For police, the goal is vigilance, not vigilantes

[rlg94086]

Was there a seance I missed? Not a single witness, cop, attorney or ANYONE even suggested such a thing.

Yep…but I’m accused of “speculation.”

 

[rlg94086]

When the police arrived TM was dead. GZ Killed him.

Indeed. What does that have to do with the assigning of halos?

 

[adrift]

Yep…but I’m accused of “speculation.”

Its speculation when you state it, fact when they state it:juggle:

 

[Robert_Sock]

Perspective taking: Whats the other person’s perspective?

 

[rlg94086]

TM attacked GZ because he saw the gun.

Speculation.

Yes you can break the nose of a person
who might kill you with their gun and is a citizen trying to detain you.

Speculation.

Why else was GZ following TM on foot ?

To be able to let the police, whom he called, know where The suspicious fellow is.

To “catch” him of course.

Speculation.

GZ should learn that Neighborhood WATCH is named as such because it’s WATCH
not ACT and kill someone)

Speculation. No evidence that he did anything moe than follow…until he was defending himself.

If he had stayed in his car TM would not have seen his gun and had to defend himself.

Speculation.

 

[rlg94086]

Perspective taking: Whats the other person’s perspective?

Considering what we know about the case, the only way I can take Martin’s perspective is to assume he was innocently coming back from the store and noticed someone following him. From that perspective, I would have called the police and/or gotten my Dad…whose yard I was in, at one point.

In order to take that perspective, I’m not required to make wild speculations.

 

[adrift]

Perspective taking: Whats the other person’s perspective?

I already gave it to you. You dismissed it by calling it fiction without refuting any of the points which were based on both what TM said and did.

 

[GaryTaylor]

DeNiAL is probably one of the best known defense mechanisms, used often to describe situations in which people seem unable to face reality or admit an obvious truth (i.e. “He’s in denial.”). Denial is an outright refusal to admit or recognize that something has occurred or is currently occurring.

 

[Robert_Sock]

DeNiAL is probably one of the best known defense mechanisms, used often to describe situations in which people seem unable to face reality or admit an obvious truth (i.e. “He’s in denial.”). Denial is an outright refusal to admit or recognize that something has occurred or is currently occurring.

Rationalization is another defense mechanism.

Rationalization: With this defense we try to justify sinful impulses and the resulting sinful behavior to ourselves and others by using “common sense.” Here we are likely to argue that a particular sin is normal or good.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Right, and above this is done with established facts, those are ignored then speculation occurs at the unknown points. But it doesn’t change the established facts.

By listening to the thread you would think the whole world conspired with hell to single out TM. But in particular GZ should absorb all the victimization.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Denial and rationalization are brother and sisters.

 

[adrift]

Rationalization is another defense mechanism.

Rationalization: With this defense we try to justify sinful impulses and the resulting sinful behavior to ourselves and others by using “common sense.” Here we are likely to argue that a particular sin is normal or good.

Rationalization is a defense mechanism that involves explaining an unacceptable behavior or feeling in a rational or logical manner, avoiding the true reasons for the behavior

The unacceptable behavior of attacking another and justifying it because it is claimed we don’t know his perspective?

Denial and rationalization are brother and sisters.

:sad_yes:

 

[MaryT777]

DeNiAL is probably one of the best known defense mechanisms, used often to describe situations in which people seem unable to face reality or admit an obvious truth (i.e. “He’s in denial.”). Denial is an outright refusal to admit or recognize that something has occurred or is currently occurring.

This is a good point and I agree. DeNiaL is specialized perspective talking whereby all of Z’s prior bad acts are dismissed with rationalizations by viewing all situations through GZ glasses where he can “do no wrong”

GZ never really assaulted a police offcer
GZ never really assaulted a girlfriend.
You know how that goes, he said she said. He never trolled her around the neighborhood
etc.

 

[MaryT777]

The entire post is there not just snippets. I answered your post point by point which isn’t hard to follow.

It’s not hard to follow I agree on the initial post but if I want to respond back my quote doesn’t show up then, just yours.

 

[adrift]

It’s not hard to follow I agree on the initial post but if I want to respond back my quote doesn’t show up then, just yours.

You realize that is true of any post that is quoted? For instance this one, if you quote it the only thing that shows up is my answer.

 

[Robert_Sock]

For police, the goal is vigilance, not vigilantes

 

[GaryTaylor]

For police, the goal is vigilance, not vigilantes

And it never happened in the TM/GZ case. Nor is it anything thing you want to discuss.

You want to discuss what and angel TM is and what a villain GZ is. But only in your mind.

 

[GaryTaylor]

This is a good point and I agree…

Of course it is.

GZ never really assaulted a police offcer
GZ never really assaulted a girlfriend…

Sure I know how it goes

TM was a wanna be gangster depending on whom he was around
Photo with semi-auto
Smoked Pot. blah, blah, blah,

You see its like I said the victimization remains intact. And here we are but again,

 

[GaryTaylor]

As to the OP, you ignore the bad vigilance of the OP/FLA.

You agree with Stand your Ground.



Still waiting for you to make you point in relation to the OP in the above case.

Oh, wait you can’t.

 

[Robert_Sock]

And it never happened in the TM/GZ case. Nor is it anything thing you want to discuss.

You want to discuss what and angel TM is and what a villain GZ is. But only in your mind.

We’ve been trough this time and time again. I’ve already stated my opinions. Go back and reread them again.