because, as liberals, you worried that they would belittle you for being “repressed,” etc.?

I’ll be honest - I’m a non-Catholic (non-Christian, even) liberal who occasionally reads this board out of curiosity and a desire to understand different viewpoints. I have my own views regarding homosexuality which I’m sure none of you are interested in, so I won’t shove them in your faces. But it does qualify me to speak for the liberal, non-Catholic viewpoint here.

Torn, if someone I knew and respected told me that they were homosexual but living chastely for religious reasons… I might not agree with their decision, I might wish they’d choose differently, but I certainly wouldn’t give them grief about it. First of all, you have the right to believe what you believe. Second of all, as long as you’re not hurting other people - and your choices regarding your own love life or lack thereof do not hurt anyone - you have the right to live your life in accordance with your beliefs.

Very few people in this day and age would harass a nun or priest about choosing to live a celibate life in service of God. (And if they would, send 'em to me - my great-aunt converted to Catholicism in her teens and became a nun, and she was awesome.) What you’re doing is just as great a sacrifice - more, in my opinion, because it doesn’t come with automatic respect. Feel free to remind people of that if they feel like being jerks to you.

As for other homosexual folk thinking that you’re somehow “letting down the side” - yeah, that’ll happen, I won’t lie. The thing you need to remember - and remind them of - is that, just as it would be wrong for other people to tell them how to live their lives, it would be wrong for them to tell you how to live your life. Your choices are your own, and they have no claim on you just because you happen to prefer the same gender of sexual partners.

Bottom line - people who are truly liberal should have no problem with you, no matter what you choose to tell them. (I mean, within reason. If you have a basement full of murder victims or something, even liberals will have a slight issue there. But I digress.) People who claim to be liberal but are in fact just left-wing fundamentalists? Remind them that the underlying goal of the cause they claim to support is for everyone to be able to freely choose their own path in life. You have chosen yours. For them to oppose you, just because it’s not the path they want you to choose, is deeply hypocritical. It might not have an effect, but if you’re lucky it might force them to think. (Which is always a good thing no matter who you are.)

I do hope this helps. I don’t envy the position you’re in and I won’t pretend to understand why you chose it, but I applaud your courage and fortitude and wish you plenty of luck in dealing with silly people who will make your road even harder than it already is.

Edit: P.s. - not to mention that the basic concept behind the gay rights struggle is that what happens - or doesn’t happen - in someone’s bedroom is no one else’s business, so long as nothing non-consensual takes place. Which means that you do have a third option. Rather than either lying or giving full disclosure, you are ENTIRELY entitled to reply to pushy questions with some variation of “That is none of your business” or “I don’t like to discuss my personal life.” In fact I highly recommend that response, and for the record so does Miss Manners.

It is interesting reading your perspective, thank you. I would appreciate your opinion on the root cause of Homosexuality and if it can be cured by therapy or any other means.

I apologize if I sound naive.

 

[Tamsulosin]

My advise is that you definitely tell your parents.They may be or may not be shocked at first(although they may have already suspected) but parents love unconditionally. You need a safe port where to confide, and where you live your truth.You also know they will do the best for you(not go around gossiping, or labelling you, etc).
Ministring to children may not be a good idea, even if you enjoy it.At this moment ,our
church is at a critical stage,and although I am sure you are perfectly qualified,some people are up in arms.
Find physical sports where to participate and release some anxiety.
Have you tried hypnosis to confidentially explore how you came to feel as you feel?
Ask your psychologist if the data show it could help revert it, or help you.It may be worth a try.
By the way I like your day job as a writer, way to go!!!

 

[CallistusPM]

I don’t know about others but I have always felt very strongly that there is a thiird state in life. Not homosexual, not hetrosexual but a third state where sexuality is not a strong factor and, therefore, rarely needed to be supressed. I have known many individuals, some dear family members, who seldom or never dated and were just content to live their lives without a partner.
If more people realized this, Tom might live a hassel free life. One could only hope and pray.

 

[losh14]

First, please do not call it SSA, it’s an obnoxious euphemism.

Agreed.

To answer your question, I feel I have to lie when a friend or family member blatantly asks, “are you homosexual?” Any response other than to lie and say “no” would logically indicate that I was. Friends and family members knowing would cause significant problems in my relationships with them, and as a homosexual living chastely in accord with Church teaching, they are all I have.

I’m sorry that your friends and family would not be supportive of your living in chastity. Ultimately, whom you love and how is your business, and you have chosen chastity for reasons that are of paramount importance in serving the Lord.

Such an admission could in fact jeopardize my job and certainly my ministry work. For my job, I work in a very liberal industry (the literary industry) and have many liberal friends. Once I admit that I am a homosexual who lives chastely, I become instantly slathered with labels such as “repressed” and “self-loathing.”

How frustrating, and how inappropriate of them! I find it ironic that they would say “The best thing for you is to have a sexual relationship with another man!” though I have no doubt they would indeed say it. Legally, of course, you have recourse in such a situation. At the same time, while you are legally protected it doesn’t make for pleasant work to sue your company for discrimination, so let’s leave that one alone.

I think it’s better to try to avoid talk of sex at work - even something as innocent as asking about marriage or starting a family can lead to uncomfortable conversations.

Before I got married I had a pretty wild life but one day I was cut to the heart by my sins and gave up the lifestyle - for nearly five years I did not have sex, until I was married. I suppose your workmats would say I need to go out and find a nice girl and show her a good time, so to speak. A statement like that is morally repulsive to me as I’m sure it is to you, not to mention inappropriate for someone else to say to you.

My gay friends would view me as a traitor. Not that I mind the labels so much, but I do mind the loss of friendships with people I deeply care about, especially when friendships are the only meaningful relationships I am allowed. Beyond the friendships, I love my job. I enjoy what I do.

As a heterosexual, I can only empathize to the extent of also having gay friends and being very much a believer in the Catholic faith, but you have my empathy in trying to get across that you do not judge them. I love my gay friends as much as I do my straight ones, and I condemn my gay friends for bringing a boy home as much as I condemn my straight friends for bringing a girl home. It is hard to argue with “You hate me because I’m gay” but the only counter is “No, I love you, but I hate that you had sex and you aren’t married.”

Your life is a witness to Christ, let it be so. I too am involved in ministry at my church, have a job I love, friends dear to me, and I think it would endanger some of those relationships if I revealed how often I masturbate. That’s my struggle, and I share that struggle with people who help me. Likewise, I wonder if there is some group of gay Catholics with whom you can find encouragement and strength in your struggle.

As for ministry, Catholic parents do not want their children to be supervised by a known homosexual, whether he is chaste or not. There is such a vicious stigma attached to homosexuality, that only the most intelligent and understanding of people would be able to see past it, and those people are few among conservative Catholic parents.

You are absolutely right on this, and it is sad to see it. We still conflate homosexuality with pedophilia, though we laugh off pornography as “it harms no one” and dismiss auto-eroticism as a biological necessity. This is unfair. I’d rather have an open but chaste homosexual working with my kids than a guy who spends hours surfing one-handed. Your mind and heart are on the Lord - his mind is in the gutter and his heart is full of venom.

You have my friendship, Torn, and my support.

 

[Alfred_Hili]

There is surely nothing wrong in being a chaste, devout homosexual. We all stumble on our path; we all have impure thoughts or some other temptation. You are doing your best and God will reward you for it.

 

[Newbie2]

With regards to the above statment, it would be impossible for me to disagree with you any more than I do. I couldn’t help but notice in this example that you turned from your preference of the term “SSA” and went with “homosexual.” Why the change?

I find the terms, for the most part, interchangable. No particular reason.

A person’s sexuality is nobody’s business, period. The only time it would become someone’s business is if a person was using their sexuality inappropriately (against Catholic teaching) or using their own sexuality as a means of teaching error. Does a parent have a right to know if a youth minister has ever masturbated at home? Has used birth control? Has ever committed adultery? If a youth minister is teaching the Catholic faith correctly, their own, personal sexuality is nobody’s business.

OK, I’ve been avoiding the comparison of homosexuality and pedophilia, because I don’t believe that there is a cause-effect, and because the OP isn’t a pedophile…and please don’t get the idea that I claim that he is or that he has any such tendencies. However, you made the general statement, ‘A person’s sexuality is nobody’s business, period’. Is a pedophile’s sexuality “nobody’s business”?

The one area where I do agree with you is the possibility of letting a superior know. I go to spiritual direction to my pastor. He knows EVERYTHING about me (including my SSA). I’m not kept hidden from kids because of it, and I certainly don’t have to announce anything to parents. If a parent asked me if I was a homosexual I would answer in two parts: 1.) Why are you asking me that question? and 2.) I am a chaste, single, Catholic man, and I strive to live Catholic teaching. Any other questions?

And I think that is a perfectly good answer; here we are in complete agreement. However…(see next question)

What fallout? What in the world “time bomb” is eventually going to go off? Here we have an OP explaining his devotion to living Catholic teaching and a desire to minister. Why it has been recommended that he steer clear of youth ministry is beyond me.

I’m assuming that as a person with a SSA, you have no children of your own. I can see how you might find it difficult to see how this situaiton might be a “time bomb”, so I’ll elaborate:

What if there are parents who would have a hissy-fit over having a homosexual person (or a person with a SSA, take your pick of the terms) involved in the youth ministry? We don’t even have to ask that question, we know there are such parents in EVERY parish.

OK, fairly or unfairly, they are out there and they think this way, agreed?

So what happens if the word gets out and the superior (pastor, deacon, DRE, whomever) first finds out when he or she has to deal with a set of parents who go ballistic? Why weren’t we told about this, they’ll ask. What happens when those parents call the diocese and raise holy you-know-what with the bishop? What happens if the parents are so motivated to contact the local paper or TV or radio, all of which are salivating over a chance to skewer the Church over something like this?

Then what does the director do? Fire him? Then the homosexual activists and the media are all over the Church like white on rice. Keep him? Then a certain number of families in the parish will bolt, and rumors will spread like wildfire.

That is what I mean by a time bomb. Much better, methinks, to get it in the open as your situation.

Fairly or unfairly, people will think certain things about chaste homosexual/SSA people in certain ministries, and there will always, fairly or not be a perception that such people in certain ministries amounts a tacit approval of the behavior which, of course, they are not engaging in but in some people’s minds are likely to…and they don’t want their kids anywhere around someone like that.

My “time bomb” point is, if the OP’s situation gets out and there is even a whiff of it being kept secret, people will make certain assumptions, fairly or not, correct or not. That’s how scandal gets started.

 

[Teteli]

Cherry5 - you asked, I’ll answer.

If you’re wondering what I believe about homosexuality in a spiritual sense, that’s going to be a longer conversation which will probably have to happen privately, or at least in a different thread (as I don’t want to clutter up this nice man’s discussion with my dirty hippie pagan beliefs )

On a more “this world” note… I’m neither a psychologist nor a geneticist, so I’m not qualified to give any sort of authoritative answer. However, I find it interesting to note that homosexual behavior is not at all uncommon in the animal world. I’ve read theories that the frequency of it increases as a result of population pressure, as a way of decreasing the birth rate. If I were to come up with a quick and dirty theory, I’d say that the potential for same-sex attraction, and the strength of that potential, is something that’s genetically coded into us. I’d then go on to say that it can be triggered by various factors, both environmental and psychological.

All of which sounds like a lot of gobbledy-gook, I know, but I swear I’m not trying to dodge the question! It’s just that it’s a complex question, and one that I know I don’t have a sure answer for. It’s also not one that I’ve put a whole lot of thought into. The commonly accepted wisdom amongst the people I associate with is that your sexual orientation is something you’re born with, that it’s completely natural, and that it can’t be changed, and I suppose I believe that, but the more important question (as far as I’m concerned) is: does it matter? How would knowing the cause of homosexuality change anything? If it’s something you choose rather than something you’re born with, does that make it better? Worse? Why?

Similarly, I think the question of whether it can be “cured” is less important than whether it should be, and to me, the answer is no. I think that if being attracted to the same sex makes you unhappy and you wish not to act on that attraction, then sure, therapy can help. But what the therapy would be for in that case is not getting rid of the homosexuality, it would be helping you deal in a healthy way with the psychological consequences of acting counter to your own inclinations. But I don’t see homosexuality as something that requires curing. I don’t see it as being wrong. (For a slightly silly parallel, it’s as if someone asked me if my preference for black coffee over milky, or my distaste for bell peppers, could be “cured” by therapy. My response would be a thoroughly mystified “Well, maybe, but why would I want it to be?”)

I hope that was helpful and not just a lot of rambling! (And no, the question doesn’t sound naive, but it does highlight that we’re coming at this topic from VASTLY different backgrounds!)

 

[Diogenes1]

To all those who would condemn “homosexuals” …or lesbians or bisexuals or polysexuals
or transgenders, i.e., ANYONE with a different sex drive:
I would ask;

• Does “God” make mistakes ?
• If “God” created this person, did “God” screw up ?
• Does “God” have a plan ?
• If “God” created this person, then doesn’t it seem logical that, whatever sex drive this
  person is saddled with, was part of “God,s” plan ?
• If the creation of this person was part of “God,s” plan, who among us has the right to
  condemn them ?

 

[qui_est_ce]

To all those who would condemn “homosexuals” …or lesbians or bisexuals or polysexuals
or transgenders, i.e., ANYONE with a different sex drive:
I would ask;

• Does “God” make mistakes ?
• If “God” created this person, did “God” screw up ?
• Does “God” have a plan ?
• If “God” created this person, then doesn’t it seem logical that, whatever sex drive this
  person is saddled with, was part of “God,s” plan ?
• If the creation of this person was part of “God,s” plan, who among us has the right to
  condemn them ?

God does not make mistakes. He has a plan for every single person, deaf, blind, Down’s Syndrome, those born without limbs, those born without brains. It is beyond our puny little minds to understand some of the why’s of His plan.

God made me OSA, that doesn’t mean I should go around seeking out men.

Thirdly, nowwhere, NOWHERE on this thread has anybody condemned any one.

God bless